(12-14-2014 01:35 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 06:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 06:28 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 06:24 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Surprised to see someone take that big a pay cut.

He'll make it up when Da Bears land in the Belt ....

Great, just what we need, another transition team that doesn't understand the game of football.

Wouldn't be any worse than Georgia State. Basketball and baseball would more than make up for it.

I know no one other than us nerds cares, but we have the makings of an excellent baseball conference.

Gotta agree with this - I think we have a top 5 baseball conference on our hands coming up this season.

(12-13-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 04:22 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 04:19 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  I wonder how much he will make? St. Louis Post-Dispatch said he makes 600K at Mizzou and is expected to take a big pay cut.

Probably 200k I would say.

Surprised to see someone take that big a pay cut.

Sometimes you have to take a step back to go two steps forward.

(12-13-2014 05:43 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 04:22 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(12-13-2014 04:19 PM)stAteNation Wrote:  I wonder how much he will make? St. Louis Post-Dispatch said he makes 600K at Mizzou and is expected to take a big pay cut.

Probably 200k I would say.

Surprised to see someone take that big a pay cut.

It'll be more than 200k...

I also know some MAJOR back door fundraising was occurring to raise the salaries of the assistants.

This is a BIG time hire.

Again, Missouri State isn't making this hire if they aren't at least thinking of moving football to FBS at some point down the road. Nor do I believe that an SEC DC would take this sort of a pay cut without some guarantees.

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

One: History with Western Division SBC Schools

Two: Strong basketball program that has struggled to adapt to Wichita State, but otherwise would be instantly competitive in the SBC.

Three: New facilities for baseball and basketball that are instantly on par or ahead of every SBC school.

Four: Second FBS school in a state. Not a load of FBS teams nearby that they have to share everything with. They already dip into Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas pretty regularly for recruits.

Five: Gets the SBC noticed in major Missouri Markets.

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

To be completely fair...Top 4 in the Belt is incredibly average right now.

They'd instantly challenge Georgia State and The Cajuns for the best in the league.

I started this thing weeks ago where I watch head coaching press conferences to see how they compare to what I've seen out of ASU over the years. Missouri State's is on now. Got to watch Brown at Troy, and Chad Morris at SMU already.

Missouri State Basketball last 10 years.

YEAR-KENPOM #-SBC KP Rank
2005-69-2nd
2006-39-1st
2007-45-1st
2008-89-3rd
2009-204-8th
2010-72-1st
2011-71-1st
2012-100-3rd
2013-200-6th
2014-154-3rd

As I suspected - Missouri State would be a great addition for Sun Belt hoops. Would have been top 3 program in Sun Belt 8 of last 10 years.

I bet they'd lead in attendance too, only WKU might have have averaged more.

(12-14-2014 06:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

To be completely fair...Top 4 in the Belt is incredibly average right now.

They'd instantly challenge Georgia State and The Cajuns for the best in the league.

Average is half of 351 - or 175. Top of Sun Belt is generally higher than that. But I made my point with information and you just continue to spew nonsense.

(12-14-2014 06:26 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

To be completely fair...Top 4 in the Belt is incredibly average right now.

They'd instantly challenge Georgia State and The Cajuns for the best in the league.

Average is half of 351 - or 175. Top of Sun Belt is generally higher than that. But I made my point with information and you just continue to spew nonsense.

The Top two in the Sun Belt are generally higher than that. You quoted top 4. The argument would be that UALR would represent right around the 4th best team in the Belt in a given year, and the Trojans have been incredibly average the last few years. So much so they want Steve Shields head.

Bears are 30 minutes late with their press conference currently. Tsk Tsk.

(12-14-2014 06:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:26 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

To be completely fair...Top 4 in the Belt is incredibly average right now.

They'd instantly challenge Georgia State and The Cajuns for the best in the league.

Average is half of 351 - or 175. Top of Sun Belt is generally higher than that. But I made my point with information and you just continue to spew nonsense.

The Top two in the Sun Belt are generally higher than that. You quoted top 4. The argument would be that UALR would represent right around the 4th best team in the Belt in a given year, and the Trojans have been incredibly average the last few years. So much so they want Steve Shields head.

You are helping make the point that Missouri State would be a great basketball addition to the Sun Belt. I don't need your help on that.

Missouri State coach will make 270K per year. 50K increase in assistants budget, with a commitment to increase that further in the next couple years.

That should make them much more competitive at the FCS level.

Congrats to Missouri State on perhaps the strangest head coach presser I had ever seen.

"When did you decide to take this job" "About 15 minutes ago"

"Will you call plays on the defense" "Defense how competent my Defensive Coordinator is"

"At 270K per year, can you comment on the commitment they are making for you" "How did you find that information" "Open Records" "Of Course, Open Records" "Let me tell you something, I don't discuss salary with anyone, if this was about money I would still beat Mizzou." "I am being compensated with what I think is fair, but I don't care about the money, I just care about coaching football."

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

They are 47-51 over the last three seasons. They haven't made the tournament since 1999. They are 5-3 this season with two wins over D2 schools and their best win is Eastern Illinois, currently ranked at #223 RPI. They are average.

Missouri State is in a very good basketball conference and a very good FCS conference. They need to see if the new head coach can turn the football program around and win at the FCS level. They are in the middle of the pack in MVC basketball. They need to start winning again in basketball. They need to get football and basketball back to where they want it to be and then think about the possibility of spending millions of dollars for the journey to FBS and the Sun Belt.

(12-14-2014 07:04 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

They are 47-51 over the last three seasons. They haven't made the tournament since 1999. They are 5-3 this season with two wins over D2 schools and their best win is Eastern Illinois, currently ranked at #223 RPI. They are average.

Missouri State is in a very good basketball conference and a very good FCS conference. They need to see if the new head coach can turn the football program around and win at the FCS level. They are in the middle of the pack in MVC basketball. They need to start winning again in basketball. They need to get football and basketball back to where they want it to be and then think about the possibility of spending millions of dollars for the journey to FBS and the Sun Belt.

Their recent performance hasn't been as good - but they averaged 5,217 last year - good enough for 98th in the nation. They are an above average basketball program still and would be an asset to Sun Belt Basketball.

If they continue recent trends then they will have done much worse than they typically have. But to think they are on par with terrible Sun Belt basketball isn't facing reality.

(12-14-2014 07:11 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 07:04 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

They are 47-51 over the last three seasons. They haven't made the tournament since 1999. They are 5-3 this season with two wins over D2 schools and their best win is Eastern Illinois, currently ranked at #223 RPI. They are average.

Missouri State is in a very good basketball conference and a very good FCS conference. They need to see if the new head coach can turn the football program around and win at the FCS level. They are in the middle of the pack in MVC basketball. They need to start winning again in basketball. They need to get football and basketball back to where they want it to be and then think about the possibility of spending millions of dollars for the journey to FBS and the Sun Belt.

Their recent performance hasn't been as good - but they averaged 5,217 last year - good enough for 98th in the nation. They are an above average basketball program still and would be an asset to Sun Belt Basketball.

If they continue recent trends then they will have done much worse than they typically have. But to think they are on par with terrible Sun Belt basketball isn't facing reality.

Our recent 5-10 years have been our worse in school history. But with a new president, that's incredibly supportive of Athletics, that will change. We just doubled our coaches salary. We just completed an incredible athletics facilities overhaul.

Good times are ahead for Missouri State. It's just a matter of time.

(12-14-2014 07:11 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 07:04 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 06:10 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 01:50 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  Yep, Missouri State seems like a no brainer. Only one FBS school in Missouri, basketball and baseball are solid with top notch facilities. We need to get stronger in basketball. They can focus on building their football program. If they do that is great and if they don't then it is an easier path for someone to run the table and get an access bowl like Marshall nearly did without beating any strong teams.

Add nmsu full member and MSU and be done.

Why is Missouri State a no-brainer in football? Their basketball is average. The state of Missouri does not produce much FBS talent. They don't bring a big market. Their football program is struggling at the FCS level. They have never seemed interested in moving up. So why?

Basketball is average? I bet they would place top 4 in the Sun Belt for most of the last 10 years. I shall check Pomeroy and return with my findings.

They are 47-51 over the last three seasons. They haven't made the tournament since 1999. They are 5-3 this season with two wins over D2 schools and their best win is Eastern Illinois, currently ranked at #223 RPI. They are average.

Missouri State is in a very good basketball conference and a very good FCS conference. They need to see if the new head coach can turn the football program around and win at the FCS level. They are in the middle of the pack in MVC basketball. They need to start winning again in basketball. They need to get football and basketball back to where they want it to be and then think about the possibility of spending millions of dollars for the journey to FBS and the Sun Belt.

Their recent performance hasn't been as good - but they averaged 5,217 last year - good enough for 98th in the nation. They are an above average basketball program still and would be an asset to Sun Belt Basketball.

If they continue recent trends then they will have done much worse than they typically have. But to think they are on par with terrible Sun Belt basketball isn't facing reality.

If we want to add a program from the MVC that will be an asset in both Sun Belt Basketball and Football, then look at Northern Iowa. In basketball, they have 11 consecutive winning seasons and 5 NCAA tournament appearances in that span. They are 9-1 this season and currently at #26 RPI.

In football, they have made the FCS playoffs 10 of the last 20 seasons, including this season. Missouri State has not been to the playoffs since 1990.

I don't want to bring a school over to the Sun Belt because they are an average team in a very good basketball league and in the Sun Belt would be an above average basketball team in a bad basketball conference. I would rather bring in a team like Northern Iowa, that is already a good team in a very good league in basketball and a good football school in a very good FCS football conference.