Here is an idea, just post what you would like to see the conferences to fall out if the B12 were to go to 12. Try not to flame, give reasons or provoke. You get power to say, this is how I would like to see conferences laid out when all is said and done. Feel free to make how you would like to see it and not blast anyone's plan, just post yours. Trying a wild experiment, a positive only thread.

ACC - Stands Pat
SEC - Stands Pat
PAC - Stands Pat
B10- Stands Pat
MAC - Stands Pat
MWC - Stands Pat
B12 - Add Cincy and BYU full time
AAC - Add Marshall
CUSA - Add Ark St and stays at 12
SB - Add E. Ky and JMU or Liberty goes to 12.

Who is next? Again, lets not try to flame and post what you would like to see.

First the Big 12 and ACC get the waiver for a non-divisional CCG and remain the 12 team stipulation.

Then trade teams between CUSA and SBC and draw a line between AL and MS. Everyone complains about travel, but no one looks at the easiest solution.

Yeah TV revenue, I hear ya, but in 2017 that difference goes away.

(12-11-2014 09:43 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Here is an idea, just post what you would like to see the conferences to fall out if the B12 were to go to 12. Try not to flame, give reasons or provoke. You get power to say, this is how I would like to see conferences laid out when all is said and done. Feel free to make how you would like to see it and not blast anyone's plan, just post yours. Trying a wild experiment, a positive only thread.

ACC - Stands Pat
SEC - Stands Pat
PAC - Stands Pat
B10- Stands Pat
MAC - Stands Pat
MWC - Stands Pat
B12 - Add Cincy and BYU full time
AAC - Add Marshall
CUSA - Add Ark St and stays at 12
SB - Add E. Ky and JMU or Liberty goes to 12.

Who is next? Again, lets not try to flame and post what you would like to see.

ACC - adds ND as full member plus UConn
SEC - Stands Pat
PAC - Stands Pat
B10- Stands Pat
MAC - Stands Pat
MWC - Stands Pat
B12 - Add Cincy and UTEP
AAC - Add Southern Miss and Marshall
CUSA - Add Ark St, ULL, Texas St, UMass, So Alabama, Ga Southern as full members for 16
SB - Adds NMSU as full member, adds JMU, Missouri St

If the Big 12 adds BYU and Cincinnati, I think the only trigger at the FBS level would be that the AAC would add UMass as a full member.

That could very well cause aftershocks with the non-football Division I conferences, though, with the Atlantic 10 and WCC looking for replacements (as they're on the stronger side of the non-football leagues where they could pretty much poach any school outside of the Big East) that could cause a change reaction down the line.

ACC - Loses Georgia Tech adds Notre Dame Full time
SEC - Stands Pat
PAC - Stands Pat
B10- Stands Pat
MAC - Stands Pat
MWC - Stands Pat
B12 - Adds Georgia Tech and Cincy
AAC - Adds UMASS
CUSA - Adds Texas St
SB - Adds Liberty

Everyone stands pat.

(12-11-2014 10:39 AM)SApuro Wrote:  ACC - Loses Georgia St adds Notre Dame Full time
SEC - Stands Pat
PAC - Stands Pat
B10- Stands Pat
MAC - Stands Pat
MWC - Stands Pat
B12 - Adds Georgia St and Cincy
AAC - Adds UMASS
CUSA - Adds Texas St
SB - Adds Liberty

I never knew Georgia State was in the ACC or was a candidate for the B12. Do you mean Georgia Tech?

Big 10 adds Buffalo and McGill
SEC adds Kansas and Oklahoma
Texas goes independent, Navy stays indy
Big 12 adds New Mexico, BYU, Colorado State
ACC stands pat
PAC12 stands pat
MW adds UTEP and New Mexico State
AAC adds Rice, USM and Marshall
UConn rejoins the Big East, becomes football indy

I'd like to see them all limit themselves to 12 and re-create an eastern conference.

Pac 12-no change
MAC-no change
MWC-no change
Big 10-dumps Rutgers and Nebraska
SEC-dumps South Carolina and Vanderbilt
ACC-dumps BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Notre Dame, adds Cincinnati
Big 12-dumps West Virginia, adds Nebraska, BYU, Houston
New East-Rutgers, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Notre Dame, WVU + UConn, Memphis, UCF, USF
AAC/E-Temple, Navy, Army, UMass, Marshall, ODU, ECU, Charlotte,FAU, FIU, WKU, MTSU
CUSA/SW-UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Texas St., Louisiana Tech, NMSU, ULL, USM
SB-Appalachian St., Arkansas St., ULM, USA, Troy, GSU, GSU, Idaho

The initial premise wouldn't be my preference, but just for kicks, I will play (since I don't have to get any of the schools to actually have to agree with my decisions).

I would have the Big 12 add Cincy, Memphis, Tulane and Colorado State, going to 14.

To get all the P5 to 14, I would have the PAC add Nevada and New Mexico.

Keeping the requirement for divisions, I would place Nevada in the PAC North with the Washingtons, Oregons, Cal and Stanford. New Mexico would join USC, UCLA and the Four Corners schools.

Big 12 divisions would be:

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Colorado St and Tulane.

Kansas St, Iowa St, TCU, Baylor, West Virginia, Cincy and Memphis.

I couldn't think of anything to name these divisions, since they aren't purely geographical (and Legends and Leaders seemed too corny).

I would allow the P5 to determine their champion by a four team playoff, matching each division's #1 (based on division record only) team with the other division's #2 in the first round.

The AAC replaces the three teams it lost to the P5 with Marshall, Old Dominion and Army, staying at 12. The MWC also stays at 12 by adding UTEP, Idaho and New Mexico State. These conferences choose their champion by a 2 team CCG, and send their champion to the 8 team playoff with the P5 champions.

That leaves, C-USA with 10 teams, and the Sunbelt with 9. After relegating Eastern Michigan due to persistent failure to meet minimum attendance requirements, they are now down to 11. BYU, Notre Dame and UMass are independent (unless UMass realizes they belong in FCS). The three conferences determine their champion by a full round robin schedule. The C-USA champ plays the SBC champ, and the MAC champ plays whichever independent has the best record. The two winners then meet for the eighth and final spot in the Quarterfinals.

Since conference playoff teams are determined by division standings only, the conference championship playoff can start in Week 12. Teams that aren't in the playoff fill out their final three regular season games by being matched up against teams in the other division of their conference in Weeks 12-15. They still have bowl eligibility to play for, so the games aren't meaningless.

For the Quarterfinals, I would have three P5 champions (selected on a rotating basis) host the three G5/Indy teams, and the other two P5 champions play each other, rotating home field. The semis would have the two westernmost teams play in Phoenix, and the two easternmost teams in the Superdome in New Orleans in Week 15, with the Finals at Jerry World after New Years. The bowls are no longer a part of the playoff tournament. They are free to do whatever they want.

Whew. After all that work, I need a beer.

No conference changes except dividing the Pac-12 football divisions the way it should have been done in the first place.

Pac-12 North: Washington, Washington St., Oregon, Oregon St., Colorado, Utah

Pac-12 South: Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona St.

Rivalry games have to be restored, each of these at least every other year: Nebraska-Oklahoma, Texas-Texas A&M, Pitt-Penn State, Pitt-WVU, Utah-BYU.

I think I take a more minimalist approach, opting for as much stability as possibe:

PAC - No Changes
Big 10 - No changes
SEC - No changes
ACC - No changes, but drops 1
Big 12 - Adds Notre Dame and BYU (yeah, I know not likely, but it's what I'd do)

AAC - No Change
MAC - No Change
MWC - No Change
C-USA - Add Louisiana to replace UAB, keeping UAB all other sports. No need for even divisions in all other sports.
SBC - Add Missouri State, Eastern Kentucky to get to 12, which I would require.)

(12-11-2014 01:29 PM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  I think I take a more minimalist approach, opting for as much stability as possibe:

PAC - No Changes
Big 10 - No changes
SEC - No changes
ACC - No changes, but drops 1
Big 12 - Adds Notre Dame and BYU (yeah, I know not likely, but it's what I'd do)

AAC - No Change
MAC - No Change
MWC - No Change
C-USA - Add Louisiana to replace UAB, keeping UAB all other sports. No need for even divisions in all other sports.
SBC - Add Missouri State, Eastern Kentucky to get to 12, which I would require.)

Did you have a specific team in mind, or do you just think the ACC should only have 13 teams?

Decision is made to split into 8 16-team super conferences. P5 conferences told they must get to 16 by any means possible. G5 conferences left to duke it out for survival.

Big 12 is the odd conference left out, but manages to survive by keeping Texas and Oklahoma in one division and adding most of the AAC to the other division. Negotiates TV deal in such way that the 2 divisions are evaluated separately, so remaining Big 12 programs still able to keep pace with other power conferences.

Independents are forced to join conferences, which leads to Army/Navy to the MAC with UMass and Temple, and Notre Dame to the ACC. I won't go through the line of thinking with each school and conference, except to say I tried to keep it as geographically, culturally, and historically (keeping the major conferences together) realistic as possible. This still isn't realistic, but not as far-fetched as some scenarios out there.

Each 16-team conference plays 7 division games with 2 cross-division games -- however, only the 7 division games count towards determining a division champion. All 16 division champions advance to playoff after 11-game regular season along with 8 at-large teams, bringing the FBS in line with the FCS. Additionally, there is a 2nd 24-team NIT tournament, allowing a total of 48 teams to make the post-season.

Although I did give this some considerable thought, I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it, so I am open to suggestions and may tweak it later.

ACC ATLANTIC:

florida state
clemson
louisville
boston college
north carolina state
wake forest
syracuse
connecticut

ACC COASTAL:

notre dame
cincinnati
georgia tech
duke
north carolina
pittsburgh
miami (fl)
virginia

BIG TEN EAST:

rutgers
maryland
penn state
ohio state
michigan
michigan state
indiana
purdue

BIG TEN WEST:

illinois
northwestern
wisconsin
minnesota
iowa
kansas
nebraska
missouri

BIG 12 EAST:

memphis
tulane
ucf
usf
smu
tulsa
rice
southern miss

BIG 12 WEST:

texas
texas tech
baylor
tcu
oklahoma
oklahoma state
iowa state
kansas state

CONFERENCE USA EAST:

marshall
middle tennessee
western kentucky
old dominion
charlotte
florida international
florida atlantic
appalachian state

CONFERENCE USA WEST:

louisiana tech
georgia southern
louisiana-lafayette
south alabama
arkansas state
louisiana-monroe
troy
georgia state

MAC EAST:

umass
temple
navy
army
buffalo
eastern michigan
central michigan
western michigan

MAC WEST:

ohio
kent state
akron
toledo
bowling green
miami (oh)
ball state
northern illinois

MOUNTAIN WEST PACIFIC:

hawaii
san diego state
fresno state
san jose state
unlv
utah state
idaho
nevada

MOUNTAIN WEST CENTRAL:

air force
new mexico state
wyoming
colorado state
texas state
utsa
north texas
utep

PAC EAST:

arizona
arizona state
utah
byu
boise state
colorado
new mexico
houston

PAC WEST:

washington state
washington
oregon
oregon state
cal
stanford
ucla
usc

SEC EAST:

west virginia
kentucky
vanderbilt
virginia tech
east carolina
south carolina
georgia
florida

SEC WEST:

tennessee
auburn
alabama
ole miss
mississippi state
lsu
arkansas
texas a&m

(12-11-2014 04:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:43 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Here is an idea, just post what you would like to see the conferences to fall out if the B12 were to go to 12. Try not to flame, give reasons or provoke. You get power to say, this is how I would like to see conferences laid out when all is said and done. Feel free to make how you would like to see it and not blast anyone's plan, just post yours. Trying a wild experiment, a positive only thread.

ACC - Stands Pat
SEC - Stands Pat
PAC - Stands Pat
B10- Stands Pat
MAC - Stands Pat
MWC - Stands Pat
B12 - Add Cincy and BYU full time
AAC - Add Marshall
CUSA - Add Ark St and stays at 12
SB - Add E. Ky and JMU or Liberty goes to 12.

Who is next? Again, lets not try to flame and post what you would like to see.

In my near-ideal world

ACC- Ga Tech, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, Duke, WF, UVa, UMd, Pitt, Miami

B1G- Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Mich, Mich St, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue, Wisconsin, Va Tech

Big East- WVU, Louisville, UCF, USF, ECU, ODU, Ohio U, Cincy, UConn, Temple, Akron, Rutgers

(swapping L'ville and VPI could be interesting too)

Big 12- Arkansas, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, TAMU, TCU, Texas Tech

New MAC
-Toledo, CMU, WMU, NIU, Iowa St
- Kent, Miami, BG, BSU, Buffalo

Pac 12- unchanged

Southern States
E- UAB, USM, Memphis, LaTech, Tulane, Marshall, WKU
W- Houston, SMU, UNT, Tulsa, Rice, Ark St, MTSU

SBC
FAU, FIU, Troy, S. Ala, ULL, ULM, Georgia State, Appalachian State and Georgia Southern, TX St, UTSA for football.

SEC- Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Ol Miss, Miss St, S. Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Florida St

WAC
NMSU, UNM, UTEP,
AF, CSU, Wyoming,
BYU, Boise St, USU,
Nevada, UNLV, SJSU,
Fresno St, SDSU, Hawaii

Independent- Army, Navy, Notre Dame, UMass

*EMU, Idaho drop football or go FCS

So, Boston College and Syracuse no longer play FB in your "near ideal" world?

(12-11-2014 04:46 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 04:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:43 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Here is an idea, just post what you would like to see the conferences to fall out if the B12 were to go to 12. Try not to flame, give reasons or provoke. You get power to say, this is how I would like to see conferences laid out when all is said and done. Feel free to make how you would like to see it and not blast anyone's plan, just post yours. Trying a wild experiment, a positive only thread.

ACC - Stands Pat
SEC - Stands Pat
PAC - Stands Pat
B10- Stands Pat
MAC - Stands Pat
MWC - Stands Pat
B12 - Add Cincy and BYU full time
AAC - Add Marshall
CUSA - Add Ark St and stays at 12
SB - Add E. Ky and JMU or Liberty goes to 12.

Who is next? Again, lets not try to flame and post what you would like to see.

In my near-ideal world

ACC- Ga Tech, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, Duke, WF, UVa, UMd, Pitt, Miami, UConn

B1G- Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Mich, Mich St, Minnesota, Northwestern, Ohio St, Penn St, Purdue, Wisconsin, Va Tech

Big East- WVU, Louisville, UCF, USF, ECU, ODU, Cincy, Temple, Syracuse, Rutgers, Boston College, Akron

(swapping L'ville and VPI could be interesting too)

Big 12- Arkansas, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas St, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas, TAMU, TCU, Texas Tech

New MAC
-Toledo, CMU, WMU, NIU, Iowa St
- Kent, Miami, BG, BSU, Buffalo, Ohio U

Pac 12- unchanged

Southern States
E- UAB, USM, Memphis, LaTech, Tulane, Marshall, WKU
W- Houston, SMU, UNT, Tulsa, Rice, Ark St, MTSU

SBC
FAU, FIU, Troy, S. Ala, ULL, ULM, Georgia State, Appalachian State and Georgia Southern, TX St, UTSA for football.

SEC- Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Ol Miss, Miss St, S. Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Florida St

WAC
NMSU, UNM, UTEP,
AF, CSU, Wyoming,
BYU, Boise St, USU,
Nevada, UNLV, SJSU,
Fresno St, SDSU, Hawaii

Independent- Army, Navy, Notre Dame, UMass

*EMU, Idaho drop football or go FCS

So, Boston College and Syracuse no longer play FB in your "near ideal" world?

Just realized they were missing. Fixed

UConn to Big 10.

The SEC picks up Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and West Virginia and everybody else figures out who they want.

(12-11-2014 05:06 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  UConn to Big 10.

I suppose there is the Western Reserve connection. But no-one in the B1G region wants UConn.

SEC - Kicks out UF, adds UCF.