(12-16-2014 05:28 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 05:13 PM)tigersroll Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:36 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:36 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  FWIW, espn is the only major service that has Dedric as a 4 star. Scout, Rivals and 247Sports all have him as a 5 star in the 2015 class.

Dedric will be our best player since Tyreke.

Assuming Austin and Shaq returns, where will Dedric play?

More importantly, assuming those two return and Burrell establishes himself as a legit three, where do KI, King and KJ all fit in?

Based on the substitution patterns all should get some minutes. Maybe at the same position.

This is just my evaluation (based on only a few observations) ...

I don't see the Lawsons being Josh's lifesaver. They're talented kids, but neither of them strike me as an impact player a la Tyreke Evans...to suggest so seems silly to me.

They seem more like Nick King type players. Neither is strong enough to play the 4 effectively and neither has the perimeter skills to excel at the 3 spot.

They both DO have the ability to get 15-18 mpg and get you 7 & 5, 8 & 4 something a long those lines...solid freshman numbers!

To compare them to a one-&-done, NBA ROY, and Top 10 recruit is, well, ridiculous. If you want that kind of player, we just lost him to UK

(12-17-2014 11:49 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:11 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:03 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:00 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:31 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Question is who has he gotten besides local kids that were coming here regardless of who the Coach was that are big recruits.. Serious question.. I can't think of anyone..


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Will Barton is the best example. Iverson was a highly rated guy, too.

That was what I was wondering because I've heard the Barton's were because of Cyprien..


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And some posters here said we'd never be any good until "Cyp's guys" all left lol

& Barton was 5 years ago...before the shine had worn off. Since Shaq, we haven't landed a McD AA player from outside of Memphis. That was 3 years ago. That's the beginning of a trend...

That may be true, but big deal. How many McD AAs did we sign that were not local before Cal? wait...let me answer that.

none. zero.

I expect Josh to sign half the local 4 star guys at least, and a top 100 guys from outside the city, maybe an occasional top 25. Expecting Josh to continually sign top 20 guys from outside the city is not realistic.

(12-17-2014 05:01 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  This is just my evaluation (based on only a few observations) ...

I don't see the Lawsons being Josh's lifesaver. They're talented kids, but neither of them strike me as an impact player a la Tyreke Evans...to suggest so seems silly to me.

They seem more like Nick King type players. Neither is strong enough to play the 4 effectively and neither has the perimeter skills to excel at the 3 spot.

They both DO have the ability to get 15-18 mpg and get you 7 & 5, 8 & 4 something a long those lines...solid freshman numbers!

To compare them to a one-&-done, NBA ROY, and Top 10 recruit is, well, ridiculous. If you want that kind of player, we just lost him to UK

You are way off on your assessment of the talent level of the Lawson's. Have you talked to a professional such as a scout or high level coach or NBA player about them? BTW, if you actually read the post I wrote it said SINCE Tyreke.

(12-17-2014 05:36 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:49 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:11 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:03 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 02:00 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  Will Barton is the best example. Iverson was a highly rated guy, too.

That was what I was wondering because I've heard the Barton's were because of Cyprien..


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And some posters here said we'd never be any good until "Cyp's guys" all left lol

& Barton was 5 years ago...before the shine had worn off. Since Shaq, we haven't landed a McD AA player from outside of Memphis. That was 3 years ago. That's the beginning of a trend...

That may be true, but big deal. How many McD AAs did we sign that were not local before Cal? wait...let me answer that.

none. zero.

I expect Josh to sign half the local 4 star guys at least, and a top 100 guys from outside the city, maybe an occasional top 25. Expecting Josh to continually sign top 20 guys from outside the city is not realistic.

I agree 100% ... that's what Memphis has always been minus Cal's final few years. We a re regressing back to the norm.

(12-18-2014 01:58 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 05:01 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  This is just my evaluation (based on only a few observations) ...

I don't see the Lawsons being Josh's lifesaver. They're talented kids, but neither of them strike me as an impact player a la Tyreke Evans...to suggest so seems silly to me.

They seem more like Nick King type players. Neither is strong enough to play the 4 effectively and neither has the perimeter skills to excel at the 3 spot.

They both DO have the ability to get 15-18 mpg and get you 7 & 5, 8 & 4 something a long those lines...solid freshman numbers!

To compare them to a one-&-done, NBA ROY, and Top 10 recruit is, well, ridiculous. If you want that kind of player, we just lost him to UK

You are way off on your assessment bob the talent level of the Lawson's. Have you talked to a professional such as a scout or high level coach or NBA player about them? BTW, if you actually read the post I wrote it said SINCE Tyreke.

Eh, I have eyes...I don't need to talk to them.

(12-16-2014 10:29 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 05:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 04:50 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:31 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:20 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/r...age/offers

Is this accurate? Did he offer all these guys and 2 of the 3 he got is because he hired their father?

Has this been typical or is this not so good?

Question is who has he gotten besides local kids that were coming here regardless of who the Coach was that are big recruits.. Serious question.. I can't think of anyone..


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Will Barton
Jelan Kendrick
Shaq Goodwin
Damien Wilson
Geron Johnson
Kuran Iverson
Pookie Powell
Dominic Woodson
Dominic Magee

All were 4 or 5 star recruits from outside of Memphis

A couple of those are outside the Top 100, so it's not like it should be hard to get those kids. Kendrick, Iverson, Woodson and Geron all had some sort of baggage (personal or academic) that made them an easier get. Barton was Cyp's get...plus Memphis was the only school to be willing to add his brother.

Shaq is the one high level recruit w/o any additional concerns that Memphis has gotten. Now, he was promised he could play football, too. I'm not sure if that was a deciding factor or not.

How was Barton Cyp's get if Josh was the only one willing to give his brother a scholarship too? Can't have it both ways.

Baggage or not, those are still 4 start players. With a roster of 4 start guys, we should be able to be competitive year in and year out. We have been until this year.

In my opinion, as much, if not more of the blame for our current mess should lay with the administration that hired a young first time coach, and then the other administration that gave him such a huge contract making it hard to get out of. And both for not demanding a staff of more than just recruiters and young coaches.

We knew what we were getting with Pastner and knew exactly where we were when we locked him into a contract that may be to expensive to break.

I have hope that he'll turn this season around to some extent and find a point guard for next year. I can stomach this season if that's the case.

Its not even having it both ways - its having it whatever way makes Coach look bad. Anything negative falls on the head coach (he's ultimately in charge, he's the one who recruited them, he has no identity for the team, he doesn't cuss, he's not hard enough on them, he's too strict, he subs too much, he leaves guys in too long, etc.), but anything positive was really someone else's doing. If we miss on a guy then it was Josh, but if we get someone then it was Cyp or Damon or whoever. If a player does poorly the Josh didn't develop him, but if he does well then he's a great player in spite of the coach. If a player gets outmuscled then the coach recruits weak players and is too nice, but if a player gets stronger then he put in the work to improve himself. If a player misses shots then its because of our offense or lack of offense, but if he makes them you never hear how the coaches had anything to do with it. Hell, if fans don't attend the games, its Josh's fault. But if we have a great crowd then its because we have great fans - Tiger Nation and all that.

(12-18-2014 12:12 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:29 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 05:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 04:50 PM)pkptigers07 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 01:31 PM)tigergg Wrote:  Question is who has he gotten besides local kids that were coming here regardless of who the Coach was that are big recruits.. Serious question.. I can't think of anyone..


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Will Barton
Jelan Kendrick
Shaq Goodwin
Damien Wilson
Geron Johnson
Kuran Iverson
Pookie Powell
Dominic Woodson
Dominic Magee

All were 4 or 5 star recruits from outside of Memphis

A couple of those are outside the Top 100, so it's not like it should be hard to get those kids. Kendrick, Iverson, Woodson and Geron all had some sort of baggage (personal or academic) that made them an easier get. Barton was Cyp's get...plus Memphis was the only school to be willing to add his brother.

Shaq is the one high level recruit w/o any additional concerns that Memphis has gotten. Now, he was promised he could play football, too. I'm not sure if that was a deciding factor or not.

How was Barton Cyp's get if Josh was the only one willing to give his brother a scholarship too? Can't have it both ways.

Baggage or not, those are still 4 start players. With a roster of 4 start guys, we should be able to be competitive year in and year out. We have been until this year.

In my opinion, as much, if not more of the blame for our current mess should lay with the administration that hired a young first time coach, and then the other administration that gave him such a huge contract making it hard to get out of. And both for not demanding a staff of more than just recruiters and young coaches.

We knew what we were getting with Pastner and knew exactly where we were when we locked him into a contract that may be to expensive to break.

I have hope that he'll turn this season around to some extent and find a point guard for next year. I can stomach this season if that's the case.

Its not even having it both ways - its having it whatever way makes Coach look bad. Anything negative falls on the head coach (he's ultimately in charge, he's the one who recruited them, he has no identity for the team, he doesn't cuss, he's not hard enough on them, he's too strict, he subs too much, he leaves guys in too long, etc.), but anything positive was really someone else's doing. If we miss on a guy then it was Josh, but if we get someone then it was Cyp or Damon or whoever. If a player does poorly the Josh didn't develop him, but if he does well then he's a great player in spite of the coach. If a player gets outmuscled then the coach recruits weak players and is too nice, but if a player gets stronger then he put in the work to improve himself. If a player misses shots then its because of our offense or lack of offense, but if he makes them you never hear how the coaches had anything to do with it. Hell, if fans don't attend the games, its Josh's fault. But if we have a great crowd then its because we have great fans - Tiger Nation and all that.

Damn.

This is one area I have seen the last couple of years, since really taking notice, that Coach Pastner has not pursued the Top 50 hardly. I don't know if Coach Pastner has not been recruiting the Top 20 since being HC, but I noticed the last couple of years, Memphis has not shown interest in them. You will see Kentucky, Duke, etc. all show interest in the Top 20. Is it the Tigers' budget or what that is the reason?

(12-16-2014 01:31 PM)tigergg Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:20 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/r...age/offers

Is this accurate? Did he offer all these guys and 2 of the 3 he got is because he hired their father?

Has this been typical or is this not so good?

Question is who has he gotten besides local kids that were coming here regardless of who the Coach was that are big recruits.. Serious question.. I can't think of anyone..


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and here I thought Memphis kids lead us to an NCAA runner up in 73, and a Final Four in 85...

Will Barton and Shaq...

Why don't you effers just adopt a new program, one where you will have nothing to biatch about. Ridiculous.

(12-18-2014 01:28 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Why don't you effers just adopt a new program, one where you will have nothing to biatch about. Ridiculous.

People "biatch" about the program because they care and they are concerned about the direction in which it is headed.

(12-18-2014 01:42 PM)RekeHavoc Wrote:  People "biatch" about the program because they care and they are concerned about the direction in which it is headed.

Is that why Cal mentioned the miserables so much? It's a constant thing here...

Agreed, but what would you rather have - the Forum full or empty?