(12-09-2014 06:53 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 02:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  if the ACC needed a #16, I'd go in this order:

1. Cincinnati - gets into Ohio
2. Navy (football only) + Georgetown (all other sports) - gets into Maryland
3. Memphis - gets into Tennessee
4. Houston, Rice, or SMU - gets into Texas, but boy that's a long commute!

I hope it is Texas and Notre Dame. Then to minimize the traveling cost, it has to be North vs South.

I thought we were assuming no P5 movement at all. If we can get Notre Dame and Texas then sure!

(12-09-2014 07:15 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't believe ND would lobby that hard for Navy. Outside of football, ND rarely schedules Navy. Yes, they did schedule a mens BB game this year. Navy football is G5 caliber but the rest of their (many, many) sports are FCS level. Navy has national name recognition but do they really deliver the MD/DC area?

I think the idea is that Navy would be football-only. It's been batted around that they would be paired with a non-football FCS school to fill out the sports where they can't compete at the highest level due to Academy rules (height restrictions, e.g.). If that's the plan, I say we call Davidson, Richmond, Georgetown, Villanova and St. Johns, and the first to say yes gets the spot.

(Maybe call Georgetown a day or two ahead of the others -- I live in the DC area and media coverage of VT and UVA plus Navy football and Georgetown basketball would more than make up for the loss of Maryland, by far. And it would revive the Syracuse/Georgetown basketball rivalry in the ACC.)

(12-09-2014 11:06 PM)opossum Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 07:15 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't believe ND would lobby that hard for Navy. Outside of football, ND rarely schedules Navy. Yes, they did schedule a mens BB game this year. Navy football is G5 caliber but the rest of their (many, many) sports are FCS level. Navy has national name recognition but do they really deliver the MD/DC area?

I think the idea is that Navy would be football-only. It's been batted around that they would be paired with a non-football FCS school to fill out the sports where they can't compete at the highest level due to Academy rules (height restrictions, e.g.). If that's the plan, I say we call Davidson, Richmond, Georgetown, Villanova and St. Johns, and the first to say yes gets the spot.

(Maybe call Georgetown a day or two ahead of the others -- I live in the DC area and media coverage of VT and UVA plus Navy football and Georgetown basketball would more than make up for the loss of Maryland, by far. And it would revive the Syracuse/Georgetown basketball rivalry in the ACC.)

If Navy became the hinge pin for Notre Dame's full membership you can bet your ass it would happen in a nano second. I'd be for it. Navy offers a beautiful campus and a very unique game day experience. Great school, great history, better football than you think and a TON of class. I love the Navy / Georgetown combo idea. Wow. Pull in DC with a master stroke ND/Navy/Georgetown deal. Awesome...and what a basketball league. SEC schools are NOT coming into the ACC. They only school that would remotely consider it would be UK. They were offered it during CM Newtons tenure and turned it down.

Navy would never be invited.

(12-10-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Navy would never be invited.

You're right unless Notre Dame demanded it for full membership. Then you can bet your house it would happen.

(12-10-2014 08:34 AM)RedGrad Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Navy would never be invited.

You're right unless Notre Dame demanded it for full membership. Then you can bet your house it would happen.

Notre Dame would never ask for such consideration because Navy would never ask them to be that accommodating. Navy joined the AAC mainly due to scheduling difficulties. Financially, Navy is doing fine, the money from the AAC will be a nice adder but is not needed to support Navy Athletics.

Just because Navy has played various ACC schools over the past 30 years, doesn't mean the school is capable of withstanding the rigors of an full P5 schedule. I'm wary of Navy actually being able to compete in the AAC.

Can any of you see a basic trade out of Notre Dame and Wake Forest sometime in the next 5 years? I ask respectfully for all the WF fans here, but I thought I read something a few weeks ago about a study being done on keeping football in D1 FBS. Not sure how valid it was/is, but it could be possible that ends up being a trade out.

How would:

BC, SU, PSU, Pitt, UL, ND, VT, and Miami <-- North

FSU, GT, Clemson, UNC, Duke, WF, NCSU, UVA <-- South

Stand as a conference relative to the SEC, Pac 12, and B1G (with whoever you think that they could get to replace PSU)?

(12-10-2014 10:43 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Can any of you see a basic trade out of Notre Dame and Wake Forest sometime in the next 5 years?

Hell no.

Quote:I ask respectfully for all the WF fans here, but I thought I read something a few weeks ago about a study being done on keeping football in D1 FBS. Not sure how valid it was/is, but it could be possible that ends up being a trade out.

What kind of b---s---- suggestion is that?

Wake Forest is not going to drop football, nor are we gonna swap it out for ND. In fact, if it wasn't for the under-the-radar negotions involving Wake Forest's administration, I don't think ND is an ACC member at all.

(12-10-2014 08:34 AM)RedGrad Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Navy would never be invited.

You're right unless Notre Dame demanded it for full membership. Then you can bet your house it would happen.

You should have stopped there. Navy will never be in the ACC.

(12-10-2014 11:10 AM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 10:43 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Can any of you see a basic trade out of Notre Dame and Wake Forest sometime in the next 5 years?

Hell no.

Quote:I ask respectfully for all the WF fans here, but I thought I read something a few weeks ago about a study being done on keeping football in D1 FBS. Not sure how valid it was/is, but it could be possible that ends up being a trade out.

What kind of b---s---- suggestion is that?

Wake Forest is not going to drop football, nor are we gonna swap it out for ND. In fact, if it wasn't for the under-the-radar negotions involving Wake Forest's administration, I don't think ND is an ACC member at all.

That's why I supported it with the question on if that article was true and had legs.

(12-10-2014 11:16 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 08:34 AM)RedGrad Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 02:01 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Navy would never be invited.

You're right unless Notre Dame demanded it for full membership. Then you can bet your house it would happen.

You should have stopped there. Navy will never be in the ACC.

When your only tool is hammer it's funny how everything becomes a nail. Calm down and read. I never said I thought Navy was coming to the ACC like you so badly want to convict me of. It's a hypothetical. All I said is - If in some wild universe Notre Dame offered its full membership hinged on the inclusion of one more of its traditional foes (Navy) in my opinion the ACC would do it. Notre Dame is a VERY valuable commodity. Ok? Put your .45 back in the holster and relax. It's a mirage.

I think Vanderbilt would fit well in the ACC. Academics, potential at football with the right coach and usually has a good basketball team.

West Virginia would be the obvious choice, with world-class academics (think of it as the Parsons College of Appalachia) and a huge market (the population of the entire state compares favorably with any number of mid-sized metropolitan areas).

16 teams....3 permanent opponents 1 perm rival, yada yada yada

Add Baylor and TCU

Well going to 16 teams by adding Notre Dame for football and Cincinnati and West Virginia for all-sports, while losing Wake Forest would make the ACC a much stronger conference.

(12-10-2014 02:46 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Well going to 16 teams by adding Notre Dame for football and Cincinnati and West Virginia for all-sports, while losing Wake Forest would make the ACC a much stronger conference.

(12-10-2014 03:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 02:46 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Well going to 16 teams by adding Notre Dame for football and Cincinnati and West Virginia for all-sports, while losing Wake Forest would make the ACC a much stronger conference.

I agree.

Complete

(12-10-2014 03:53 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 03:38 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 02:46 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:   Well going to 16 teams by adding Notre Dame for football and Cincinnati and West Virginia for all-sports, while losing Wake Forest would make the ACC a much stronger conference.

I agree.

Complete

WVU is trapped now in the Big12. GOR for the league is nasty. Maybe the Big12 goes west and let's em out but that's far fetched. I think they're locked for 10 yrs.

(12-10-2014 01:29 PM)7thHeaven Wrote:  I think Vanderbilt would fit well in the ACC. Academics, potential at football with the right coach and usually has a good basketball team.

Vandy? Umm, no way. Their football program is worse than Wake Forest's and their basketball has been getting worse every year. Add to that the SEC funneling them tons of money and they'd never leave even if we wanted them. Well, they could get kicked out... but still.