(12-11-2014 09:21 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  At least at Michigan you don't have Bo Schembechler as your boss, telling you what plays to run and capping assistant coach salaries at 1998 levels.

What is funny is I read this, and I was thinking "well that's exactly what they have." Then I realized you were indeed talking about Alverez and not Schembechler.

#Ineedmorecaffeine.

Going to steal some from Wilkie

Michigan by a mile

Michigan is one of the elite names out there; Wisconsin is not.

Michigan, whom I despise, is a much better job than Wisconsin (whom I have zero opinion about---I didn't even know who Wisconsin's coach was until he left).

(12-11-2014 11:10 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:03 AM)bearcat29 Wrote:  If it were me, I would go with Michigan. Bigger name, more donor $$$, more history. I think it would be easier to win a National title at Michigan.

That said, I think they are fairly close in stature of late.

It is Michigan...and really if I am the Wolverines I would make Harbaugh an offer he just can't refuse...

Jim Harbaugh is a lost cause. Michigan fans can dream, but it's completely not realistic. If he's really leaving the 49ers, there is a whole slew of other NFL teams that would want him (i.e. both New York teams, the Jets and Giants) that can outspend any college program. I just never got the feeling that Harbaugh is like Nick Saban where he has some type of burning desire to come back to the college ranks. There isn't an offer that Michigan can provide that Harbaugh can't refuse (i.e. larger than Nick Saban's contract at Alabama) because there are NFL teams that will 100% trump that offer and not even sweat it.

(12-11-2014 11:44 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  There isn't an offer that Michigan can provide that Harbaugh can't refuse (i.e. larger than Nick Saban's contract at Alabama) because there are NFL teams that will 100% trump that offer and not even sweat it.

To that point, the NY Knicks just paid Phil Jackson $12 million per year to.... pick the next coach of the Knicks. And that's in the NBA.

Wisconsin does have no instate competition but i would have to go with Michigan given its history.

Between recent coaching moves at Nebraska and Wisconsin, and the ineptness of the CFP selection committee, I'm beginning to think it's time for both Barry Alvarez and Tom Osborne to retire. Their influence at their respective schools seems to have taken an unhealthy turn in recent years. And Michigan is right there with the two of them in dysfunctionality. The Big Ten in general does not seem to be handling the SEC's success very well.

As long as you're someone that can handle winter weather, Madison consistently ranks as one of the best places to live and raise a family whenever those type of surveys come out. Ann Arbor isn't a bad place to live either, although once you get a few miles out of town, the rest of the region is dying a slow death.

(12-11-2014 12:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  Between recent coaching moves at Nebraska and Wisconsin, and the ineptness of the CFP selection committee, I'm beginning to think it's time for both Barry Alvarez and Tom Osborne to retire. Their influence at their respective schools seems to have taken an unhealthy turn in recent years. And Michigan is right there with the two of them in dysfunctionality. The Big Ten in general does not seem to be handling the SEC's success very well.

Let's stop with the complete overstatements here. Urban Meyer still flocked to Ohio State when he could have had any job in the country (including Notre Dame or simply returning to Florida) at any price. Michigan State has turned into a consistent top 10 program. If you want to talk about dysfunctional, look at how Florida (which Meyer left) has managed to do "less with more" despite having arguably the best pound-for-pound in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country.

Wisconsin is what it is. The bigger question is whether Michigan can break its successive string of fails since Lloyd Carr? Given the ridiculous behavior out of the AD's department there I have my doubts whether they can. This hire is pivotal. One more dud and Michigan's history slips further away and the new perception of ineptitude takes over, at least in the minds of those under 30 by 2020.

There have been the favorite sons of Harbaugh and to a lesser extent Miles, and other names thrown around, but the legitimate question is how much will have to be offered in order to get the right guy? So many top coaches are nearing retirement age. Stoops might like new life as Oklahoma fans see him as a bit long in the tooth now. But it's going to take somebody that brings some cache to get the initial boost in recruiting and interest to kick start it. It is also going to take somebody not only familiar with the Midwest but also the Southern recruiting areas.

What would be the home run for Michigan would be to pay Nick Saban for a 5 year guarantee to become the new Bo against the new Woody. That would be interesting.

(12-11-2014 12:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  Between recent coaching moves at Nebraska and Wisconsin, and the ineptness of the CFP selection committee, I'm beginning to think it's time for both Barry Alvarez and Tom Osborne to retire. Their influence at their respective schools seems to have taken an unhealthy turn in recent years. And Michigan is right there with the two of them in dysfunctionality. The Big Ten in general does not seem to be handling the SEC's success very well.

Let's stop with the complete overstatements here. Urban Meyer still flocked to Ohio State when he could have had any job in the country (including Notre Dame or simply returning to Florida) at any price. Michigan State has turned into a consistent top 10 program. If you want to talk about dysfunctional, look at how Florida (which Meyer left) has managed to do "less with more" despite having arguably the best pound-for-pound in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country.

Best in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country? Have you heard of Florida State? Even Miami.

Big Ten's problem though is a lot of their resume's are built up just with conference play. What was the Big Ten's best OOC win this year?

(12-11-2014 12:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  Between recent coaching moves at Nebraska and Wisconsin, and the ineptness of the CFP selection committee, I'm beginning to think it's time for both Barry Alvarez and Tom Osborne to retire. Their influence at their respective schools seems to have taken an unhealthy turn in recent years. And Michigan is right there with the two of them in dysfunctionality. The Big Ten in general does not seem to be handling the SEC's success very well.

Let's stop with the complete overstatements here. Urban Meyer still flocked to Ohio State when he could have had any job in the country (including Notre Dame or simply returning to Florida) at any price. Michigan State has turned into a consistent top 10 program. If you want to talk about dysfunctional, look at how Florida (which Meyer left) has managed to do "less with more" despite having arguably the best pound-for-pound in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country.

Agreed. Frank knows how I feel about the Big Ten, but reports of its demise are wrong (unfortunately, lol).

Ohio State and Michigan State have their programs rolling. Michigan, again unfortunately, is one right coaching hire away from being very good again.

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  Between recent coaching moves at Nebraska and Wisconsin, and the ineptness of the CFP selection committee, I'm beginning to think it's time for both Barry Alvarez and Tom Osborne to retire. Their influence at their respective schools seems to have taken an unhealthy turn in recent years. And Michigan is right there with the two of them in dysfunctionality. The Big Ten in general does not seem to be handling the SEC's success very well.

Let's stop with the complete overstatements here. Urban Meyer still flocked to Ohio State when he could have had any job in the country (including Notre Dame or simply returning to Florida) at any price. Michigan State has turned into a consistent top 10 program. If you want to talk about dysfunctional, look at how Florida (which Meyer left) has managed to do "less with more" despite having arguably the best pound-for-pound in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country.

Best in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country? Have you heard of Florida State? Even Miami.

Big Ten's problem though is a lot of their resume's are built up just with conference play. What was the Big Ten's best OOC win this year?

Urban's health issues at Florida also coincided with the exodus of many of his long time assistants as they received promotions. The malaise that has become the norm for the Florida offense began when Mullen left for Mississippi State. That was about the time Urban's health took a nose dive. He left to go to the only Big 10 school that dominated its state with unconditional support for the Football program, and which in all regards does stand toe to toe with SEC schools in approach. It is also a conference in which the Buckeyes are now at a level that rivals Alabama's dominance of the SEC in the 70's, Oklahoma and Nebraska's dominance of the Big 8 in the same time period, and U.S.C.'s dominance of the PAC in the 60's and 70's. They have no in conference peers who are really a threat. And that helps the stress level enormously. Now all he has to do is find a way to get up for the 1 or 2 consequential OOC games that he must play a year, one during the season and one afterward.

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Best in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country? Have you heard of Florida State? Even Miami.

Yes, even with the in-state competition. If you were to poll coaches about which school they would pick based strictly on "ease" of recruiting, it would be a competition between Florida and Texas. The state of Florida produces FBS talent at per capita rate that's in line with Alabama and Louisiana, yet Florida has several times the population (which is why Florida, FSU and Miami have all had multiple dominant stretches over the past 30 yeas).

Quote:Big Ten's problem though is a lot of their resume's are built up just with conference play. What was the Big Ten's best OOC win this year?

That's a fair on-the-field argument, but I don't think that has anything to do with these coaching changes.

(12-11-2014 01:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:53 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:30 PM)ken d Wrote:  Between recent coaching moves at Nebraska and Wisconsin, and the ineptness of the CFP selection committee, I'm beginning to think it's time for both Barry Alvarez and Tom Osborne to retire. Their influence at their respective schools seems to have taken an unhealthy turn in recent years. And Michigan is right there with the two of them in dysfunctionality. The Big Ten in general does not seem to be handling the SEC's success very well.

Let's stop with the complete overstatements here. Urban Meyer still flocked to Ohio State when he could have had any job in the country (including Notre Dame or simply returning to Florida) at any price. Michigan State has turned into a consistent top 10 program. If you want to talk about dysfunctional, look at how Florida (which Meyer left) has managed to do "less with more" despite having arguably the best pound-for-pound in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country.

Best in-state recruiting advantage of any school in the country? Have you heard of Florida State? Even Miami.

Big Ten's problem though is a lot of their resume's are built up just with conference play. What was the Big Ten's best OOC win this year?

Urban's health issues at Florida also coincided with the exodus of many of his long time assistants as they received promotions. The malaise that has become the norm for the Florida offense began when Mullen left for Mississippi State. That was about the time Urban's health took a nose dive. He left to go to the only Big 10 school that dominated its state with unconditional support for the Football program, and which in all regards does stand toe to toe with SEC schools in approach. It is also a conference in which the Buckeyes are now at a level that rivals Alabama's dominance of the SEC in the 70's, Oklahoma and Nebraska's dominance of the Big 8 in the same time period, and U.S.C.'s dominance of the PAC in the 60's and 70's. They have no in conference peers who are really a threat. And that helps the stress level enormously. Now all he has to do is find a way to get up for the 1 or 2 consequential OOC games that he must play a year, one during the season and one afterward.

Don't forget about Oklahoma dominating the Big 8 in the 1950's. That conference was awful then. There is a reason Wilkinson won 47 straight.

Lol

Michigan is one of the best jobs in the country.

Assuming the AD's you work for are equal it comes down to this:

Both have huge budgets and enrollment with plenty of fans and facilities.

Is the brand advantage for UM a bigger recruiting plus than the irrationally large expectations are a job security minus at UM? Neither is a hotbed for recruiting locally.

(12-11-2014 12:30 PM)prp Wrote:  As long as you're someone that can handle winter weather, Madison consistently ranks as one of the best places to live and raise a family whenever those type of surveys come out. Ann Arbor isn't a bad place to live either, although once you get a few miles out of town, the rest of the region is dying a slow death.

A few miles out of town west and you run into 2 very wealthy small cities and many growing small towns. Wayne County is struggling but don't loop the whole region in with it.