We're going to UTSA and Marshall is coming to Charlotte? When did the C-USA schedule for next year get released?

(12-11-2014 09:51 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yeah, Doughty getting a 6th year will be huge for them; definately the front-runners going into next year. If they find a defense, they could be a challenger for the Access Bowl.

We play @LSU, @ Vandy and @ IU...Not that Vandy and IU are great football teams, but will be hard and almost impossible to go undefeated vs. that schedule....
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You don't need to go undefeated but you do need to beat Vandy, beat IU (or play them very close if they turn out to be good) and play LSU tough. Beyond that, run the conference table and win the CG.

Tall order but with a 6th year QB who threw for >4,400 yards this season, not impossible. I doubt anyone here sees another C-USA team with more potential going into next year. Then it's a 1 in 5 against the other G5's. It'll be just like making a deep run in the NCAA's.....only different.

Marshall returns a lot of talent on offense and defense. If one of our QB's can step up, I see no reason we cant be in position for another title. With the level of depth that Doc has assembled on this team, we are not rebuilding. We are reloading.

No offense to my WKU brethren, but I'm not ready to anoint them kings of the east just yet...Are they a frontrunner?? ABSOLUTELY!!! The WKU offense is STELLAR, but they have ZERO defense...and until they prove that they can stop someone, any good team is still in the game..and yes, I am well aware that they beat us at home (that play happened right in front of me), but what is often overlooked is that we held WKU to ten points in the second half (excluding OT)...and La Tech donkey stomped them...so...

I think the East is up for grabs this year...Not a single team is a lock

(12-11-2014 10:03 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  We're going to UTSA and Marshall is coming to Charlotte? When did the C-USA schedule for next year get released?

Some posters on the Charlotte board said that Lambert said Marshall was coming to Charlotte next year.

If things hold pattern...Marshall's CUSA schedule should look like this:

ODU
@MTSU
FIU
@FAU
West Div.
@West Div.
Charlotte (to Fill UAB's slot)
@WKU

That leaves us 4 home and 4 away...unless some horse trading is done Charlotte should be in Huntington...

(12-11-2014 10:11 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:03 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  We're going to UTSA and Marshall is coming to Charlotte? When did the C-USA schedule for next year get released?

Some posters on the Charlotte board said that Lambert said Marshall was coming to Charlotte next year.

If they're referring to his interview on WFNZ the other day, I didn't take his comment as meaning he knew Marshall was coming in next year or not. He does know that either this year or next Marshall will be in The Rich because we'll be in their division.

(12-11-2014 10:04 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 09:51 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Yeah, Doughty getting a 6th year will be huge for them; definately the front-runners going into next year. If they find a defense, they could be a challenger for the Access Bowl.

We play @LSU, @ Vandy and @ IU...Not that Vandy and IU are great football teams, but will be hard and almost impossible to go undefeated vs. that schedule....

You don't need to go undefeated but you do need to beat Vandy, beat IU (or play them very close if they turn out to be good) and play LSU tough. Beyond that, run the conference table and win the CG.

Tall order but with a 6th year QB who threw for >4,400 yards this season, not impossible. I doubt anyone here sees another C-USA team with more potential going into next year. Then it's a 1 in 5 against the other G5's. It'll be just like making a deep run in the NCAA's.....only different.
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We would need to go undefeated to surpass a 2 or 3 loss Boise team...Access Bowl might as well rename itself to Boise Bowl game...I am not sure any of us will ever be able to overtake the committees son in BOise, seems like they will be protected every season..

(12-11-2014 10:09 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  No offense to my WKU brethren, but I'm not ready to anoint them kings of the east just yet...Are they a frontrunner?? ABSOLUTELY!!! The WKU offense is STELLAR, but they have ZERO defense...and until they prove that they can stop someone, any good team is still in the game..and yes, I am well aware that they beat us at home (that play happened right in front of me), but what is often overlooked is that we held WKU to ten points in the second half (excluding OT)...and La Tech donkey stomped them...so...
I think the East is up for grabs this year...Not a single team is a lock

Let's not play the transitive game and no one is anointing anyone anything. What we're doing here is looking at each team for next year, and given their potential, trying to determine who has the clearest path to the top. If you win C-USA, you should be a challenger for the AB. No locks here but the team you couldn't beat at home is returning a prolific passer for his 6th year....where should we put them?

(12-11-2014 10:26 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:09 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  No offense to my WKU brethren, but I'm not ready to anoint them kings of the east just yet...Are they a frontrunner?? ABSOLUTELY!!! The WKU offense is STELLAR, but they have ZERO defense...and until they prove that they can stop someone, any good team is still in the game..and yes, I am well aware that they beat us at home (that play happened right in front of me), but what is often overlooked is that we held WKU to ten points in the second half (excluding OT)...and La Tech donkey stomped them...so...
I think the East is up for grabs this year...Not a single team is a lock

Let's not play the transitive game and no one is anointing anyone anything. What we're doing here is looking at each team for next year, and given their potential, trying to determine who has the clearest path to the top. If you win C-USA, you should be a challenger for the AB. No locks here but the team you couldn't beat at home is returning a prolific passer for his 6th year....where should we put them?

50 spots behind the anointed La. TEch team

The schedule is in flux with the UAB issue. It was certain that UTEP would be playing UAB in division play next year but now, who know's which team takes their place on the schedule. UTEP has played MT twice and should rotate to a different east team and WKU should be coming to El Paso to complete that rotation. We owe ODU a visit. But with the UAB issue we just don't know how the schedule will be shuffled.

(12-11-2014 07:26 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  I see things a little differently, although I think you pegged the East pretty well

Western Kentucky: (7-1) Doughty back and assuming they get some defense
Middle Tennessee: (6-2)More experience at QB
Marshall: Q(6-2) Question on O Line
FIU (4-4): STronger defense and offense starts to catch up
FAU (3-5): Like this year, they will surprise some folks
Old Dominion: (2-6); NO Heinecke = less wins
Charlotte: (0-8). Will have rough season

CUSA West:
LaTech (6-2) Dixon is the difference, along with defense
UTEP (5-3) Miners continue to improve
Rice (4-4) Think the Owls will drop a bit next year
Southern Miss (4-4) More improvement. 2016 is their break out year
North Texas: (3-5) Will rebound a little
UTSA (1-7): Huge graduating class

I see no reason why we don't improve next year. We were breaking in a new QB and new starting rbs this year, and didn't know what to expect. Next year, our QB is a senior and we keep our stud DT (assuming he doesn't leave early). We lose a little in deep positions, but I fully expected this year to be our down year and next year to be our rebound year. I'll take 7 wins in a down year, but expect us to improve on that next year

(12-11-2014 10:26 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  We would need to go undefeated to surpass a 2 or 3 loss Boise team...Access Bowl might as well rename itself to Boise Bowl game...I am not sure any of us will ever be able to overtake the committees son in BOise, seems like they will be protected every season..

What you're doing here is making the false assumption that a C-USA school has to go unbeaten to qualify. A 2 loss Boise given a trip-up against AFA and a nuetral-site loss against Ole Miss has a stronger resume given the strength of the MWC this year and they're on an 8 game winning streak. WKU's OOC is plenty strong to match up against the same record from any other G5. Don't start playing the victim card this early; Marshall would be there right now if not for that OT loss.

(12-11-2014 10:07 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  Marshall returns a lot of talent on offense and defense. If one of our QB's can step up, I see no reason we cant be in position for another title. With the level of depth that Doc has assembled on this team, we are not rebuilding. We are reloading.

And assuming Boise State or another MWC team isn't automatically given the Access Bowl nod, MU can go 12-0 and not get in because of the weak OOC schedule. I do not want to start a war of words here, but comparing MU's OOC schedule to MT and WKU for the next several years is a joke. MT and WKU play two SEC teams and one BIG10 team each next year, while MU is feasting on the MAC.

With the level of depth that Doc has assembled, he should utilize that depth by playing some quality opponents.

I know that MU lost Louisville this season but still, you need to schedule better.

You can now attack me for my insolence.

(12-11-2014 10:47 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:26 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  We would need to go undefeated to surpass a 2 or 3 loss Boise team...Access Bowl might as well rename itself to Boise Bowl game...I am not sure any of us will ever be able to overtake the committees son in BOise, seems like they will be protected every season..

What you're doing here is making the false assumption that a C-USA school has to go unbeaten to qualify. A 2 loss Boise given a trip-up against AFA and a nuetral-site loss against Ole Miss has a stronger resume given the strength of the MWC this year and they're on an 8 game winning streak. WKU's OOC is plenty strong to match up against the same record from any other G5. Don't start playing the victim card this early; Marshall would be there right now if not for that OT loss.

You may be right. If MT or WKU were to go 7-1 in CUSA and 3-1 OOC, they might have a chance, since the OOC loss would be to Alabama or LSU.
Both those are obviouslt big ifs.
I would just like WKU to not fritter away huge halftime leads like they did this year and finish 6-2 or 5-3 in conference and 3-1 OOC.
I would also love to see CUSA go 2-0 against Vandy.

(12-11-2014 10:47 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:26 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  We would need to go undefeated to surpass a 2 or 3 loss Boise team...Access Bowl might as well rename itself to Boise Bowl game...I am not sure any of us will ever be able to overtake the committees son in BOise, seems like they will be protected every season..

What you're doing here is making the false assumption that a C-USA school has to go unbeaten to qualify. A 2 loss Boise given a trip-up against AFA and a nuetral-site loss against Ole Miss has a stronger resume given the strength of the MWC this year and they're on an 8 game winning streak. WKU's OOC is plenty strong to match up against the same record from any other G5. Don't start playing the victim card this early; Marshall would be there right now if not for that OT loss.

WHo says I am playing the victim card, its called reality...Hell at this point I just want to see a WKU team win 9 games...

(12-11-2014 10:26 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:09 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  No offense to my WKU brethren, but I'm not ready to anoint them kings of the east just yet...Are they a frontrunner?? ABSOLUTELY!!! The WKU offense is STELLAR, but they have ZERO defense...and until they prove that they can stop someone, any good team is still in the game..and yes, I am well aware that they beat us at home (that play happened right in front of me), but what is often overlooked is that we held WKU to ten points in the second half (excluding OT)...and La Tech donkey stomped them...so...
I think the East is up for grabs this year...Not a single team is a lock

Let's not play the transitive game and no one is anointing anyone anything. What we're doing here is looking at each team for next year, and given their potential, trying to determine who has the clearest path to the top. If you win C-USA, you should be a challenger for the AB. No locks here but the team you couldn't beat at home is returning a prolific passer for his 6th year....where should we put them?

What transitive property am I applying exactly??? Answer... None... I said that they don't have a defense and cited examples supporting my opinion... That's not transitive anything.. Unless they mysteriously wave a magic wand or hire a new DC, I don't seeing the defense improving much.

Furthermore, I said they were a frontrunner. Clearly that means that they are one of the top teams. That is where they should be put...

And you are out of your mind if you think that just by winning the conference a team should automatically be considered... So you're saying a 9-4 CUSA champion should be considered for the AB???

And unfortunately, Marshall would NOT have made the AB even going undefeated. Boise passed us...and even with the win over LaTech, Boise won the MWC and there was no way we were going to pass them.

(12-11-2014 11:17 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:   What transitive property am I applying exactly??? Answer... None... I said that they don't have a defense and cited examples supporting my opinion... That's not transitive anything.. Unless they mysteriously wave a magic wand or hire a new DC, I don't seeing the defense improving much.
Furthermore, I said they were a frontrunner. Clearly that means that they are one of the top teams. That is where they should be put...
And you are out of your mind if you think that just by winning the conference a team should automatically be considered... So you're saying a 9-4 CUSA champion should be considered for the AB???
And unfortunately, Marshall would NOT have made the AB even going undefeated. Boise passed us...and even with the win over LaTech, Boise won the MWC and there was no way we were going to pass them.

An unbeaten Marshall and a two loss Boise were neck and neck going into the W. KY week. I think it was the first week that the CFP Committee got around to ranking any of the G5 (after ECU began losing); why? Probably because Marshall's undefeated season was gumming up their models. Given Marshall was finally on the radar, maybe the CFPC was finally coming around and a decent showing (i.e. win) against WKU might have put them over the top or maybe set them up with a win over La Tech and a perfect season. It's a moot point now as Marshall lost, so we'll never know. But just like FSU gets respect for being unbeaten, I think Marshall would have swayed some votes if they could have hung that goose egg.

And yes, a 9-4 C-USA team will get just as much credit for the AP if the other conference champs are sitting with similar records. Your generalizing the future on what happened this year; you can't do that, every year is different.

Finally, your transitive comment was to bring La Tech into the discussion seemingly implying that because La Tech whipped them and Marshall beat La Tech that WKU's defense is terrible. We already know that, La Tech was just one game and did nothing to further yuor argument that the East will be "up for grabs" next year.

(12-11-2014 07:26 AM)Cnelson203 Wrote:  I see things a little differently, although I think you pegged the East pretty well

Western Kentucky: (7-1) Doughty back and assuming they get some defense
Middle Tennessee: (6-2)More experience at QB
Marshall: Q(6-2) Question on O Line
FIU (4-4): STronger defense and offense starts to catch up
FAU (3-5): Like this year, they will surprise some folks
Old Dominion: (2-6); NO Heinecke = less wins
Charlotte: (0-8). Will have rough season

CUSA West:
LaTech (6-2) Dixon is the difference, along with defense
UTEP (5-3) Miners continue to improve
Rice (4-4) Think the Owls will drop a bit next year
Southern Miss (4-4) More improvement. 2016 is their break out year
North Texas: (3-5) Will rebound a little
UTSA (1-7): Huge graduating class

Don't know what our record will, but we will not be 2-6

(12-11-2014 12:58 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:17 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:   What transitive property am I applying exactly??? Answer... None... I said that they don't have a defense and cited examples supporting my opinion... That's not transitive anything.. Unless they mysteriously wave a magic wand or hire a new DC, I don't seeing the defense improving much.
Furthermore, I said they were a frontrunner. Clearly that means that they are one of the top teams. That is where they should be put...
And you are out of your mind if you think that just by winning the conference a team should automatically be considered... So you're saying a 9-4 CUSA champion should be considered for the AB???
And unfortunately, Marshall would NOT have made the AB even going undefeated. Boise passed us...and even with the win over LaTech, Boise won the MWC and there was no way we were going to pass them.

An unbeaten Marshall and a two loss Boise were neck and neck going into the W. KY week. I think it was the first week that the CFP Committee got around to ranking any of the G5 (after ECU began losing); why? Probably because Marshall's undefeated season was gumming up their models. Given Marshall was finally on the radar, maybe the CFPC was finally coming around and a decent showing (i.e. win) against WKU might have put them over the top or maybe set them up with a win over La Tech and a perfect season. It's a moot point now as Marshall lost, so we'll never know. But just like FSU gets respect for being unbeaten, I think Marshall would have swayed some votes if they could have hung that goose egg.

And yes, a 9-4 C-USA team will get just as much credit for the AP if the other conference champs are sitting with similar records. Your generalizing the future on what happened this year; you can't do that, every year is different.

Finally, your transitive comment was to bring La Tech into the discussion seemingly implying that because La Tech whipped them and Marshall beat La Tech that WKU's defense is terrible. We already know that, La Tech was just one game and did nothing to further yuor argument that the East will be "up for grabs" next year.

But that is not what you said before... You made a blanket statement that "CUSA champ should be considered for the AB" THEN you added the bold part after I commented. To think that a 9-4 CUSA team would be in the discussion with a 12-1 Boise or ECU is absurd.

And I'll concede the argument regarding the CFP...we will never know...

And the "transitive comment" certainly did further my argument that that WKU has no defense and that they can be stopped... The same way UAB, FAU, and LaTech slowed Marshall's offense way down. By having no defense, any team has a legitimate shot at them... So yes, the east IMHO is up for grabs