(12-11-2014 01:33 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:47 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:06 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  The national perception is that the Miami Bowl features the best representative from the AAC vs. the best competition available (BYU > Florida). Nationally, it's considered more prestigious than the Birmingham Bowl.

no it's not.

I said my piece before on thoughts of going to Miami, but it's done with and now I'll cheer them on from home and hope it's a fantastic turnout all around.

But the above is jut a lie people are trying to get to catch on.

Really? So the national perception of the Birmingham Bowl featuring the 4th place AAC team vs. the 8th place (and 6-5) SEC team is higher?

Again, BYU was considered a better opponent than 6-5 Florida, 7-5 NC State, and 6-6 Virginia Tech and Memphis was considered the best representative from the AAC to play them.

But hey, if Wikipedia has a ranking that was compiled before the season even started...

All the conferences & bowls had their alliances & pecking order set prior to the season, so your point is.....?

(12-11-2014 01:33 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:47 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:06 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  The national perception is that the Miami Bowl features the best representative from the AAC vs. the best competition available (BYU > Florida). Nationally, it's considered more prestigious than the Birmingham Bowl.

no it's not.

I said my piece before on thoughts of going to Miami, but it's done with and now I'll cheer them on from home and hope it's a fantastic turnout all around.

But the above is jut a lie people are trying to get to catch on.

Really? So the national perception of the Birmingham Bowl featuring the 4th place AAC team vs. the 8th place (and 6-5) SEC team is higher?

Again, BYU was considered a better opponent than 6-5 Florida, 7-5 NC State, and 6-6 Virginia Tech and Memphis was considered the best representative from the AAC to play them.

But hey, if Wikipedia has a ranking that was compiled before the season even started...

every link I found listed the Birmingham bowl as our first bowl, including from our own conference. Where did you find that it was our #4 bowl? Bowl rankings are always from before the season starts. Sometimes teams are shuffled around, but bowl rankings are pretty consistent, with some even having exact placements (slot for member ranked #1, slot for member ranked #2, etc...)

you keep combining AAC exec's decisions/beliefs and national perceptions. They are two different things. AAC execs can believe whatever they want. It just doesn't make it true on the national level.

(12-11-2014 01:30 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:32 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:34 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:33 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:35 AM)tigerjaws Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat.

How much $$$$ will Tigers get from this bowl?

there is NO PAYOUT to the Miami Bowl.

the University gets tickets, Most or all of the money paid for tickets purchased through the University for tickets goes to the university... There is no real payout.

the conference might makeup some losses IF other bowls make a profit to the conference... which is unlikely.

If this is the case, why did the admin want this bowl so bad?

Who is the admin?

The AAC owns the Miami Beach Bowl. They wanted Memphis there. Part of that is marketing. Memphis going from a 3-9 team to a 9-3 team is a big story so there should be more interest there. The players wanted to go to Miami.

If the AAC "owns" the bowl then the payout won't be much.

I am sure it will probably be in line with the other AAC bowls which is around $1M.

Last year:
Miltary Bowl - 30K fans paid $1M
Birmingham Bowl - 43K fans paid $900K

I watched the BYU SportsNation show again today on the BYU Network (11:00 AM weekdays), and as I expected, they discussed the Miami Beach Bowl again. Their guest today was one of their linebackers. A few notable observations:

(1) The linebacker said he is glad they are playing Memphis because we are "the best team in the AAC", obviously trying to build up their opponent. How can he say we are the best, when we haven't played UCF or ECU?

(2) One of the talking heads said that he wished they were playing Cincinatti because they have a "national name" and "Memphis has no brand". I'm sure he has no idea of our long history with UC or that we lead them 19-13 all-time.

(3) The linebacker has seen films of our games with UC and Ole Miss. Said the UC win was impressive and that in the 4th quarter, "there was little old Memphis hanging close to Ole Miss". Nobody ever mentioned our UCLA game as though they aren't even aware of it.

(4) BYU is taking the game very seriously and regard UofM as "a challenge".

(12-11-2014 01:49 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:33 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:47 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:06 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  The national perception is that the Miami Bowl features the best representative from the AAC vs. the best competition available (BYU > Florida). Nationally, it's considered more prestigious than the Birmingham Bowl.

no it's not.

I said my piece before on thoughts of going to Miami, but it's done with and now I'll cheer them on from home and hope it's a fantastic turnout all around.

But the above is jut a lie people are trying to get to catch on.

Really? So the national perception of the Birmingham Bowl featuring the 4th place AAC team vs. the 8th place (and 6-5) SEC team is higher?

Again, BYU was considered a better opponent than 6-5 Florida, 7-5 NC State, and 6-6 Virginia Tech and Memphis was considered the best representative from the AAC to play them.

But hey, if Wikipedia has a ranking that was compiled before the season even started...

All the conferences & bowls had their alliances & pecking order set prior to the season, so your point is.....?

Where does anything say that the AAC deemed the Miami Bowl to be 5th in the "pecking order"? The link above to the official site of the AAC doesn't state the pecking order. It's the 5th one mentioned in the bowl descriptions, but then it's the 3rd one mentioned in the Bowl lineup below that.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ll-playoff

Bowl Watchability Rankings

6 Miami Beach BYU-Memphis
17 St. Petersburg NC State-UCF
18 Military Cincinnati-Virginia Tech
20 Birmingham East Carolina-Florida
37 Armed Forces Houston-Pitt

But of course, a couple of posters on MTO know much more than our Admin and coaches who apparently have nothing better to do than perpetuate lies about the bowl we're in.

(12-11-2014 01:33 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:47 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:06 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  The national perception is that the Miami Bowl features the best representative from the AAC vs. the best competition available (BYU > Florida). Nationally, it's considered more prestigious than the Birmingham Bowl.

no it's not.

I said my piece before on thoughts of going to Miami, but it's done with and now I'll cheer them on from home and hope it's a fantastic turnout all around.

But the above is jut a lie people are trying to get to catch on.

Really? So the national perception of the Birmingham Bowl featuring the 4th place AAC team vs. the 8th place (and 6-5) SEC team is higher?

Again, BYU was considered a better opponent than 6-5 Florida, 7-5 NC State, and 6-6 Virginia Tech and Memphis was considered the best representative from the AAC to play them.

But hey, if Wikipedia has a ranking that was compiled before the season even started...

Very few people care either way about either bowl outside of the teams participating. The national perception is that playing a bowl eligible SEC team is more prestigious than playing an independent/CUSA/MAC/Sun Belt team. That is not my opinion, but I don't ignore every league not named SEC, Pac/Big 12, Big 10, ACC like a vast majority of fans around the nation do.

(12-11-2014 01:55 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  you keep combining AAC exec's decisions/beliefs and national perceptions. They are two different things. AAC execs can believe whatever they want. It just doesn't make it true on the national level.

The point is, the nation couldn't care less about the Birmingham Bowl or the Miami Beach Bowl, generally speaking. However, national perception is based on match-ups.

The fact that most pundits consider Memphis/BYU to be the best Bowl match-up involving any AAC teams (a major part of that being BYU is considered the best opponent of any teams that the AAC is playing) is what counts in regard to national perception.

(12-11-2014 02:03 PM)ballhog Wrote:  Very few people care either way about either bowl outside of the teams participating. The national perception is that playing a bowl eligible SEC team is more prestigious than playing an independent/CUSA/MAC/Sun Belt team. That is not my opinion, but I don't ignore every league not named SEC, Pac/Big 12, Big 10, ACC like a vast majority of fans around the nation do.

I agree with the first part of your statement and pointed that out in my previous post. However, this season BYU is considered a better opponent than a mediocre Florida team without a head coach.

(12-11-2014 02:09 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:55 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  you keep combining AAC exec's decisions/beliefs and national perceptions. They are two different things. AAC execs can believe whatever they want. It just doesn't make it true on the national level.

The point is, the nation couldn't care less about the Birmingham Bowl or the Miami Beach Bowl, generally speaking. However, national perception is based on match-ups.

The fact that most pundits consider Memphis/BYU to be the best Bowl match-up involving any AAC teams (a major part of that being BYU is considered the best opponent of any teams that the AAC is playing) is what counts in regard to national perception.

However, the game is on a Monday, at 2pm (est), 3 days before Christmas.......most pundits, fans and tv sponsors won't even know the game is on tv. Our game might be listed as the #6 most watchable game, but more than likely it will be in the bottom 5 for how many tv sets have the game on. When our game is finished....around 4:30pm, ESPN will go straight in their pregame updates and coverage getting ready for Monday night football between the Broncos and the Bengals. The game made it hard for all but about 1,000 Memphis fans to go to the game and ESPN will give both teams very little post game coverage due to MNF.

(12-11-2014 02:18 PM)Swearingen20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 02:09 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:55 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  you keep combining AAC exec's decisions/beliefs and national perceptions. They are two different things. AAC execs can believe whatever they want. It just doesn't make it true on the national level.

The point is, the nation couldn't care less about the Birmingham Bowl or the Miami Beach Bowl, generally speaking. However, national perception is based on match-ups.

The fact that most pundits consider Memphis/BYU to be the best Bowl match-up involving any AAC teams (a major part of that being BYU is considered the best opponent of any teams that the AAC is playing) is what counts in regard to national perception.

However, the game is on a Monday, at 2pm (est), 3 days before Christmas.......most pundits, fans and tv sponsors won't even know the game is on tv. Our game might be listed as the #6 most watchable game, but more than likely it will be in the bottom 5 for how many tv sets have the game on. When our game is finished....around 4:30pm, ESPN will go straight in their pregame updates and coverage getting ready for Monday night football between the Broncos and the Bengals. The game made it hard for all but about 1,000 Memphis fans to go to the game and ESPN will give both teams very little post game coverage due to MNF.

There may be 1,000 Tiger fans there, but we can make it appear like way more for just $25 a kid. $25 gets a Miami youth a ticket and a Tiger shirt (in Nike blue)

(12-11-2014 02:24 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  There may be 1,000 Tiger fans there, but we can make it appear like way more for just $25 a kid. $25 gets a Miami youth a ticket and a Tiger shirt (in Nike blue)

Why not dark royal blue? Nike blue sucks.

(12-11-2014 09:34 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:33 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:35 AM)tigerjaws Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat.

How much $$$$ will Tigers get from this bowl?

there is NO PAYOUT to the Miami Bowl.

the University gets tickets, Most or all of the money paid for tickets purchased through the University for tickets goes to the university... There is no real payout.

the conference might makeup some losses IF other bowls make a profit to the conference... which is unlikely.

If this is the case, why did the admin want this bowl so bad?

Reward for the players
Much nicer to take out the big boosters in Miami Beach than in Birmingham
ESPN owns the bowl along with the AAC so that might have something

(12-11-2014 12:47 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:06 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:34 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  If this is the case, why did the admin want this bowl so bad?

The national perception is that the Miami Bowl features the best representative from the AAC vs. the best competition available (BYU > Florida). Nationally, it's considered more prestigious than the Birmingham Bowl.

no it's not.

I said my piece before on thoughts of going to Miami, but it's done with and now I'll cheer them on from home and hope it's a fantastic turnout all around.
But the above is jut a lie people are trying to get to catch on.

Quote:The Miami Beach Bowl will match an American Athletic Conference team against an opponent from either Conference USA, the Sun Belt Conference or the Mid-American Conference

A bowl tie-in against CUSA/Sun Belt/MAC is in no way more prestigious than the others. Wikipedia lists the bowl as our #5 bowl. Now, of course Wiki can be wrong at times, but that just shows the perception is it's one of our worst bowls, only propped up partially this year due to picking an independent over the above.

Quote:American Athletic Conference

2014:

#1 The Military Bowl versus ACC
#2 The Birmingham Bowl versus SEC
#3 The St. Petersburg Bowl versus ACC
#4 The Armed Forces Bowl versus Army/Big 12
#5 The Miami Beach Bowl versus BYU
#6 The Bahamas Bowl versus Mid American
The Independence Bowl Conference USA or the American fills unused slot if ACC or SEC does not fill its slot (both have backup agreements).

Wiki page

Heck, our own conference listed it 5th originally
http://theamerican.org/news/2013/12/5/FB...34743.aspx

Our team is going to have a heck of a time during the bowl, and BYU turned out to be a better opponent than it was originally slated to be (CUSA this year), but prestige it does not have.

The bowl has no national perception but the matchup does. Most sites rank it as one of the top ten games to watch. No AAC Bowl name has national prestige, but this game has some. A lot more than Bham or any of the Florida bowl games. Also, the fact that we are two names for B12 expansion, being bandied about, will be discussed on air.

(12-12-2014 09:54 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:34 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:33 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:35 AM)tigerjaws Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat.

How much $$$$ will Tigers get from this bowl?

there is NO PAYOUT to the Miami Bowl.

the University gets tickets, Most or all of the money paid for tickets purchased through the University for tickets goes to the university... There is no real payout.

the conference might makeup some losses IF other bowls make a profit to the conference... which is unlikely.

If this is the case, why did the admin want this bowl so bad?

Reward for the players
Much nicer to take out the big boosters in Miami Beach than in Birmingham
ESPN owns the bowl along with the AAC so that might have something

Correct. The AAC, along with ESPN, wants this bowl to start becoming where we send our conference champion. They want this bowl to start gaining merit. Hence why they selected the best of the AAC vs a brand name BYU. BYU's contract with this bowl is only for two years I believe, then the AAC, along with ESPN has to select a new tie in. If we can make this bowl a great thing over the next 2 years, then we stand a better chance of getting a solid Power 5 (which would probably be an upper mid level P5 team) tie in once BYU's contract is up.

(12-12-2014 09:54 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:34 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:33 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:35 AM)tigerjaws Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat.

How much $$$$ will Tigers get from this bowl?

there is NO PAYOUT to the Miami Bowl.

the University gets tickets, Most or all of the money paid for tickets purchased through the University for tickets goes to the university... There is no real payout.

the conference might makeup some losses IF other bowls make a profit to the conference... which is unlikely.

If this is the case, why did the admin want this bowl so bad?

Reward for the players
Much nicer to take out the big boosters in Miami Beach than in Birmingham
ESPN owns the bowl along with the AAC so that might have something

This is all that matters.

All the American bowls are crappy. At least you get to go to a cool place. This is the equivalent of the year we went to the NOLA bowl.

(12-11-2014 02:24 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 02:18 PM)Swearingen20 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 02:09 PM)Johnny Betts Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:55 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  you keep combining AAC exec's decisions/beliefs and national perceptions. They are two different things. AAC execs can believe whatever they want. It just doesn't make it true on the national level.

The point is, the nation couldn't care less about the Birmingham Bowl or the Miami Beach Bowl, generally speaking. However, national perception is based on match-ups.

The fact that most pundits consider Memphis/BYU to be the best Bowl match-up involving any AAC teams (a major part of that being BYU is considered the best opponent of any teams that the AAC is playing) is what counts in regard to national perception.

However, the game is on a Monday, at 2pm (est), 3 days before Christmas.......most pundits, fans and tv sponsors won't even know the game is on tv. Our game might be listed as the #6 most watchable game, but more than likely it will be in the bottom 5 for how many tv sets have the game on. When our game is finished....around 4:30pm, ESPN will go straight in their pregame updates and coverage getting ready for Monday night football between the Broncos and the Bengals. The game made it hard for all but about 1,000 Memphis fans to go to the game and ESPN will give both teams very little post game coverage due to MNF.

There may be 1,000 Tiger fans there, but we can make it appear like way more for just $25 a kid. $25 gets a Miami youth a ticket and a Tiger shirt (in Nike blue)

It's $25 extra if you want the kid to cheer for the Tigers.

(12-11-2014 11:32 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:34 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:33 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:35 AM)tigerjaws Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat.

How much $$$$ will Tigers get from this bowl?

there is NO PAYOUT to the Miami Bowl.

the University gets tickets, Most or all of the money paid for tickets purchased through the University for tickets goes to the university... There is no real payout.

the conference might makeup some losses IF other bowls make a profit to the conference... which is unlikely.

If this is the case, why did the admin want this bowl so bad?

Who is the admin?

The AAC owns the Miami Beach Bowl. They wanted Memphis there. Part of that is marketing. Memphis going from a 3-9 team to a 9-3 team is a big story so there should be more interest there. The players wanted to go to Miami.

is our record most improved in country?

(12-12-2014 01:28 PM)roachman48 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:32 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:34 AM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:33 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:35 AM)tigerjaws Wrote:  Sorry if this is a repeat.

How much $$$$ will Tigers get from this bowl?

there is NO PAYOUT to the Miami Bowl.

the University gets tickets, Most or all of the money paid for tickets purchased through the University for tickets goes to the university... There is no real payout.

the conference might makeup some losses IF other bowls make a profit to the conference... which is unlikely.

If this is the case, why did the admin want this bowl so bad?

Who is the admin?

The AAC owns the Miami Beach Bowl. They wanted Memphis there. Part of that is marketing. Memphis going from a 3-9 team to a 9-3 team is a big story so there should be more interest there. The players wanted to go to Miami.

is our record most improved in country?

TCU went from 4-8 to 11-1, a 7 game difference. Not sure if that's the biggest turnaround but it's bigger than ours.

The AAC bowls don't have a pecking order. Teams work with the conference to decide who goes where. I'm sure the better teams probably get more say, but geography and opponent also make up a big part of it. The team and coaches apparently wanted this bowl, so I am glad they got it, but I really do think it is a bad setup, and have doubts as to whether or not it will even exist in a few years.