Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

I've never seen an A State poster say what you said so I have to ask why you put words in other's mouth? If you can direct me to such a statement, I'll be glad to acknowledge my error.

The difference between USA and Ark State and some other schools is that neither of them is pimpin' for a bid. If one comes, they'll look at it and see if its the right fit.

The real problem is the 'prisoners dilemma' where there are a few schools that are very interested in leaving the Sun Belt, thus making the prospect of staying less strategic.

At any rate, that paper presented USA to CUSA as a strong possibility a while back. I just said.."sure...whatever". However, he might be correct that CUSA just doesn't do anything unless the Big XII moves and they get raided below 12.

It would be a lateral move at best, and cost valuable $$$ that none of us can spare.
I think long term, we're better off staying put....if no one else moves. (That's the key.)

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

You do realize this is a ODU blogger that is assuming we're interested....right?

(12-16-2014 10:59 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

You do realize this is a ODU blogger that is assuming we're interested....right?

He has been spot on last few seasons with this stuff, so I assume he has good sources...

(12-16-2014 11:09 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:59 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

You do realize this is a ODU blogger that is assuming we're interested....right?

He has been spot on last few seasons with this stuff, so I assume he has good sources...

As far as Georgia Southern is concerned I hope we stay in the SBC. Nothing wrong with CUSA but I think we can accomplish all of our goals in the SBC and have close rivals for travel purposes.

It's kind of interesting that Lousiana Lafayette was basically a footnote in that article.

(12-16-2014 11:09 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:59 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

You do realize this is a ODU blogger that is assuming we're interested....right?

He has been spot on last few seasons with this stuff, so I assume he has good sources...

Yes, but he never claimed any sources told him we are. It just says that we "are likely interested"

I've heard a lot of sites speculate us as a team "likely interested"

However, until someone can figure out how to make up the money we lose in the move in less than 8 years, our interest is probably no more than a Prisoners dilemma scenario.

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

From the Article: "Army, UMass or JMU would likley be in the East Division..."

Not necessarily. Navy asked to be in the Western Division of the AAC because that where military recruits come from.

(12-16-2014 11:16 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  It's kind of interesting that Lousiana Lafayette was basically a footnote in that article.

You'll notice the article spent more time talking about JMU and Liberty more than any other team?

That was very intentional. Its very clear what ODU prefers...

From an outside perspective, Ark St would be the ideal candidate for CUSA. I would say it would be more than a lateral move, but I would call it more a promotion to a little higher pay grade. I think CUSA would be wise to wait and see what unfolds with the B12. If they have to expand to get a CCG, then it will probably cause major G5 alignment.

(12-16-2014 11:42 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  From an outside perspective, Ark St would be the ideal candidate for CUSA. I would say it would be more than a lateral move, but I would call it more a promotion to a little higher pay grade. I think CUSA would be wise to wait and see what unfolds with the B12. If they have to expand to get a CCG, then it will probably cause major G5 alignment.

Yes, but the problem we have is perception. CUSA has no exposure in Arkansas whatsoever. We're isolated and pretty much have to recruit Alabama to overcome the lack of significant prospects in our area. We often don't recruit against many CUSA schools, but thanks to our proximity to Memphis, we run into AAC schools and lower tier P5 a lot.

We're not going to gain a significant recruiting advantage by moving, because we're not at a disadvantage right now. Unlike a ULL, we don't have recruits believing the SBC/CUSA gap is significant, because CUSA schools rarely enter Arkansas outside of La Tech, and our out of state recruiting is in a different base.

Moving for us becomes more about financials, are there significant donors sitting to the side offering the money we need to make up the costs associated with leaving the SBC? That and whether or not too many other rats will leave the S.S. Karl Benson become our primary concerns rather than recruiting and perception issues that many SBC schools face regularly.

(12-16-2014 11:42 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 11:16 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  It's kind of interesting that Lousiana Lafayette was basically a footnote in that article.

You'll notice the article spent more time talking about JMU and Liberty more than any other team?

That was very intentional. Its very clear what ODU prefers...

Yeah that was clear. It seemed like he mentioned TXST as a strong candidate and blew it off to talk more about JMU and Liberty. Can't blame him though, it is in ODU's best interest.

LIke others have said, this writer usually has good sources. This seems a little more like speculation but I always look to see what he is putting out.

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

Actually the article at no point states any interest from AState, it's just listed as school to be considered. Hope you didn't actually attend college with such awesome reading skills.

AState has never said it would turn down any conference. We have undertaken many millions in improvements that are under construction to make AState competitive with a list of schools that all happen to be in AAC.

AState isn't going to waste pimpin' out efforts on CUSA. Based on the current TV deal and entry fee it would take over four years for the cost of moving to be recovered (took UNT/FIU two years and MTSU/FAU three years because the latter two paid for early exit) but we wouldn't enter until the new TV deal which is so far a mystery.

CUSA calls, sure we'd probably accept just because the cost of not accepting is another Sun Belt raid.

CUSA ain't calling us. Our TV market is too small (just ahead of Bowling Green), we don't have a nearby market to claim influence in like Shreveport (where La.Tech merch is far more scare than it is in Little Rock), we don't have some other board running our school and dictating it's decisions, and we are so far from other schools in CUSA that we don't go head-to-head a lot in recruiting like the bigger market more attractive schools who will be picked.

(12-16-2014 12:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 11:42 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  From an outside perspective, Ark St would be the ideal candidate for CUSA. I would say it would be more than a lateral move, but I would call it more a promotion to a little higher pay grade. I think CUSA would be wise to wait and see what unfolds with the B12. If they have to expand to get a CCG, then it will probably cause major G5 alignment.

Yes, but the problem we have is perception. CUSA has no exposure in Arkansas whatsoever. We're isolated and pretty much have to recruit Alabama to overcome the lack of significant prospects in our area. We often don't recruit against many CUSA schools, but thanks to our proximity to Memphis, we run into AAC schools and lower tier P5 a lot.

We're not going to gain a significant recruiting advantage by moving, because we're not at a disadvantage right now. Unlike a ULL, we don't have recruits believing the SBC/CUSA gap is significant, because CUSA schools rarely enter Arkansas outside of La Tech, and our out of state recruiting is in a different base.

Moving for us becomes more about financials, are there significant donors sitting to the side offering the money we need to make up the costs associated with leaving the SBC? That and whether or not too many other rats will leave the S.S. Karl Benson become our primary concerns rather than recruiting and perception issues that many SBC schools face regularly.

You realize that we have about as many Arkansas kids on our roster as La.Tech has Louisiana kids? Nine of 22 starters are from Arkansas plus four of six starting specialists on special teams.

(12-16-2014 01:43 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 12:00 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 11:42 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  From an outside perspective, Ark St would be the ideal candidate for CUSA. I would say it would be more than a lateral move, but I would call it more a promotion to a little higher pay grade. I think CUSA would be wise to wait and see what unfolds with the B12. If they have to expand to get a CCG, then it will probably cause major G5 alignment.

Yes, but the problem we have is perception. CUSA has no exposure in Arkansas whatsoever. We're isolated and pretty much have to recruit Alabama to overcome the lack of significant prospects in our area. We often don't recruit against many CUSA schools, but thanks to our proximity to Memphis, we run into AAC schools and lower tier P5 a lot.

We're not going to gain a significant recruiting advantage by moving, because we're not at a disadvantage right now. Unlike a ULL, we don't have recruits believing the SBC/CUSA gap is significant, because CUSA schools rarely enter Arkansas outside of La Tech, and our out of state recruiting is in a different base.

Moving for us becomes more about financials, are there significant donors sitting to the side offering the money we need to make up the costs associated with leaving the SBC? That and whether or not too many other rats will leave the S.S. Karl Benson become our primary concerns rather than recruiting and perception issues that many SBC schools face regularly.

You realize that we have about as many Arkansas kids on our roster as La.Tech has Louisiana kids? Nine of 22 starters are from Arkansas plus four of six starting specialists on special teams.

I had never considered how many it was. It always seems like our classes include five or six Arkansas kids, but Malzahn had that one year where like half our class was instate, and a lot of those are starting now truthfully.

(12-16-2014 01:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

Actually the article at no point states any interest from AState, it's just listed as school to be considered. Hope you didn't actually attend college with such awesome reading skills.

AState has never said it would turn down any conference. We have undertaken many millions in improvements that are under construction to make AState competitive with a list of schools that all happen to be in AAC.

AState isn't going to waste pimpin' out efforts on CUSA. Based on the current TV deal and entry fee it would take over four years for the cost of moving to be recovered (took UNT/FIU two years and MTSU/FAU three years because the latter two paid for early exit) but we wouldn't enter until the new TV deal which is so far a mystery.

CUSA calls, sure we'd probably accept just because the cost of not accepting is another Sun Belt raid.

CUSA ain't calling us. Our TV market is too small (just ahead of Bowling Green), we don't have a nearby market to claim influence in like Shreveport (where La.Tech merch is far more scare than it is in Little Rock), we don't have some other board running our school and dictating it's decisions, and we are so far from other schools in CUSA that we don't go head-to-head a lot in recruiting like the bigger market more attractive schools who will be picked.

I don't believe CUSA is calling Troy either, for many of the same reasons. Honestly, with UAB gone, Troy needs to stick with South Alabama in the SunBelt for riavalry reasons. There really isn't a reason for Troy to go to CUSA. Unless the conference payout is much greater. Access to 2-3 close-by bowls is better in Sunbelt for both Troy and South Alabama. Bus league for most other sports. Troy doesn't fit CUSA demographics either (South Alabama more so).

South Alabama would probably be a prime candidate, but I belive USM will ultimatly object. If South Alabama does get the invite, you might not hear the loud objections from Troy about Jacksonville St.

Lousiana-Layfayette will probably stands the best bet for a call. If CUSA calls anyone. They seem most likely to accept as well. While they used to want to get away from Lousiana-Monroe...I just don't see it as often as I used to. I just don't know if I would want to trade a riavalry with Lousiana-Monroe for LaTech. Nevermind, they would in a heartbeat.

Our AD is an advocate publicly for the conference we are in. That us what the AD, coaches and all the way down to the fans should do. I have stated numerous times that I don't think it really matters which conference we are in as far as our goals are concerned.

Any decision on conference affiliation for ASU will be deliberate and based on what us best, not what is said in a public forum.

(12-16-2014 03:09 PM)YJason Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Looks like its going to be awhile before anyone is added....

To my surprise, Ark. St. is listed as a school likely interested...I thought the Arkansas St. decision makers who regularly post here said this would be a huge step down for Ark. St.....Also not good any interest from Arkansas St. as they are the voice of the Sun Belt


http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/football...am-league#

Actually the article at no point states any interest from AState, it's just listed as school to be considered. Hope you didn't actually attend college with such awesome reading skills.

AState has never said it would turn down any conference. We have undertaken many millions in improvements that are under construction to make AState competitive with a list of schools that all happen to be in AAC.

AState isn't going to waste pimpin' out efforts on CUSA. Based on the current TV deal and entry fee it would take over four years for the cost of moving to be recovered (took UNT/FIU two years and MTSU/FAU three years because the latter two paid for early exit) but we wouldn't enter until the new TV deal which is so far a mystery.

CUSA calls, sure we'd probably accept just because the cost of not accepting is another Sun Belt raid.

CUSA ain't calling us. Our TV market is too small (just ahead of Bowling Green), we don't have a nearby market to claim influence in like Shreveport (where La.Tech merch is far more scare than it is in Little Rock), we don't have some other board running our school and dictating it's decisions, and we are so far from other schools in CUSA that we don't go head-to-head a lot in recruiting like the bigger market more attractive schools who will be picked.

I don't believe CUSA is calling Troy either, for many of the same reasons. Honestly, with UAB gone, Troy needs to stick with South Alabama in the SunBelt for riavalry reasons. There really isn't a reason for Troy to go to CUSA. Unless the conference payout is much greater. Access to 2-3 close-by bowls is better in Sunbelt for both Troy and South Alabama. Bus league for most other sports. Troy doesn't fit CUSA demographics either (South Alabama more so).

South Alabama would probably be a prime candidate, but I belive USM will ultimatly object. If South Alabama does get the invite, you might not hear the loud objections from Troy about Jacksonville St.

Lousiana-Layfayette will probably stands the best bet for a call. If CUSA calls anyone. They seem most likely to accept as well. While they used to want to get away from Lousiana-Monroe...I just don't see it as often as I used to. I just don't know if I would want to trade a riavalry with Lousiana-Monroe for LaTech. Nevermind, they would in a heartbeat.

Of course. We have a much longer history of competition with La Tech than with anybody else. Its really not close.