(12-11-2014 10:15 AM)tigersmoke1 Wrote:  This football only idea is exactly why no one wants to deal with byu. Even in desperation they come up with silly ideas that benefits them only. Please explain why the big12 would ever want a partial member when they could grab someone more geographically fit plus add elite bball plus a bridge to wvu for the same effort and money(memphis-cincy). Oh yeah no byutv or sunday issues or travel issues to deal with.. im not trolling but maybe I'm missing something, and before you say brand name please remember what the sec and acc consider byu(non p5).

Memphis does nothing in terms of travel to WVU, only UC would help as a travel partner, and it would still be 5+ hours on a bus.

If you guys start selling out the Liberty Bowl I think that'd go a long way.

(12-11-2014 04:55 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:15 AM)tigersmoke1 Wrote:  This football only idea is exactly why no one wants to deal with byu. Even in desperation they come up with silly ideas that benefits them only. Please explain why the big12 would ever want a partial member when they could grab someone more geographically fit plus add elite bball plus a bridge to wvu for the same effort and money(memphis-cincy). Oh yeah no byutv or sunday issues or travel issues to deal with.. im not trolling but maybe I'm missing something, and before you say brand name please remember what the sec and acc consider byu(non p5).

Memphis does nothing in terms of travel to WVU, only UC would help as a travel partner, and it would still be 5+ hours on a bus.

If you guys start selling out the Liberty Bowl I think that'd go a long way.

I doubt they bus to Memphis. They'll fly commerical to Memphis and its a heck of a lot shorter travel for the students than going to ISU or KU or TT.

(12-11-2014 11:53 AM)AntiG Wrote:  Agree, until the expiration of the BYU tv contract, BYU is a non starter.

But there isn't really such thing as a BYU-TV contract. What is BYU-TV exactly? It is essentially not much different than the PBS station that is situated at many state universities. It provides broadcasting of content it deems beneficial for its viewer base free of cost and with production costs covered by its donor base (for BYU its church members' donations).

Obviously BYU-TV has much greater production capabilities and reach than your local university-based PBS station, but it operates on the same principles. The increased capacity of BYU-TV came at a cost, and that cost was approved by a cohort of elderly guys who run a church, not a football program. Pulling BYU athletics out of BYU-TV would result in having spent hundreds of millions in broadcasting technology in order to broadcast reruns of Ann of Green Gables or whatever else is on BYU-TV outside of athletics.

The move to independence made BYU football a program that happened to be run at a religious school to a program heavily indebted to a parent organization that values its religious outreach/visibility more than its athletic relevance. Definitely a barrier to conference affiliation and maybe not a good idea in hindsight.

I'm not talking about BYU-TV but the exclusive rights for BYU home games that ESPN retains until 2018. I'm pretty sure that FOX would wants to be able to broadcast those games, or if they develop an official B12 network they would want priority rights.

(12-11-2014 05:17 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 04:55 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 10:15 AM)tigersmoke1 Wrote:  This football only idea is exactly why no one wants to deal with byu. Even in desperation they come up with silly ideas that benefits them only. Please explain why the big12 would ever want a partial member when they could grab someone more geographically fit plus add elite bball plus a bridge to wvu for the same effort and money(memphis-cincy). Oh yeah no byutv or sunday issues or travel issues to deal with.. im not trolling but maybe I'm missing something, and before you say brand name please remember what the sec and acc consider byu(non p5).

Memphis does nothing in terms of travel to WVU, only UC would help as a travel partner, and it would still be 5+ hours on a bus.

If you guys start selling out the Liberty Bowl I think that'd go a long way.

I doubt they bus to Memphis. They'll fly commerical to Memphis and its a heck of a lot shorter travel for the students than going to ISU or KU or TT.

Oh, I meant WVU to Cincy.

(12-11-2014 09:18 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 10:46 PM)billings Wrote:  Try to get up to date oK? BYU is not in the WAC and hasn't been since the 1998

My apologies, can't say how I could confuse Western Athletic Conference with the Western Conference. I will clarify and just say a conference out West that does not have football.

That description would still apply to both conferences listed.

BYU's other sports are in the West Coast Conference.

(12-10-2014 12:10 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Interesting article in a local Utah paper. Suggested that BYU could join the Big 12 for football only, keep it's own TV contract (not reducing the TV payout of any other Big 12 member) and be a zero-loss add until the TV contract is re-negotiated. I think this model would also work well for Boise, since the MWC TV contract is dominated by the Bronco's.

The Big 12 temporarily locks up two of the best G5 football properties, doesn't have to worry about the expense of minor sports, and gets a $30-50 million championship game (given their new value as playoff games). BYU and Boise get good opponents, good visibility, the chance to join as full members in 6 years, a portion of the playoff and bowl money, and if ESPN steps in much better national coverage of our games than the other Big 12 teams. Not everything we hoped for, but certainly better than what we have.

Hopefully, both college presidents are meeting with the Big 12 college presidents and floating this and other expansion ideas.

Go Cougs!!!!!

I would support that, since I like BYU in the WCC for basketball and that would keep them there a while longer.

But - where would Boise take their basketball?

The WAC.

(12-10-2014 12:49 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Army and BYU really should just join the AAC. It just makes sense.

(12-10-2014 12:10 PM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  Interesting article in a local Utah paper. Suggested that BYU could join the Big 12 for football only, keep it's own TV contract (not reducing the TV payout of any other Big 12 member) and be a zero-loss add until the TV contract is re-negotiated. I think this model would also work well for Boise, since the MWC TV contract is dominated by the Bronco's.

The Big 12 temporarily locks up two of the best G5 football properties, doesn't have to worry about the expense of minor sports, and gets a $30-50 million championship game (given their new value as playoff games). BYU and Boise get good opponents, good visibility, the chance to join as full members in 6 years, a portion of the playoff and bowl money, and if ESPN steps in much better national coverage of our games than the other Big 12 teams. Not everything we hoped for, but certainly better than what we have.

Hopefully, both college presidents are meeting with the Big 12 college presidents and floating this and other expansion ideas.

Go Cougs!!!!!

BYU is the only school ESPN has promoted for B12 expansion. When the network that was instrumental in keeping the B12 out of the playoff suggest expansion and recommends a school, it would be foolish for the B12 not to consider it....