(12-16-2014 05:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  You actually make my point anyway. "The point is that examples of Muslims speaking out agains terrorism are all over the place. All you have to do is look for them." Yeah...I have to go look for them. They are NOT consistent and loud in the mainstream.

What really matters is not whether they make loud proclamations, not whether they leverage these incidents to proselytize (I'd wager you will find a significant number of conversions out of the #illridewithyou hash-taggers), but whether mosques (1) loudly and consistently address this kind of nonsense, and (2) suppress bulletin board incitement at the same time. That is what is really most necessary to combat the lone wolf extremists (along with mosques working to identify those loons to authorities... so there needs to be mutual trust there). I don't know how much headway is really being made in those areas, but the number of westerners fleeing to join ISIS does not make it look like it's very successful.

(12-16-2014 11:24 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:06 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 10:02 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 08:50 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Islamic Statements Against Terrorism
Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid

Your cut and paste skills are indeed mighty, although your critical thinking skills are sorely lacking.

The entirety of your post is rendered pretty worthless when you quote the same person that (among other key terrorist figures) eloquently stated in a New York Times editorial why Islamic terrorism is such a key strategic asset to terrorist groups like HAMAS and (now dead) terrorists like Sheikh Ahmad Yassin, who was a key figure in justifying and encouraging terrorist attacks on civilians - (paraphrasing) "we (Muslims) love death while you (westerners) love life". That, key, central idea has been expressed by other major Islamist terrorist figures in justifying the slaughter of innocents - importantly, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. Their views on terrorism are what yield results like today's attack that killed 100 children in a purposeful, deliberate attack on a school in Pakistan. And, that's what you wish to identify with as the Religion of Peace.

Your point is duly made.

The point is that examples of Muslims speaking out against terrorism are all over the place. All you have to do is look for them. If you want to reject them, fine. That's probably not unreasonable, but don't pretend they don't exist.

That's not the point that you made.

I am well aware that there exist statements - some meek and obligatory, others not - but nearly all ineffectual. I don't need your horrendously misplaced post to be aware of them, but it does highlight the fact that many are highly disingenuous and that many people are duped by them and completely misunderstand their true aims.

I reject these hand wringing sycophants. Until I see REAL action from the Islamic world in this issue?...I have to consider them all potential enemies. Talk is not stopping any of this. Action is what is needed.

(12-16-2014 09:09 AM)VA49er Wrote:  As soon as you apologize for slavery maybe they will apologize for something they have no control over. Sounds foolish, doesn't it?

In light of the fact that stories like "ISIS issues guidelines for sex slavery - CBS News" have come out this very same week, I'm surprised that there weren't alarm bells going off inside your head saying "well, this post is going to sound pretty foolish"...

(12-16-2014 06:03 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 05:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  You actually make my point anyway. "The point is that examples of Muslims speaking out agains terrorism are all over the place. All you have to do is look for them." Yeah...I have to go look for them. They are NOT consistent and loud in the mainstream.

What really matters is not whether they make loud proclamations, not whether they leverage these incidents to proselytize (I'd wager you will find a significant number of conversions out of the #illridewithyou hash-taggers), but whether mosques (1) loudly and consistently address this kind of nonsense, and (2) suppress bulletin board incitement at the same time. That is what is really most necessary to combat the lone wolf extremists (along with mosques working to identify those loons to authorities... so there needs to be mutual trust there). I don't know how much headway is really being made in those areas, but the number of westerners fleeing to join ISIS does not make it look like it's very successful.

That is itself should signal that some of these Mosques are hot beds for these radical ideologies. NOTHING the Islamic community does in relation to this issue makes me trust it.

(12-16-2014 10:12 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

Quote:(Plainfield, IN 8/9/14) Today, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) denounces the terrorist group known as Islamic State of Iraq and Sham (ISIS) for its attacks on Iraq's religious minorities and the destruction of their places of worship.

"ISIS actions against religious minorities in Iraq violate the Quranic teaching, 'Let there be no compulsion in religion' (Surat al-Baqara 2:256) ," said ISNA President Imam Mohamed Magid. "Their actions are to be denounced and are in no way representative of what Islam actually teaches."

ISNA Denounces ISIS Attacks on Iraq's Religious Minorities

Denouncing seems to be about the sum total of their action. Sorry..but.. thats not good enough.

(12-16-2014 09:09 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 08:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  You folks might want to start denouncing the radicals of your religion soon...with a LOUD unified voice and stop with the excuse that you are afraid to speak up. I would suggest you do some digging into recent history and Google...Pastor Martin Neimoller and his warnings. "First they came for the Socialists....."

As soon as you apologize for slavery maybe they will apologize for something they have no control over. Sounds foolish, doesn't it?

Ever stop to think that many DO condemn such actions, but in languages other than english? The US media isn't exactly a bastion of news info in other languages.

This recent wacko in Austraila has been denounced by over 40 islamic organizations alone and ISIS has been denounced by many as well.

All in all, it's silly to expect people that have nothing to do with a subject to apologize for the actions of others. If they feel the need, find, but in no way should they feel compelled to.

We ended slavery. Terrorist thugs,murderers and rapists are in their midst using their faith as the basis for violence. They do nothing but talk. Even then...weakly.

If they're peaceful, they aren't followers of Islam.

(12-16-2014 06:36 PM)Paul M Wrote:  If they're peaceful, they aren't followers of Islam.

Im not as convinced of that as you...but...it is obvious as hell that a tipping point is coming. They better wake up and get more proactive.

I go back to my OP. Pastor Neimoller's poem should be a warning to them. History is already repeating it's self in Syria. ISIS is committing unspeakable atrocities against anyone that does not submit to their radical ideology,is a foreigner or is female. "First they came for the Socialists...." They are coming for you...Peaceful followers of Islam.