http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/09/feds-h...-patients/

"Turns out finding a doctor who accepts Medicaid is almost twice as difficult as many people expected.

Half the doctors listed by federal investigators are not providing appointments to Medicaid enrollees, an investigation by the inspector general for the Department of Health and Human Services has found."

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

(12-10-2014 11:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

But the existence of Medicare/Medicaid meant they already had 'healthcare'.

(12-11-2014 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 11:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

But the existence of Medicare/Medicaid meant they already had 'healthcare'.

Which makes 'none at all' the alternative...glad we agree.

(12-11-2014 12:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 11:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

But the existence of Medicare/Medicaid meant they already had 'healthcare'.

Which makes 'none at all' the alternative...glad we agree.

No. It makes it important for the government to do things that will increase the number of PCP's, which Obamacare did nothing to address.

It amazes me that those in favor of Obamacare, of which you are included, haven't seen fit to start holding your hero's in Washington to task for ignoring the basic laws of supply and demand concerning the health system.

You cheer for "free" coverage, ignoring that, [/i]someone, will have to pick up the tab, but also ignore that without more doctors, everyone's[i] care will suffer.

Are you really ok with a health system that operates worse than the BMV as far as wait times, etc.? If so, your threshold of what is acceptable must be very low.

Why do you think Canadians travel south for life saving procedures - because in the world of healthcare, time often means life or death.

(12-11-2014 12:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:39 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 11:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

But the existence of Medicare/Medicaid meant they already had 'healthcare'.

Which makes 'none at all' the alternative...glad we agree.

We've been closer on this issue than not. Where we disagree is on whether it was necessary to implement a 1000 page law to accomplish what a few minor tweaks to current system would have.

(12-11-2014 12:29 PM)Crebman Wrote:  No. It makes it important for the government to do things that will increase the number of PCP's, which Obamacare did nothing to address.

It amazes me that those in favor of Obamacare, of which you are included, haven't seen fit to start holding your hero's in Washington to task for ignoring the basic laws of supply and demand concerning the health system.

You cheer for "free" coverage, ignoring that, [/i]someone, will have to pick up the tab, but also ignore that without more doctors, everyone's[i] care will suffer.

Are you really ok with a health system that operates worse than the BMV as far as wait times, etc.? If so, your threshold of what is acceptable must be very low.

Why do you think Canadians travel south for life saving procedures - because in the world of healthcare, time often means life or death.

That was a bridge too far because it would have fractured the unity of the DNC to accomplish. The AMA isn't interested in more residency slots, nor do they want to downgrade certain care options to the Corpsman/PA level. Tort Reform is an obvious non starter and actually trying to increase Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements would have required sacrificing other pet projects.

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:29 PM)Crebman Wrote:  No. It makes it important for the government to do things that will increase the number of PCP's, which Obamacare did nothing to address.
It amazes me that those in favor of Obamacare, of which you are included, haven't seen fit to start holding your hero's in Washington to task for ignoring the basic laws of supply and demand concerning the health system.
You cheer for "free" coverage, ignoring that, [/i]someone, will have to pick up the tab, but also ignore that without more doctors, everyone's[i] care will suffer.
Are you really ok with a health system that operates worse than the BMV as far as wait times, etc.? If so, your threshold of what is acceptable must be very low.
Why do you think Canadians travel south for life saving procedures - because in the world of healthcare, time often means life or death.

That was a bridge too far because it would have fractured the unity of the DNC to accomplish. The AMA isn't interested in more residency slots, nor do they want to downgrade certain care options to the Corpsman/PA level. Tort Reform is an obvious non starter and actually trying to increase Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements would have required sacrificing other pet projects.

Of course, all of those things would have made health care better, which Obamacare does not.

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:29 PM)Crebman Wrote:  No. It makes it important for the government to do things that will increase the number of PCP's, which Obamacare did nothing to address.

It amazes me that those in favor of Obamacare, of which you are included, haven't seen fit to start holding your hero's in Washington to task for ignoring the basic laws of supply and demand concerning the health system.

You cheer for "free" coverage, ignoring that, [/i]someone, will have to pick up the tab, but also ignore that without more doctors, everyone's[i] care will suffer.

Are you really ok with a health system that operates worse than the BMV as far as wait times, etc.? If so, your threshold of what is acceptable must be very low.

Why do you think Canadians travel south for life saving procedures - because in the world of healthcare, time often means life or death.

That was a bridge too far because it would have fractured the unity of the DNC to accomplish. The AMA isn't interested in more residency slots, nor do they want to downgrade certain care options to the Corpsman/PA level. Tort Reform is an obvious non starter and actually trying to increase Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements would have required sacrificing other pet projects.

So in other words, they created a monstrosity that doesn't make healthcare better and their ignorant followers lap it up because they don't know any better. Kind of like voting for Obamaphones, except 80% of the population gets screwed in the deal.

(12-11-2014 12:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Which makes 'none at all' the alternative...glad we agree.

Is this really what you believe?

I know it's what you're told... but do you actually believe it?

Whom do you think all of that Medicaid money was previously going to? What services do you think that Medicaid provided to them?

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The AMA isn't interested in more residency slots,

I agree with everything except this. They have been on record since at least the 90's in favor of funding more slots.

(12-10-2014 11:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

Great point.

Your own healthcare will be coming at some point in the future. You just need to keep waiting for it and eventually you'll get it. Have faith. No need to worry or complain about not yet having it. At some point you'll get the healthcare you need at that point.

(12-11-2014 01:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The AMA isn't interested in more residency slots,

I agree with everything except this. They have been on record since at least the 90's in favor of funding more slots.

Then what's been the holdup?

(12-11-2014 03:41 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:34 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 01:12 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  The AMA isn't interested in more residency slots,

I agree with everything except this. They have been on record since at least the 90's in favor of funding more slots.

Then what's been the holdup?

almost all of them are funded through Medicare... and the focus has been (and obviously continues to be) on something other than creating more doctors. That's why my position has ALWAYS been that if the ACA wanted to deliver more healthCARE, step #1 would have been to fund more RESIDENCIES. Despite Obama being on record noting the shortage of physicians as our population ages, the ACA specifically and intentionally did nothing to address it.

I've seen some argue that the private sector could/should fund them... The problem is that the only people financially incentivized to do so is big pharma... but they have few/no ways to get their funding back. Even specialties like dermatologists can't assure a pharma company that they will be able to prescribe enough of 'their' drug before the patent runs out to pay back the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of dollars that a residency requires.

Instead, Med Schools have expanded... but you don't need residency to go into research or pharma... It's part of why you see these young looking 'Doctors' marketing and writing testimonials for herbal supplements and the like...

MD = Doctor
MD /= Physician.

(12-11-2014 03:13 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 11:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

Great point.

Your own healthcare will be coming at some point in the future. You just need to keep waiting for it and eventually you'll get it. Have faith. No need to worry or complain about not yet having it. At some point you'll get the healthcare you need at that point.

The coroner?

And Van, not to pick a nit, but this monstrosity wasn't "only" a 1000 pages, it was closer to 3000 and that's only the bill itself.

The administrative stuff, written behind closed doors, by our nameless, faceless bloated bureaucracies that couldn't run a website, IS more than 70,000 pages and grows daily. A stack of reg's, instructions, provisions, requirements, hoops, obstacles, penalties, what fers and wherefors that is taller than Yao Freaking Ming. There is, quite literally, NO way any one person could understand, much less master, this idiocy and it's only going to get worse.

Let's all remember, the worst parts of this schitshow is yet to be revealed and implemented. You think it's bad now, stick around. You may be out of a Coroner here soon enough too!

Hopey-Changey!!!

Nothing government does works as intended.

Does anyone not understand this?

(12-11-2014 03:13 PM)G-Man Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 11:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

Quote:The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney

lol, slow healthcare is better than none at all...

Great point.

Your own healthcare will be coming at some point in the future. You just need to keep waiting for it and eventually you'll get it. Have faith. No need to worry or complain about not yet having it. At some point you'll get the healthcare you need at that point.

Bwhahaha