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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
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4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 02:37 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Source:

4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out

Interesting
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 01:22 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Yeah but what does Texas want?

New Visionary plan.... Kick out the Longhorns and anyone who is not committed to making a unified Big XII then offer a G5 member a golden ticket as long as they promise to play nice.
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 02:37 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Source:

4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out


That is certainly outside the box. Would the remnants of the MWC and AAC merge, or would the MWC eat the West C-USA/SBC teams and AAC eat the East?
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 02:37 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Source:

4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out

Curious--
Why put Rice in Group C when Tech would be better geographic fit?
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 01:31 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  I do agree the league needs a long term plan, but sometimes not acting is part of being visionary.

If the "pressure" to go to 12 or 14 is for the title game, that's fool's gold.

If Mizzou or Arizona had pulled off upsets the stories would have been how much smarter the Big XII was. By my numbers the higher ranked team in a power conference title game wins right at 70% of the time.

Statistically speaking, one of Ohio State, Oregon, Alabama, Florida State would have been expected to lose their title game. What if next year is a near identical repeat and we regress to the mean with two of the four champs losing? If it is like this year, the talk is about how unfair it is that Big XII placed two by not having a title game.

For me get my interest up about Big XII expanding, I need to see what sort of plan is out there to make it something different.

Adding three top 50 markets and the #51 market in Cincinnati, Albuquerque, Memphis and New Orleans doesn't strike me as especially innovative or visionary, that alone is just playing the same game everyone else is playing.

Simply plowing down the same ground of a TV network doesn't seem especially visionary. Maybe with some sort of twist involving an online content element where internet providers serving certain regions are paying a higher carriage fee or there is some sort of interactive ad overlay (which I'm not sure Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV can even support).

Tell me that four new schools are coming in and they get stuck hosting 6 or 8 Tuesday or Wednesday night games and maybe it works (hell if NIU can draw a million viewers or AState can draw three quarters of a million on Tuesday night what would Texas Tech at New Mexico or K-State at Cincinnati draw?)

Tell me the NCAA members have agreed to deregulate title games and the Big XII is going to make the final two weeks of the season "flex" games where half the league is home one week and the other half home the next week with the pairings determined 2 and 3 weeks out respectively and the pairings done to create the best games.

Or the league is going to 12 with a three division format where everyone plays each division member twice and one single game against one team from each of the other divisions with the two highest rated meeting in the title game.

In short, tell me how the Big XII is going to shake things up rather than do what everyone else is doing while settling on taking what's left that is easy to get.
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 02:37 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Source:

4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out

Why would the Big 12 do anything like this? Most of the new schools have small fanbases and adding these 10 schools would add nothing to the tv contract. In fact, the combined tv contracts for BYU, the AAC and MWC is less than the yearly take of one school in the Big 12. Adding a couple schools might make sense, if the conference championship game is a financial windfall and it increases the chances of a playoff spot. Otherwise, why expand?
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 02:37 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Source:

4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out

A home and home with your division would be only 8 games total. (you play the 4 others twice.) 5 games against your partner division and then maybe 3 random games against any of the other two divisions?
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
While the Big 12 (somewhat belatedly) finally instructed its members to clam up, I wonder if we will hear what Oklahoma and David Boren's position is? President Boren isn't one to be a wallflower.

WVU would be happy with such a setup.

Editet to add: The source is an insider on 247's pay site.
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 03:39 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  While the Big 12 (somewhat belatedly) finally instructed its members to clam up, I wonder if we will hear what Oklahoma and David Boren's position is? President Boren isn't one to be a wallflower.

WVU would be happy with such a setup.

Editet to add: The source is an insider on 247's pay site.

As I said before, thus far he has never been correct on any of his predictions. The only thing I can say for him, thus far, is that he had UC and Memphis about 2 weeks before that radio show said it. Otherwise, nothing, and I mean nothing, has come to fruition.
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 03:39 PM)BE4evah Wrote:  While the Big 12 (somewhat belatedly) finally instructed its members to clam up, I wonder if we will hear what Oklahoma and David Boren's position is? President Boren isn't one to be a wallflower.

WVU would be happy with such a setup.

Editet to add: The source is an insider on 247's pay site.

Their arrogant fans would say the schedule is softer, but an easier path to the CCG? Yes.
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Curious--
Why put Rice in Group C when Tech would be better geographic fit?
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Because they are already in the Big 12. Rice also gives the other group 1 Texas team.
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
That 20 team thing is too interesting to actually happen anyhow. And it would be terrible for the beloved Temple Owls unless it set off a wave of 20 team conferences.
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This plan looks like it came from crazy Dave.
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
Heard from a friend who...heard from a friend who... heard from another....

This guy must fly in T Boone Pickets Lear Jet....

Oops wait...radar just reports it landed in Cincinnati.

This is weird because People saw Fred Smith's jet take off...and word has it had his checkbook with him...
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 02:37 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Source:

4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out

But I know the neighborhood
And talk is cheap when the story is good
And the tales grow taller on down the line
But I'm telling you, babe
That I don't think it's true, babe
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
(12-11-2014 02:56 PM)freshtop Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 02:37 PM)jgkojak Wrote:  Source:

4 Divisions of 5 = 20 team conference

DIV A (the old Big 8)
ISU
KSU
KU
OU
OSU

DIV B (all Texas)
TEX
TTCH
BAY
TCU
HOUST

DIV C
BYU
CO ST
NM
RICE
SDSU

DIV D
WVU
CINCI
MEMPH
UCF
USF

A and B are paired / C and D are paird

Basketball = home and home against div. (10), 5 games against partner div.
Football = 9 - all teams in your partner divisions

Best record in A/B plays best record in C/D for champ game

Basketball = 16 team playoff, bottom teams in each division left out


That is certainly outside the box. Would the remnants of the MWC and AAC merge, or would the MWC eat the West C-USA/SBC teams and AAC eat the East?

Its something similar that I thought of between the MW and AAC. To have 2 10 team divisions. MW division and AAC division. No crossovers, 9 conference games. Division winner meet in the CCG. Basketball play H-H in Division only with top 6 in each division going to the conference tourney.
[Only would work if the TV and Additional revenue made financial sense. Conference would cover all timezones]

But the more likely scenario is the MW would take some CUSA west teams.
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
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The intent is to put the Old Big 8 together. The important players (Kansas=Bill Self) don't want to lose the round-robin against familiar rivals (Iowa St, Oklahoma St, etc).

Texas will be better positioned to sell its Longhorn network by saturating its division w/other Texas schools.

No one likes going to West Virginia every year.

The current Big 12 (the A and B, as yet to be named divisions w/Big 8 and Texas) don't care about the C and D, so long as they provide a vehicle for a conf championship game.

Money may not flow evenly - it may be related to your divisions population/TV markets - still a step up for all Div C and D schools except possibly BYU.

First left out of the twenty team arrangement: Tulane - it was between Tulane and Rice

To sum up:
Div A: KU, KSU, ISU, OU, OSU / Div B: Tex, TTCH, Bay, TCU, Houst / Div C: BYU, CSU, UNM, Rice, SDSU / Div D: WVU, Cinc, Memph, UCF, USF

On board:
WVU, Cinc, Memph, UCF, USF, Rice, UNM, CSU, Houst, SDSU

Leaning Yes:
TCU, ISU (they fear being left out), KSU (ditto), Bay, OSU (its their proposal after all - but they won't support without OU)

Fence-sitting:
OU, Kansas

Needs convincing:
Texas, Ttch (will follow Texas), BYU
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RE: Source: Okla. State advocating "visionary plan" for the Big 12
Novel solution that preserves some traditional rivalries while creating an enormous media market footprint. If (and that's a big IF) there is a grain of truth in this, one would think the TV folks are the puppet masters.

Another thread on this board shows top ten rated games this past season and the B12 in conspicuous by their absence. And I really believe they're probably a top 3 in the P5 for quality of football.
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(12-11-2014 04:30 PM)indycat Wrote:  Novel solution that preserves some traditional rivalries while creating an enormous media market footprint. If (and that's a big IF) there is a grain of truth in this, one would think the TV folks are the puppet masters.

Another thread on this board shows top ten rated games this past season and the B12 in conspicuous by their absence. And I really believe they're probably a top 3 in the P5 for quality of football.

There would be possibly many more eyeballs on their football games, the C/D markets would certainly tune in much more. Besides AAC, I watch Big and Sec next in order. That would change.
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