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Their QB, Vad Lee just beat out TH for the Dudley Award. It was obvious that TH wasn't going to win but IMO this was his best season.

(12-10-2014 08:59 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:51 PM)GO_MONARKS Wrote:  I hope we break the 2 (or 3) game MBB losing streak this year to W&M. Does Thorton still play?

Sure does. This is Thornton's senior year. Hopefully he doesn't drop 32 on us again. It was a bummer of a drive home last year and almost solely because of his play.

Yikes!!!

(12-10-2014 01:41 PM)djnva Wrote:  Aren't there rumors of a new convo center for them as well?

They still don't fit.

Our attendance for football would already rank us in the top half of the CUSA. Our budget (especially after the additional $$$ commitment for FBS) would be far and way the highest in CUSA. As mentioned above, JMU has plans underway for a new basketball arena that, unlike ODU's football stadium, has already been approved to move forward.

While we have no TV market, neither does Marshall, Southern Miss, La Tech, MTSU, WKU, or any of the other schools they are discussing adding (South Alabama, Liberty, Arkansas State, ULL).

As for not being a national university, you got us there. Our admin has not communicated a vision for athletics and many on our board have argued about this again and again. However, that national university ranking is merely a measure of our post-graduate programs and no one would argue that academically, JMU ranks among the best of them for their undergraduate program.

Long story short, I have my doubts about JMU getting into CUSA. However, I think JMU's pros and cons are no better or worse than any other school that would be considered.

If CUSA wants an eastern school, I think JMU becomes heavily considered. If they don't, well then we never had a shot to begin with.

(12-11-2014 11:29 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:41 PM)djnva Wrote:  Aren't there rumors of a new convo center for them as well?

They still don't fit.

Our attendance for football would already rank us in the top half of the CUSA. Our budget (especially after the additional $$$ commitment for FBS) would be far and way the highest in CUSA. As mentioned above, JMU has plans underway for a new basketball arena that, unlike ODU's football stadium, has already been approved to move forward.

While we have no TV market, neither does Marshall, Southern Miss, La Tech, MTSU, WKU, or any of the other schools they are discussing adding (South Alabama, Liberty, Arkansas State, ULL).

As for not being a national university, you got us there. Our admin has not communicated a vision for athletics and many on our board have argued about this again and again. However, that national university ranking is merely a measure of our post-graduate programs and no one would argue that academically, JMU ranks among the best of them for their undergraduate program.

Long story short, I have my doubts about JMU getting into CUSA. However, I think JMU's pros and cons are no better or worse than any other school that would be considered.

If CUSA wants an eastern school, I think JMU becomes heavily considered. If they don't, well then we never had a shot to begin with.

Where is 78 when you need him?

(12-11-2014 11:56 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Where is 78 when you need him?

(12-11-2014 11:29 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:41 PM)djnva Wrote:  Aren't there rumors of a new convo center for them as well?

They still don't fit.

Our attendance for football would already rank us in the top half of the CUSA. Our budget (especially after the additional $$$ commitment for FBS) would be far and way the highest in CUSA. As mentioned above, JMU has plans underway for a new basketball arena that, unlike ODU's football stadium, has already been approved to move forward.

While we have no TV market, neither does Marshall, Southern Miss, La Tech, MTSU, WKU, or any of the other schools they are discussing adding (South Alabama, Liberty, Arkansas State, ULL).

As for not being a national university, you got us there. Our admin has not communicated a vision for athletics and many on our board have argued about this again and again. However, that national university ranking is merely a measure of our post-graduate programs and no one would argue that academically, JMU ranks among the best of them for their undergraduate program.

Long story short, I have my doubts about JMU getting into CUSA. However, I think JMU's pros and cons are no better or worse than any other school that would be considered.

If CUSA wants an eastern school, I think JMU becomes heavily considered. If they don't, well then we never had a shot to begin with.

That is not entirely correct. While the authority to use bonds for this project was granted by the state, the JMU administration has demanded that a substantial (12-15 million) sum be raised up front before the project can commence, even to the design phase and commissioning of an architect. The JMU BOT has yet to even approved of the finance plan, much less the project

Quote:Once JMU is able to hit its initial fundraising target, King said, the design phase of the project will commence. That, he said, is expected to take about 12 months to complete. Another 18 to 24 months after that would then be needed for the actual construction of the facility, according to King.

However, King noted that not all of the $87.5 million must be in hand for Madison to move forward and break ground on the new arena, which is slated to be built near the school's old softball field on University Boulevard. Once the university hits its $12- to $15-million initial fundraising goal, King said much of the rest of the project will be financed through bond offerings that JMU will repay with interest to the Virginia Department of Treasury over 20 to 25 years.

In addition to private donations and the bonds, King said other funding sources include student fees, ticket sales, concessions and rental fees for other uses of the Convo.

King said the university's board of visitors must approve the project's financing plan before construction can begin. The Virginia General Assembly has already given JMU the go-ahead to raise money for the arena, but if the school decided to spend more than its original mark of $87.5 million, it would need to go back to the General Assembly for approval, King said.

https://jamesmadison.rivals.com/barrier_...id=1639186

(12-11-2014 11:29 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:41 PM)djnva Wrote:  Aren't there rumors of a new convo center for them as well?

They still don't fit.

Our attendance for football would already rank us in the top half of the CUSA. Our budget (especially after the additional $$$ commitment for FBS) would be far and way the highest in CUSA. As mentioned above, JMU has plans underway for a new basketball arena that, unlike ODU's football stadium, has already been approved to move forward.

While we have no TV market, neither does Marshall, Southern Miss, La Tech, MTSU, WKU, or any of the other schools they are discussing adding (South Alabama, Liberty, Arkansas State, ULL).

As for not being a national university, you got us there. Our admin has not communicated a vision for athletics and many on our board have argued about this again and again. However, that national university ranking is merely a measure of our post-graduate programs and no one would argue that academically, JMU ranks among the best of them for their undergraduate program.

Long story short, I have my doubts about JMU getting into CUSA. However, I think JMU's pros and cons are no better or worse than any other school that would be considered.

If CUSA wants an eastern school, I think JMU becomes heavily considered. If they don't, well then we never had a shot to begin with.

Personally, I am not adverse to the idea of sharing a conference with JMU (again). It would be nice to have another drivable game. However, I think that there are a couple of factors aren't in your favor, and unfortunately, they are also beyond your control. The first is your location. It's been speculated that CUSA would be looking "West" for a replacement; at best they are looking for bridge between the two divisions. The second is your FCS status. I think that for the purposes of scheduling and SOS they would probably prefer going with a program that did not have to go through two years of transition.

Who knows what conferences and member presidents think....

What the UAB situation shows is that it is equally important to look at the future vs the past when vetting members. UAB won't be the last FBS program dropping football, and it is good to look at commitment and potential when considering invitations.

We'll see. We know ODU would prefer an eastern member vs another western. Charlotte is in our camp as well. That's not near enough, but at least our administration is actually awake this time.

Dolly's back!!! It's like CAAZone v2.0!!

Well Hello Dolly!!!!!

...nice to see you back where you belong.

(12-11-2014 11:29 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:41 PM)djnva Wrote:  Aren't there rumors of a new convo center for them as well?

They still don't fit.

Our attendance for football would already rank us in the top half of the CUSA. Our budget (especially after the additional $$$ commitment for FBS) would be far and way the highest in CUSA. As mentioned above, JMU has plans underway for a new basketball arena that, unlike ODU's football stadium, has already been approved to move forward.

While we have no TV market, neither does Marshall, Southern Miss, La Tech, MTSU, WKU, or any of the other schools they are discussing adding (South Alabama, Liberty, Arkansas State, ULL).

As for not being a national university, you got us there. Our admin has not communicated a vision for athletics and many on our board have argued about this again and again. However, that national university ranking is merely a measure of our post-graduate programs and no one would argue that academically, JMU ranks among the best of them for their undergraduate program.

Long story short, I have my doubts about JMU getting into CUSA. However, I think JMU's pros and cons are no better or worse than any other school that would be considered.

If CUSA wants an eastern school, I think JMU becomes heavily considered. If they don't, well then we never had a shot to begin with.

There is one big con that I think is the deciding factor. I appears CUSA doesn't think it can afford to add another FCS team this time around. If that were not an issue, I think JMU would be the front runner.

(12-12-2014 08:36 AM)bigblueodu Wrote:  ...nice to see you back where you belong.

your lookin swell.....Dolly...

Remember when we and UNCC were added the Access Bowl wasn't in place. Now strength of schedule is more important. Even if Marshall had gone undefeated in CUSA, they may of missed out on that bid because of schedule. Teams will be looking at that component going forward in adding teams.

(12-12-2014 10:37 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 11:29 AM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:41 PM)djnva Wrote:  Aren't there rumors of a new convo center for them as well?

They still don't fit.

Our attendance for football would already rank us in the top half of the CUSA. Our budget (especially after the additional $$$ commitment for FBS) would be far and way the highest in CUSA. As mentioned above, JMU has plans underway for a new basketball arena that, unlike ODU's football stadium, has already been approved to move forward.

While we have no TV market, neither does Marshall, Southern Miss, La Tech, MTSU, WKU, or any of the other schools they are discussing adding (South Alabama, Liberty, Arkansas State, ULL).

As for not being a national university, you got us there. Our admin has not communicated a vision for athletics and many on our board have argued about this again and again. However, that national university ranking is merely a measure of our post-graduate programs and no one would argue that academically, JMU ranks among the best of them for their undergraduate program.

Long story short, I have my doubts about JMU getting into CUSA. However, I think JMU's pros and cons are no better or worse than any other school that would be considered.

If CUSA wants an eastern school, I think JMU becomes heavily considered. If they don't, well then we never had a shot to begin with.

There is one big con that I think is the deciding factor. I appears CUSA doesn't think it can afford to add another FCS team this time around. If that were not an issue, I think JMU would be the front runner.

-There is no indication as of yet that CUSA will even replace UAB.
We operated this year at thirteen without major issues. CUSA may decide to wait and see how all of the Big XII stuff plays out and the subsequent potential for domino effects.

The CUSA presidents were clear (voted not to exapand) that despite commissioner Banowsky's efforts, there is no intent to expand whatsoever. I think it likely that they would be very happy at twelve, especially given the 12 team cap on the College Football Payout.

Undergraduate selectivity is not the "end all" to academics as a whole. There is a lot more to it.
As I stated above, there are currently only Two CUSA schools that are not National universities.

TV markets are a factor
Dolley,
while La tech and WKU are indeed in small markets as are ULL and aState; Marahall is in DMA #65, MTSU #29, South Alabama is in #60. Liberty is not in consideration for CUSA, but IS in a top 100 DMA at #67.
Unless you are in Florida or Texas, you really don't need but one team from any given State.


We need a western add if we add at all.

at this point I hope they don't do anything. including keeping UAB for the other sports.

I don't think the UAB situation is close to cleared up. IMO the conference should take a wait-and-see posture regarding UAB. With their President Watts recieving a vote of no confidence, and apparently on the ropes, it could be that they pull off some eleventh hour rescue of their program. I certainly hope so. It is also my opinion that if UAB fails to have the decision to kill their football program overturned that they should be given the opportunity to stay on as a non-football member. It should be made clear that such a move is an exception due to unprecidented, and unforeseen circumstances. Keeping a non-football UAB would be a win-win IMO, because they are a charter member and have a certain level of comfort built-in with CUSA, and the conference needs to keep them as they represent a solid market, and traditionally excellent basketball and olympic athletics.

(12-12-2014 10:59 AM)GO_MONARKS Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 08:36 AM)bigblueodu Wrote:  ...nice to see you back where you belong.

your lookin swell.....Dolly...

I can tell........... Dolly.....

(12-12-2014 03:14 PM)TedHead Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 10:59 AM)GO_MONARKS Wrote:  

(12-12-2014 08:36 AM)bigblueodu Wrote:  ...nice to see you back where you belong.

your lookin swell.....Dolly...

I can tell........... Dolly.....

You're still going, you're stiill going, you're still going strong!

I wish what happened to UAB football hadn't, but that die is cast. Once you announce that the program is done, it's done. Everyone's looking for a lifeboat, coaches and players alike, and even if they announced an immediate and unbreakable reversal of the shutdown decision, there's no way they don't lose a ton of players who don't have any confidence in the short-term future of the program.

There's no unringing this bell.

(12-12-2014 04:27 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I wish what happened to UAB football hadn't, but that die is cast. Once you announce that the program is done, it's done. Everyone's looking for a lifeboat, coaches and players alike, and even if they announced an immediate and unbreakable reversal of the shutdown decision, there's no way they don't lose a ton of players who don't have any confidence in the short-term future of the program.

There's no unringing this bell.

I agree, their players will be starting the spring semester at other schools by the time the faculty vote takes place

I've got the feeling the conference will ask them to leave and add another before summer but who knows who that will be. When WKU was added NMSU was rumored as being next in line but I haven't heard them mentioned so much this time around. A lot of politics involved