(12-12-2014 12:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 12:11 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  That's why you need the 'Alien' modifier. They aren't illegal people... they are aliens, here illegally... which differentiates them from aliens, here legally... like students.

Like it or not, Alien has been used for decades in numerous countries to describe someone who isn't a citizen.

The term immigrant implies that they want to live here, but that isn't always the case, A significant number of them are males who come here to work and send money home to their families... In Europe, they're often referred to as Gypsies or Travelers. They work in foreign countries for months, and come home to their families once or twice a year.

Well said. My mom took pride in telling people she was a legal alien until she became a citizen.

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Conservatives love legal aliens.

(12-12-2014 06:12 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 12:33 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 12:11 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  That's why you need the 'Alien' modifier. They aren't illegal people... they are aliens, here illegally... which differentiates them from aliens, here legally... like students.

Like it or not, Alien has been used for decades in numerous countries to describe someone who isn't a citizen.

The term immigrant implies that they want to live here, but that isn't always the case, A significant number of them are males who come here to work and send money home to their families... In Europe, they're often referred to as Gypsies or Travelers. They work in foreign countries for months, and come home to their families once or twice a year.

Well said. My mom took pride in telling people she was a legal alien until she became a citizen.

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Conservatives love legal aliens.

In particular ones with masters and PhD degrees in STEM areas.

(12-11-2014 11:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  How about the term "illegals " as if their entire existence is now invalid simply because they crossed a border.

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No, it's because they broke the law.

(12-11-2014 11:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They committed an illegal act. It doesn't make them illegal people.

C'mon man, are you serious? If they came to America illegally, they're illegal as long as they're in America unless they get papers showing otherwise. Don't be so obtuse.

You're "pro-choice?" No, you are pro-abortion.

(12-12-2014 09:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They committed an illegal act. It doesn't make them illegal people.

C'mon man, are you serious? If they came to America illegally, they're illegal as long as they're in America unless they get papers showing otherwise. Don't be so obtuse.

So if your car inspection is over due. Are you an illegal until you fix it?

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Pro-abortion sounds so grisly. But it's an accurate description in many cases.

(12-12-2014 09:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 09:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They committed an illegal act. It doesn't make them illegal people.

C'mon man, are you serious? If they came to America illegally, they're illegal as long as they're in America unless they get papers showing otherwise. Don't be so obtuse.

So if your car inspection is over due. Are you an illegal until you fix it?

If you think about killing someone, are you guilty of premeditated murder until you stop thinking about it?

And no, Fitbud, you get a $100 ticket if you get caught.

spy morphing into libertarian is the one that gets me to chuckle.

I am 1000000% Pro Choice. It's not pro death. It's pro "I don't know the best decision for someone else is". "CHOICE" This is the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION any family can make. You think we have neglected kids now? Let pro lifers get their way. Think we have crime problems now? Let pro lifers get their way. Nothing in my mind can be more damaging than putting millions of kids on the street to parents that can't afford them.

(12-12-2014 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am 1000000% Pro Choice. It's not pro death. It's pro "I don't know the best decision for someone else is". "CHOICE" This is the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION any family can make. You think we have neglected kids now? Let pro lifers get their way. Think we have crime problems now? Let pro lifers get their way. Nothing in my mind can be more damaging than putting millions of kids on the street to parents that can't afford them.

I am not talking about the end result. I am referencing how the current definition of "pro-choice" is not an accurate definition of someone who supports abortion.

(This coming from someone who is mostly pro-abortion choice myself.)

?????

You'v lost me. Pro Choice means exactly what it states.


In my humble opinion.

(12-12-2014 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am 1000000% Pro Choice. It's not pro death. It's pro "I don't know the best decision for someone else is". "CHOICE" This is the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION any family can make. You think we have neglected kids now? Let pro lifers get their way. Think we have crime problems now? Let pro lifers get their way. Nothing in my mind can be more damaging than putting millions of kids on the street to parents that can't afford them.

A good one-

Eugenics = Pro-choice.

Sometimes stating and facing the reality can be a bit harsh.

(12-12-2014 10:45 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  ?????

You'v lost me. Pro Choice means exactly what it states.


In my humble opinion.

Yes, you are right. "Pro-choice" in modern America doesn't mean pro-choice to have a cheeseburger instead of a hamburger. Which I find interesting because a noun is supposed to be a general identifier of a person, place or thing.

I imagine you and I are talking a bit in circles here, but I am only marveling at how the definition of a rather non-denomination noun like "choice" is now the generally recognized noun of "abortion." I am marveling at this in a thread about how language has been corrupted and definitions are being re-arranged, many times on on PC-esque lines.

Pro-choice has been defined clearly as "being in support of a women's right to choose to have an abortion" when the more accurate description would be that supporters are pro-abortion. While I am the first to admit I don't follow either side very closely, I don't remember ever hearing a someone being referred to as "pro-abortion" in modern coverage.

Just like people who do not believe in abortion should probably be more clearly labeled as anti-abortion, which many times they are in print, media and in self-identification.

(12-12-2014 09:59 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 09:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 09:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They committed an illegal act. It doesn't make them illegal people.

C'mon man, are you serious? If they came to America illegally, they're illegal as long as they're in America unless they get papers showing otherwise. Don't be so obtuse.

So if your car inspection is over due. Are you an illegal until you fix it?

If you think about killing someone, are you guilty of premeditated murder until you stop thinking about it?

Excellent point. So if you really haven't been convicted of committing any criminal act, are you in fact "illegal"?

Innocent until proven guilty right?

Thanks for proving my point for me.

I will use this line of questioning from now on.

(12-12-2014 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am 1000000% Pro Choice. It's not pro death. It's pro "I don't know the best decision for someone else is". "CHOICE" This is the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION any family can make. You think we have neglected kids now? Let pro lifers get their way. Think we have crime problems now? Let pro lifers get their way. Nothing in my mind can be more damaging than putting millions of kids on the street to parents that can't afford them.

Circa 1860:

I personally don't like slavery, but I don't want to judge a man that has slaves and I don't want to support a law that restricts his choice.

So, I've just read the dumbest **** I think I have read on here in a while.

Illegals, 'illegal aliens,' are not comparable to other criminals because they are not citizens and congress uses its plenary power to set the laws. They exist outside the legal system, because congress says they do. The Courts almost never intervene because choosing who comes into the country is a characteristic of any sovereign nation.

They are criminals; they are illegal.

(12-12-2014 11:24 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 09:59 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 09:56 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 09:18 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:42 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  They committed an illegal act. It doesn't make them illegal people.

C'mon man, are you serious? If they came to America illegally, they're illegal as long as they're in America unless they get papers showing otherwise. Don't be so obtuse.

So if your car inspection is over due. Are you an illegal until you fix it?

If you think about killing someone, are you guilty of premeditated murder until you stop thinking about it?

Excellent point. So if you really haven't been convicted of committing any criminal act, are you in fact "illegal"?

Innocent until proven guilty right?

Thanks for proving my point for me.

I will use this line of questioning from now on.

You missed the part where you're illegal if your inspection sticker is expired. And it's punishable with a $100 ticket. You're illegal until you get a the proper sticker. But use your line anyways.

(12-12-2014 10:22 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I am 1000000% Pro Choice. It's not pro death. It's pro "I don't know the best decision for someone else is". "CHOICE" This is the MOST IMPORTANT DECISION any family can make. You think we have neglected kids now? Let pro lifers get their way. Think we have crime problems now? Let pro lifers get their way. Nothing in my mind can be more damaging than putting millions of kids on the street to parents that can't afford them.

I guess I don't understand what's so damn hard about not spreading your legs and going deep base with some dude if you're not ready to take responsibility for possible consequences. The only exception is rape.

Then again, I'm a Conservative so I always have to think like a responsible adult and expect the same from everyone else.