(12-17-2014 03:17 PM)KRB Wrote:  Is Nashville a hockey city?

My understanding is they aren't doing too bad. They've won recently, which helps. At the same time, I've read that Blackhawk games (unlike the best markets) would see lots of Chicago fans. So it might be solidly above average? They aren't St. Louis, but they aren't Atlanta either.

(12-17-2014 01:43 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:20 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 07:10 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 06:20 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 06:13 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  Yes, you have a point, and I understand why people in Memphis was upset. I never said they didn't have a reason. I was just pointing out that if Memphis wants to be taken serious as a sports town in the future, they can't do something like that. They just have to dig deeper and keep trying and keep proving themselves.

Yea, I remember our real effort for the two expansions and getting shafted. And, if I remember correctly, the "Sold Out" Season Tickets were only commitments, NOT actual purchases. It was impressive to sellout like we did. But, I think the NFL would have liked a more financial commitment. I believe that is when Memphis updated the stadium to try to be up to NFL standards at the time. That was a good start, but to fill the stadium, even if it was not a Memphis team would have made a great impression.

The preseason games during these expansion efforts did not sell out. Sure, everyone understood why Memphis was disgruntled. But, the NFL does not care about how the town felt. If Memphis wanted a team, they had to fill up the stadium during exhibition games. And, when the Oilers were temporarily here, Memphis could have filled up the stadium. This would have showed the NFL, even if they shafted Memphis a couple of times, Memphis was still serious and ready for a team.

And, that is why I pointed out why OKC got an NBA team even though their market is very small. OKC hosted the New Orleans team while they were homeless. And, OKC filled up the place while the New Orleans team was around. These were actual ticket purchases and not just a pledge to buy season tickets with a small down payment like Memphis did during both bids for expansion. OKC showed real love and real money to the NBA, and got rewarded.

The NFL is a business and not a charity case and don't care about your feelings. As cold as that may sound, that is how they operate. I don't like it, but that is how it is.

I am not trying to disagree with your points. But, my point is, in the future, whether it is the NFL, MLB, NHL, Big Ten, SEC, etc., we need to show the world that Memphis will not take any setback personally. But, we will just keep moving on and succeed, when no one else will think we can. I think that is a reason why Memphis might not be considered for SEC or Big Ten, based on how we reacted to NFL or other interests. I am guessing, but it does not help our case to join one of the Big 5.

I get your point, but since the Grizz have added an additional element to the local sports scene, we've seen Memphis climb in the "best sports towns" rankings.

Grizzlies are playing well, and people are coming out. I am glad. I hope the place still fills up if Grizzlies start to not win as much. I would love to have more than just an NBA team in Memphis.

Memphis would have got a team had it had a start of the art stadium. None of that other stuff means jack squat. We committed to build an arena for the Grizz and that's why they are here. And as for going to games when the team is bad....most cities don't either. Ever see a Hawks or Braves crowd? Seen a Titans crowd lately? The only cities that support their teams when they are forever losers are the idiot Cubs and Browns fans. And the Browns STILL lost their original franchise!!

Jacksonville didn't build a brad new stadium, they renovated the Gator Bowl.

Memphis was promised the next team after Seattle and Tampa were added as mentioned above.

The NFL was biased against Memphis. Would have drawn just as well as Nashville is now.

During that last expansion race, both Jacksonville and Charlotte said no to a new stadium.

In fact, Charlotte held a referendum to publicly finance a stadium and it was defeated. After that:

Quote:On June 3, Richardson Sports revealed its impressive plan to privately finance a 72,300-seat stadium from the sale of Permanent Seat Licenses, club seats and luxury boxes, beginning on July 1. A remarkable 15,000 pieces of mail from first-day orders were collected. By the end of the first day, all 8,314 club seats sold out and all 104 luxury suites were reserved and ultimately leased. First-day PSL orders totaled 41,632.

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 01:43 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:20 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 07:10 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 06:20 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I get your point, but since the Grizz have added an additional element to the local sports scene, we've seen Memphis climb in the "best sports towns" rankings.

Grizzlies are playing well, and people are coming out. I am glad. I hope the place still fills up if Grizzlies start to not win as much. I would love to have more than just an NBA team in Memphis.

Memphis would have got a team had it had a start of the art stadium. None of that other stuff means jack squat. We committed to build an arena for the Grizz and that's why they are here. And as for going to games when the team is bad....most cities don't either. Ever see a Hawks or Braves crowd? Seen a Titans crowd lately? The only cities that support their teams when they are forever losers are the idiot Cubs and Browns fans. And the Browns STILL lost their original franchise!!

Jacksonville didn't build a brad new stadium, they renovated the Gator Bowl.

Memphis was promised the next team after Seattle and Tampa were added as mentioned above.

The NFL was biased against Memphis. Would have drawn just as well as Nashville is now.

During that last expansion race, both Jacksonville and Charlotte said no to a new stadium.

In fact, Charlotte held a referendum to publicly finance a stadium and it was defeated. After that:

Quote:On June 3, Richardson Sports revealed its impressive plan to privately finance a 72,300-seat stadium from the sale of Permanent Seat Licenses, club seats and luxury boxes, beginning on July 1. A remarkable 15,000 pieces of mail from first-day orders were collected. By the end of the first day, all 8,314 club seats sold out and all 104 luxury suites were reserved and ultimately leased. First-day PSL orders totaled 41,632.

Memphis didn't have a new stadium plan in place. The other four did. Including charlotte and Jacksonville. Charlotte was selling personal seat licenses three years before they got the team. All the other cities got teams.

If we build a new stadium, Memphis gets the Jax expansion team and Bud Adams takes his team to Jacksonville.

Billy Dunavant probably sells the team to Fred Smith at some point.

(12-17-2014 03:17 PM)KRB Wrote:  Is Nashville a hockey city?

Strangely, yes. They have been developing it and they did a great job. The Preds have a strong core base even during bad years. It just happens that we are very good this year. The Preds are like the Grizzlies of hockey. Playoff hockey is insane too.

The Grizzlies are pretty big too. People really hop on board during the playoffs.

(12-17-2014 04:21 PM)kabluey Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 03:17 PM)KRB Wrote:  Is Nashville a hockey city?

My understanding is they aren't doing too bad. They've won recently, which helps. At the same time, I've read that Blackhawk games (unlike the best markets) would see lots of Chicago fans. So it might be solidly above average? They aren't St. Louis, but they aren't Atlanta either.

More like St. Louis. Are biggest rivals are Chicago and Detroit (tons of transplants), and they are the teams that send tons of people. It's cheaper to see their team in Nashville, even with flight, then to see at home.

My point is that winning creates everything.

(12-17-2014 07:49 PM)KRB Wrote:  My point is that winning creates everything.

True for the most part but they do well in bad years too. Nashville is full of transplants that work in the automobile industry and this started in the early 90's and has continued.

(12-17-2014 07:49 PM)KRB Wrote:  My point is that winning creates everything.

that Nashville team is really ****** in person.

Sellout and attendance are two different things. Businesses usually buy blocks, and this helps with sellouts. When you go to these sellouts, usually there are still plenty of seats empty. Block ticket sales are how these teams sellout, they usually give these people a discount.

Can someone show me what the actual attendance was during the Memphis-NFL Exhibition games? I tried looking for it, but was unsuccessful. I have seen a couple refer to the sellout.

(12-17-2014 06:44 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 04:48 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 01:43 PM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 11:20 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 07:10 PM)rc0213 Wrote:  Grizzlies are playing well, and people are coming out. I am glad. I hope the place still fills up if Grizzlies start to not win as much. I would love to have more than just an NBA team in Memphis.

Memphis would have got a team had it had a start of the art stadium. None of that other stuff means jack squat. We committed to build an arena for the Grizz and that's why they are here. And as for going to games when the team is bad....most cities don't either. Ever see a Hawks or Braves crowd? Seen a Titans crowd lately? The only cities that support their teams when they are forever losers are the idiot Cubs and Browns fans. And the Browns STILL lost their original franchise!!

Jacksonville didn't build a brad new stadium, they renovated the Gator Bowl.

Memphis was promised the next team after Seattle and Tampa were added as mentioned above.

The NFL was biased against Memphis. Would have drawn just as well as Nashville is now.

During that last expansion race, both Jacksonville and Charlotte said no to a new stadium.

In fact, Charlotte held a referendum to publicly finance a stadium and it was defeated. After that:

Quote:On June 3, Richardson Sports revealed its impressive plan to privately finance a 72,300-seat stadium from the sale of Permanent Seat Licenses, club seats and luxury boxes, beginning on July 1. A remarkable 15,000 pieces of mail from first-day orders were collected. By the end of the first day, all 8,314 club seats sold out and all 104 luxury suites were reserved and ultimately leased. First-day PSL orders totaled 41,632.

Memphis didn't have a new stadium plan in place. The other four did. Including charlotte and Jacksonville. Charlotte was selling personal seat licenses three years before they got the team. All the other cities got teams.

If we build a new stadium, Memphis gets the Jax expansion team and Bud Adams takes his team to Jacksonville.

Billy Dunavant probably sells the team to Fred Smith at some point.

this is 100% (or at least 99%) accurate

F the Titans.

WOW!