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Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
Buried in HM's article on Lawry being Freshmen of the Year was a tidbit about the WKU being granted a 6th year of eligibility. The article states:

"Western Kentucky also announced that Doughty, a fifth-year senior, has been granted a sixth year of eligibility - injuries limited his play in 2011 and 2012."

I am not knocking the kid. I am knocking the NCAA. I am all for penalties for what people deem is "insignificant" violations. If a kid takes a free meal, I have no problem if he is suspended or even loses eligibility.

Donte Hill plays 8 minutes in an off season scrimmage and loses a year. This cat played in 2 regular season games in 2011 and 2 in 2012. yet he gets a waiver?

Wow.
12-11-2014 06:58 AM
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Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
From what the WKU fans said yesterday, in one of those seasons he only played 3 downs before getting injured. Just because Donte got royally screwed, doesn't mean we should throw fits when the rule is implemented correctly to a players benefit.


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RE: Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
1) No fit. I have no dog in the fight and really couldn't care less about WKU. My rant is a statement on the NCAA.

2) What is the rule that was implemented correctly? is there such a rule or is it completely up to NCAA to decide?
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Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
The guy played 3 plays before getting hurt. Do you think he should lose a year for that?


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Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
And the rule is a medical redshirt, which fits in Doughty's case.


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RE: Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
(12-11-2014 06:58 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Buried in HM's article on Lawry being Freshmen of the Year was a tidbit about the WKU being granted a 6th year of eligibility. The article states:

"Western Kentucky also announced that Doughty, a fifth-year senior, has been granted a sixth year of eligibility - injuries limited his play in 2011 and 2012."

I am not knocking the kid. I am knocking the NCAA. I am all for penalties for what people deem is "insignificant" violations. If a kid takes a free meal, I have no problem if he is suspended or even loses eligibility.

Donte Hill plays 8 minutes in an off season scrimmage and loses a year. This cat played in 2 regular season games in 2011 and 2 in 2012. yet he gets a waiver?

Wow.

Absolutely
Therein lies a major problem with the NCAA.

It looks like the NCAA wasn't angry at UNC that day eh?05-stirthepot
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(12-11-2014 07:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  The guy played 3 plays before getting hurt. Do you think he should lose a year for that?


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I don't think anyone is arguing that. I think the vitriol is directed toward the NCAA and the Donte Hill analogy,

I am glad he gets to play. It is the right thing to do.

However, even though it was medical with Doughty, as I understand it he played for a significant amount of time in a games BEFORE the medical issue? (2 games over 2 seasons)
Donte Hill played 8 minutes.
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Hopefully our secondary is more prepared for Doughty this time around. WKU will be a tough out regardless, but they're even tougher with him slinging the ball around the field.
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(12-11-2014 08:14 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 07:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  The guy played 3 plays before getting hurt. Do you think he should lose a year for that?


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I don't think anyone is arguing that. I think the vitriol is directed toward the NCAA and the Donte Hill analogy,

I am glad he gets to play. It is the right thing to do.

However, even though it was medical with Doughty, as I understand it he played for a significant amount of time in a games BEFORE the medical issue? (2 games over 2 seasons)
Donte Hill played 8 minutes.

And the 8 minutes were in a closed scrimmage that counted for nothing.
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(12-11-2014 08:34 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 08:14 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 07:40 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  The guy played 3 plays before getting hurt. Do you think he should lose a year for that?


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I don't think anyone is arguing that. I think the vitriol is directed toward the NCAA and the Donte Hill analogy,

I am glad he gets to play. It is the right thing to do.

However, even though it was medical with Doughty, as I understand it he played for a significant amount of time in a games BEFORE the medical issue? (2 games over 2 seasons)
Donte Hill played 8 minutes.

And the 8 minutes were in a closed scrimmage that counted for nothing.

I already noted that Donte got hosed.


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RE: Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
We'll see what they do with Butler.
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(12-11-2014 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We'll see what they do with Butler.

If Butler can play Center for two seasons, that will allow Nick Clarke time to develop.

A potential line of Mewbourne (LT) Fisher (LG) Butler © Garcia (RG) and Martinez (RT) is encouraging. Not sure if Garcia can move inside but it looks like we have three capable tackles heading into next season.
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(12-11-2014 09:37 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We'll see what they do with Butler.

If Butler can play Center for two seasons, that will allow Nick Clarke time to develop.

A potential line of Mewbourne (LT) Fisher (LG) Butler © Garcia (RG) and Martinez (RT) is encouraging. Not sure if Garcia can move inside but it looks like we have three capable tackles heading into next season.

I want Tyler Burns in this lineup at guard at 6feet 5 inches and 360lbs.
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(12-11-2014 07:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  And the rule is a medical redshirt, which fits in Doughty's case.

Well no. The medical redshirt rule is that you can get one. That's why they needed a waiver.

But they either need to change the rule (6 to play 4 *IF* the redshirt years were both injuries) or be consistent.
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(12-11-2014 08:13 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 06:58 AM)BigBlue23 Wrote:  Buried in HM's article on Lawry being Freshmen of the Year was a tidbit about the WKU being granted a 6th year of eligibility. The article states:

"Western Kentucky also announced that Doughty, a fifth-year senior, has been granted a sixth year of eligibility - injuries limited his play in 2011 and 2012."

I am not knocking the kid. I am knocking the NCAA. I am all for penalties for what people deem is "insignificant" violations. If a kid takes a free meal, I have no problem if he is suspended or even loses eligibility.

Donte Hill plays 8 minutes in an off season scrimmage and loses a year. This cat played in 2 regular season games in 2011 and 2 in 2012. yet he gets a waiver?

Wow.

Absolutely
Therein lies a major problem with the NCAA.

It looks like the NCAA wasn't angry at UNC that day eh?05-stirthepot

Absolutely!!! The inconsistency with the NCAA is unbelievable.
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RE: Western Kentucky QB Granted SIXTH year
OK. Here is the "down-and-dirty" of all of this. Under either circumstance, Hill or Doughty, the athlete must apply for a waiver


Quote:A student-athlete utilizes a season of competitive eligibility if, at any time during an academic year, he/she represents the institution in competition against individuals not on the institution's team. This is true regardless of how that competition is classified or when it occurs. Therefore, a student-athlete who participates in any of the following has utilized one of his/her four seasons of competitive eligibility in that sport:

-A joint practice session; or
-A scrimmage (other than intra-squad); or
-An alumni game; or
-An exhibition.
Also, a student-athlete who does any of the following has utilized one of his/her four seasons of competitive eligibility in that sport:
-Competes in the uniform of the institution; or
-Utilizes apparel or equipment with institutional identification; or
-Receives expenses associated with competition of any type.

Medical Waiver
For a student-athlete to receive a Medical Hardship Waiver per Bylaw 14.2.4, the following four conditions must be met:

-The student-athlete may not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent of the team's completed contests/dates of competition.
-The injury or illness must occur prior to the completion of the first half of the season.
-The injury or illness does not have to occur during practice/competition, but it must be incapacitating.
Appropriate medical documentation must exist and be provided.
All percentages are calculated according to contests or dates of competition, depending on how your sport's competitive opportunities are counted. Only contests or dates of competition occurring during the championship (traditional) season are included in the calculations. Conference championships/tournaments are counted as one contest or date of competition, regardless of the actual contest/dates used.
If the percentage calculation for the 20-percent rule results in a decimal -- any decimal -- the whole number preceding it is always rounded up. For example, if the softball team competes in 56 games, 20 percent of 56 is 11.2. Due to the "rounding-up," a softball team member who competed in 12 games does qualify for a medical hardship waiver.
To meet the first-half-of-the-season requirement, all competition must cease prior to the start of the contest or date of competition that begins the second half of the season. For example, a soccer player competing in the 10th game of a 19-game season does not qualify for a medical hardship waiver. Also, a student-athlete who is injured in the first half of the season, then attempts to play in the second half and aggravates the original injury, does not qualify for a medical hardship waiver.

NOTE: A STUDENT-ATHLETE RECEIVING A MEDICAL HARDSHIP WAIVER IS PERMITTED UNLIMITED PARTICIPATION IN THE NON-TRADITIONAL (NON-CHAMPIONSHIP) PORTION OF THE SEASON.
http://www.athletics.vt.edu/compliance/c...asons.html

As we see from the above proscriptions, Donte Hill clearly fell under at least two restrictions.

I don't know all of the particulars, but I bolded two regulations, that if are representative of Doughty's case, would qualify him for a medical waiver under NCAA bylaws.

So, bottom line:
It appears that while Hill's case might seem like chicken poop, the letter of the law was followed by the NCAA.
Conversely, in Doughty's case, he seems to have qualified for the medical waiver under NCAA guidelines.
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Now, I want someone to look at Josh Smith's transfer from UCLA to Georgetown and tell me how he got his extra year.
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We had the NCAA rob a transfer from Michigan of 3 seasons of eligibility back in the mid 2000's.

I think he might have competed in UM's exhibition his freshman year before deciding to transfer. He ended up playing 1 season of collegiate ball. He was a good player. Would have been great to see what he could have done with 3 years of eligibility like he should have had.
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(12-11-2014 11:02 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 09:37 AM)ODUR8R Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 09:27 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  We'll see what they do with Butler.

If Butler can play Center for two seasons, that will allow Nick Clarke time to develop.

A potential line of Mewbourne (LT) Fisher (LG) Butler © Garcia (RG) and Martinez (RT) is encouraging. Not sure if Garcia can move inside but it looks like we have three capable tackles heading into next season.

I want Tyler Burns in this lineup at guard at 6feet 5 inches and 360lbs.

I want Tyler Burns to lose about 30-40 pounds and get stronger while he is doing it. He will then be stronger, quicker and more durable. I hope that is the challenge they give him in the off season.
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(12-11-2014 11:08 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-11-2014 07:42 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  And the rule is a medical redshirt, which fits in Doughty's case.

Well no. The medical redshirt rule is that you can get one. That's why they needed a waiver.

But they either need to change the rule (6 to play 4 *IF* the redshirt years were both injuries) or be consistent.

Dude that is the rule. You have to be injuries both years to even QUALIFY for the waiver. Had he redshirted as a freshman and then got hurt his junior year and senior year, he would be SOL
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