(12-12-2014 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:56 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  So you mean to tell me even if you are in the market that doesn't guarantee that you will own the market. Well someone should tell GaTech & GaSt this because UGA by far has the lions share of the market in ATL and the whole state of Ga.

Pretty sure GA Tech and GA State knows it ... its rather online commentators engaging in idle conference realignment discussions who often times lose track of it.

In a city of 6m give me 5% watching a big game or 2% watching an average game. I will take that.

(12-12-2014 02:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:56 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  So you mean to tell me even if you are in the market that doesn't guarantee that you will own the market. Well someone should tell GaTech & GaSt this because UGA by far has the lions share of the market in ATL and the whole state of Ga.

Pretty sure GA Tech and GA State knows it ... its rather online commentators engaging in idle conference realignment discussions who often times lose track of it.

In a city of 6m give me 5% watching a big game or 2% watching an average game. I will take that.

Ga State does good to get 13,000 to a game, why do you think 300,000 is going to watch them on TV?

I feel sorry for Ga State it has to be really frustrating to have high expectations and then have things turn out the way they have. I like the hire of Trent Miles and Charlie Cobbs I think if they give them time they can get it turned around. Being an FBS team there is no excuse not to have 15,000 of your own fans in your stadium. As far as students coming to the games they've got to get better support, period. I think that Ga State has tried so hard to distance themselves from GS and the things that made them successful over the years that it has left them without an identity. Once you guys establish an identity the fans will come the wins will come and the market will be their for the for the taking. That's just from an outside observer.

Who is Ga State?

(12-12-2014 05:55 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I feel sorry for Ga State it has to be really frustrating to have high expectations and then have things turn out the way they have. I like the hire of Trent Miles and Charlie Cobbs I think if they give them time they can get it turned around. Being an FBS team there is no excuse not to have 15,000 of your own fans in your stadium. As far as students coming to the games they've got to get better support, period. I think that Ga State has tried so hard to distance themselves from GS and the things that made them successful over the years that it has left them without an identity. Once you guys establish an identity the fans will come the wins will come and the market will be their for the for the taking. That's just from an outside observer.

Who is Ga State?

As with most urban schools the majority of students don't live on campus and there is a lot of other stuff to do than attending football games.

(12-12-2014 06:01 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 05:55 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I feel sorry for Ga State it has to be really frustrating to have high expectations and then have things turn out the way they have. I like the hire of Trent Miles and Charlie Cobbs I think if they give them time they can get it turned around. Being an FBS team there is no excuse not to have 15,000 of your own fans in your stadium. As far as students coming to the games they've got to get better support, period. I think that Ga State has tried so hard to distance themselves from GS and the things that made them successful over the years that it has left them without an identity. Once you guys establish an identity the fans will come the wins will come and the market will be their for the for the taking. That's just from an outside observer.

Who is Ga State?

As with most urban schools the majority of students don't live on campus and there is a lot of other stuff to do than attending football games.

And are a higher average age than a regular university.

(12-12-2014 02:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  Pretty sure GA Tech and GA State knows it ... its rather online commentators engaging in idle conference realignment discussions who often times lose track of it.

In a city of 6m give me 5% watching a big game or 2% watching an average game. I will take that.

Precisely ... where that can be delivered, that is a different story. A 4% to 10% share of a TV audience that might be half that population would be 120,000-300,000 people. Its a ways from the numbers delivered by the big programs in the heart of their markets, but in today's fractured media markets, if its live sports programming where most of those people can't be fast forwarding through the ads, its something.

(12-11-2014 02:03 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  Yea after the "buzz" that was created in the big east I think Tulane is in their final home. New empty stadium. Area residence already bitching about what its done to the neighborhood. Baseball declining fast over the last several years and non existent hoops.

Uh, not quite. The stadium was not empty. The residents are not complaining, especially as property values adjacent to the stadium have risen since its construction. About 7 neighbors were bitching before construction, and Tulane foolishly cowtowed to their demands.
And don't worry, most of the seats are sold for the next 5 years at real money - not student freebies nor $10 escort tickets.

(12-13-2014 02:18 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 02:03 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  Yea after the "buzz" that was created in the big east I think Tulane is in their final home. New empty stadium. Area residence already bitching about what its done to the neighborhood. Baseball declining fast over the last several years and non existent hoops.

Uh, not quite. The stadium was not empty. The residents are not complaining, especially as property values adjacent to the stadium have risen since its construction. About 7 neighbors were bitching before construction, and Tulane foolishly cowtowed to their demands.
And don't worry, most of the seats are sold for the next 5 years at real money - not student freebies nor $10 escort tickets.

Halloween must be more than once a year and the 2lane fans dressed as empty seats. If someone buys a seat and doesnt use it for 5 years will they buy it again in year 6??? Football will never be anything at tulane.

(12-12-2014 02:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:56 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  So you mean to tell me even if you are in the market that doesn't guarantee that you will own the market. Well someone should tell GaTech & GaSt this because UGA by far has the lions share of the market in ATL and the whole state of Ga.

Pretty sure GA Tech and GA State knows it ... its rather online commentators engaging in idle conference realignment discussions who often times lose track of it.

In a city of 6m give me 5% watching a big game or 2% watching an average game. I will take that.

The question is would Ga Southern have as good or better ratings in Atlanta despite the fact we are an in state team 3 hours away? Would significant numbers of the 6 million watch GaSt over Ga Southern because they are based in Atlanta?

I'm not so sure and if Ga Southern continues to gain national press with solid football, we will definitely outdraw GaSt in Atlanta.

(12-12-2014 04:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:56 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  So you mean to tell me even if you are in the market that doesn't guarantee that you will own the market. Well someone should tell GaTech & GaSt this because UGA by far has the lions share of the market in ATL and the whole state of Ga.

Pretty sure GA Tech and GA State knows it ... its rather online commentators engaging in idle conference realignment discussions who often times lose track of it.

In a city of 6m give me 5% watching a big game or 2% watching an average game. I will take that.

Ga State does good to get 13,000 to a game, why do you think 300,000 is going to watch them on TV?

Do not underestimate the power of channel surfers in a huge city. There are people who will watch sports if it's the only game on regardless of who is playing. There are people that may watch it by mistake.

When your in a city the size of Atlanta the potential of that happening increases a lot.

(12-14-2014 12:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 04:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:56 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  So you mean to tell me even if you are in the market that doesn't guarantee that you will own the market. Well someone should tell GaTech & GaSt this because UGA by far has the lions share of the market in ATL and the whole state of Ga.

Pretty sure GA Tech and GA State knows it ... its rather online commentators engaging in idle conference realignment discussions who often times lose track of it.

In a city of 6m give me 5% watching a big game or 2% watching an average game. I will take that.

Ga State does good to get 13,000 to a game, why do you think 300,000 is going to watch them on TV?

Do not underestimate the power of channel surfers in a huge city. There are people who will watch sports if it's the only game on regardless of who is playing. There are people that may watch it by mistake.

When your in a city the size of Atlanta the potential of that happening increases a lot.

it is hard for a non flagship school in a metro area to be relevant when there are so many other sports options. see smu/uta/uh for instance. they need to bring in name teams and beat a few of them

(12-12-2014 06:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 06:01 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 05:55 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I feel sorry for Ga State it has to be really frustrating to have high expectations and then have things turn out the way they have. I like the hire of Trent Miles and Charlie Cobbs I think if they give them time they can get it turned around. Being an FBS team there is no excuse not to have 15,000 of your own fans in your stadium. As far as students coming to the games they've got to get better support, period. I think that Ga State has tried so hard to distance themselves from GS and the things that made them successful over the years that it has left them without an identity. Once you guys establish an identity the fans will come the wins will come and the market will be their for the for the taking. That's just from an outside observer.

Who is Ga State?

As with most urban schools the majority of students don't live on campus and there is a lot of other stuff to do than attending football games.

And are a higher average age than a regular university.

Those folks are just there to get a piece of paper to help them get a better job. Most have jobs and little time for sporting events. They're not because they fell in love with the campus or drawn by sports teams. They aren't likely to become a rabid fan base.

(12-17-2014 10:29 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 06:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 06:01 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 05:55 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I feel sorry for Ga State it has to be really frustrating to have high expectations and then have things turn out the way they have. I like the hire of Trent Miles and Charlie Cobbs I think if they give them time they can get it turned around. Being an FBS team there is no excuse not to have 15,000 of your own fans in your stadium. As far as students coming to the games they've got to get better support, period. I think that Ga State has tried so hard to distance themselves from GS and the things that made them successful over the years that it has left them without an identity. Once you guys establish an identity the fans will come the wins will come and the market will be their for the for the taking. That's just from an outside observer.

Who is Ga State?

As with most urban schools the majority of students don't live on campus and there is a lot of other stuff to do than attending football games.

And are a higher average age than a regular university.

Those folks are just there to get a piece of paper to help them get a better job. Most have jobs and little time for sporting events. They're not because they fell in love with the campus or drawn by sports teams. They aren't likely to become a rabid fan base.

Sure, for graduate degress, which is true for all schools, not just urban.

(12-14-2014 12:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  There are people who will watch sports if it's the only game on regardless of who is playing.

When is a CFB game going to be the only game on TV? Not on Saturday. Every Saturday time slot from 9 am PT start times through 7:30 pm PT start times has at least 3 televised games, and the "middle time slots" have as many as 8 or more if your TV provider has as many channels as possible.

(12-17-2014 11:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:29 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 06:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 06:01 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 05:55 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I feel sorry for Ga State it has to be really frustrating to have high expectations and then have things turn out the way they have. I like the hire of Trent Miles and Charlie Cobbs I think if they give them time they can get it turned around. Being an FBS team there is no excuse not to have 15,000 of your own fans in your stadium. As far as students coming to the games they've got to get better support, period. I think that Ga State has tried so hard to distance themselves from GS and the things that made them successful over the years that it has left them without an identity. Once you guys establish an identity the fans will come the wins will come and the market will be their for the for the taking. That's just from an outside observer.

Who is Ga State?

As with most urban schools the majority of students don't live on campus and there is a lot of other stuff to do than attending football games.

And are a higher average age than a regular university.

Those folks are just there to get a piece of paper to help them get a better job. Most have jobs and little time for sporting events. They're not because they fell in love with the campus or drawn by sports teams. They aren't likely to become a rabid fan base.

Sure, for graduate degress, which is true for all schools, not just urban.

What is the average age of the undergrad population at GA St. vs. GS? It isn't relegated to just graduate programs.

(12-17-2014 11:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-17-2014 10:29 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 06:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 06:01 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 05:55 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  I feel sorry for Ga State it has to be really frustrating to have high expectations and then have things turn out the way they have. I like the hire of Trent Miles and Charlie Cobbs I think if they give them time they can get it turned around. Being an FBS team there is no excuse not to have 15,000 of your own fans in your stadium. As far as students coming to the games they've got to get better support, period. I think that Ga State has tried so hard to distance themselves from GS and the things that made them successful over the years that it has left them without an identity. Once you guys establish an identity the fans will come the wins will come and the market will be their for the for the taking. That's just from an outside observer.

Who is Ga State?

As with most urban schools the majority of students don't live on campus and there is a lot of other stuff to do than attending football games.

And are a higher average age than a regular university.

Those folks are just there to get a piece of paper to help them get a better job. Most have jobs and little time for sporting events. They're not because they fell in love with the campus or drawn by sports teams. They aren't likely to become a rabid fan base.

Sure, for graduate degress, which is true for all schools, not just urban.

Wow. Sounds like youre talking about GSU circa 1994. Just FYI, our undergrad average age is pretty normal and our transfer out rate is not high at all anymore. We also have 9k students living downtown on or near campus. As for a rabid fan base it just takes winning as evidenced by MBB where we are one of the toughest mid major arenas to play in in the country and havent lost at home in in 3 seasons.





The Turner Field project wlll be transformative in the same way as our academic building has been downtown.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/college/g...oot/nfq8R/

(12-14-2014 12:43 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 04:20 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 02:08 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 07:29 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:56 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  So you mean to tell me even if you are in the market that doesn't guarantee that you will own the market. Well someone should tell GaTech & GaSt this because UGA by far has the lions share of the market in ATL and the whole state of Ga.

Pretty sure GA Tech and GA State knows it ... its rather online commentators engaging in idle conference realignment discussions who often times lose track of it.

In a city of 6m give me 5% watching a big game or 2% watching an average game. I will take that.

Ga State does good to get 13,000 to a game, why do you think 300,000 is going to watch them on TV?

Do not underestimate the power of channel surfers in a huge city. There are people who will watch sports if it's the only game on regardless of who is playing. There are people that may watch it by mistake.

When your in a city the size of Atlanta the potential of that happening increases a lot.

This

I have had countless people say to me, hey I saw your team this past weekend on TV...

(12-18-2014 12:16 PM)panama Wrote:  Wow. Sounds like youre talking about GSU circa 1994. Just FYI, our undergrad average age is pretty normal and our transfer out rate is not high at all anymore. We also have 9k students living downtown on or near campus. As for a rabid fan base it just takes winning as evidenced by MBB where we are one of the toughest mid major arenas to play in in the country and havent lost at home in in 3 seasons.

A box is a box regardless of how loud its inhabitants are screaming.

The point is that there are inhabitants screaming