(12-08-2014 04:55 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Big 12 would have to go west in this case (WVU leaving). BYU football only, CSU full time member, maybe UNM full time.

Why would the Big 12 have to do anything if WVU left? If they stay at 10, why not 8 or 9? The Big 12 is sitting pretty as long as Texas is there.

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(12-08-2014 09:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:55 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Big 12 would have to go west in this case (WVU leaving). BYU football only, CSU full time member, maybe UNM full time.

Why would the Big 12 have to do anything if WVU left? If they stay at 10, why not 8 or 9? The Big 12 is sitting pretty as long as Texas is there.

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Because their television contract is predicated upon the presence of 10 member schools minimally.

(12-08-2014 08:33 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:20 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:12 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:03 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  How is Kansas different than UConn great basketball, crappy footbal?

Crappy football and great basketball with history. The NC schools would like to play Kansas. UConn has only had their brand of crappy football for a decade.

Pass on Kansas.

ESPN didn't.

Geographically Kansas doesn't fit. ACC has plenty of basketball already. ACC needs to beef up football. Kansas doesn't fit the bill. Outside of Texas/OU...I think the only Big 12 school I would take is West Virginia.

Seriously, please no Big 12 teams other than West Virginia. I wouldn't even want Texas or OU. Pitt has nothing in common with those teams.

(12-08-2014 09:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:44 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 04:55 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Big 12 would have to go west in this case (WVU leaving). BYU football only, CSU full time member, maybe UNM full time.

Why would the Big 12 have to do anything if WVU left? If they stay at 10, why not 8 or 9? The Big 12 is sitting pretty as long as Texas is there.

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Because their television contract is predicated upon the presence of 10 member schools minimally.

So they renegotiate.

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I like the acc jumping to 18 with uconn, wvu, and cincy + ESPN starting a network

A: UVA, VTECH,UNC, DUke, NC state ,Wake
B: BC, Uconn, Cuse, ND, Pitt, WVU
C: Cincy, Lville, Clem, Gtech, FSU, Miami

football format 5-2-2, hoop 10-3-3…navy would play 3-4 ND football games. With deregulation of the champ game, the acc can put the top 2 ranked teams in the title game. Big 12 could add BYU, Col state and boise. Yet, down road ESPN could shift texas, texas tech, OU, and Ok state into the SEC and copy the above 18 team ACC format for the sec.

A. is probably the best answer. But inviting WVU and Cincinnati would be great. I would love that. Those would both be competitive teams in football and basketball.

I never included WVU as an option because I figured the GOR still had too many years. BTW, great debate...

(12-08-2014 02:58 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  definitely A. conference title game autonomy will likely pass, which means we don't need to worry about having an even number if ND ever goes all in (not likely anyway, IMO). if that happens, invite ND and hold at 15 teams - no divisions, 2 permanent rivals, 6 rotating, which takes 2 years to play everyone.

in short, wait for a big fish.

I agree with ren.hoek. The only reason I would consider option B is if ESPN requested it for starting a conference TV network.

(12-08-2014 08:12 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:03 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:21 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 06:17 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Whom would/should the ACC choose between
Baylor, TCU, Kansas State, WVU, Kansas, Iowa State, Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn, USF, UCF?

The ACC would love Kansas.

How is Kansas different than UConn great basketball, crappy footbal?

Crappy football and great basketball with history. The NC schools would like to play Kansas. UConn has only had their brand of crappy football for a decade.

.......and 4 Men's NC's since 1999. I guess the ACC has decided championships are so last century!!!

(12-08-2014 07:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

First you must offer an on field product that compels those TV sets be turned on. However your dichotomous approach to sports emphasis will never work. But keep dreaming big. Maybe by 2021 when those sublet rights are back in hand to allow you to form your own network then finally that payout dust settling down upon the ACC won't seem quite so insurmountable.

I know well this isn't plausible until at least the ACC GOR expires. But I'm hoping by then the ACCN is in position to really pull ahead and push away from the other conferences. And I think TN : ACC :: Arkansas : Big 12. They have done quite well in their current conference ... but there is probably an even better fit to be had next door. All the far away SEC games haven't held the same luster after the Fulmer collapse. Games against Florida and Bama aren't some huge national draw any more. Kentucky and Vanderbilt are rivalries in name only, even with a hugely down TN program. You'd have natural rivalries with Clemson and VT as well as nearby games against WF and UofL. It would actually be a historically renewed rivalry against GT.

(12-09-2014 12:45 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

First you must offer an on field product that compels those TV sets be turned on. However your dichotomous approach to sports emphasis will never work. But keep dreaming big. Maybe by 2021 when those sublet rights are back in hand to allow you to form your own network then finally that payout dust settling down upon the ACC won't seem quite so insurmountable.

I know well this isn't plausible until at least the ACC GOR expires. But I'm hoping by then the ACCN is in position to really pull ahead and push away from the other conferences. And I think TN : ACC :: Arkansas : Big 12. They have done quite well in their current conference ... but there is probably an even better fit to be had next door. All the far away SEC games haven't held the same luster after the Fulmer collapse. Games against Florida and Bama aren't some huge national draw any more. Kentucky and Vanderbilt are rivalries in name only, even with a hugely down TN program. You'd have natural rivalries with Clemson and VT as well as nearby games against WF and UofL. It would actually be a historically renewed rivalry against GT.

While we're dreaming wildly, Tennessee and Penn State would be amazing, and make the ACC rivalries galore.

(12-09-2014 12:56 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  While we're dreaming wildly, Tennessee and Penn State would be amazing, and make the ACC rivalries galore.

I'm GTS and I approve this message.

(12-09-2014 12:56 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 12:45 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

First you must offer an on field product that compels those TV sets be turned on. However your dichotomous approach to sports emphasis will never work. But keep dreaming big. Maybe by 2021 when those sublet rights are back in hand to allow you to form your own network then finally that payout dust settling down upon the ACC won't seem quite so insurmountable.

I know well this isn't plausible until at least the ACC GOR expires. But I'm hoping by then the ACCN is in position to really pull ahead and push away from the other conferences. And I think TN : ACC :: Arkansas : Big 12. They have done quite well in their current conference ... but there is probably an even better fit to be had next door. All the far away SEC games haven't held the same luster after the Fulmer collapse. Games against Florida and Bama aren't some huge national draw any more. Kentucky and Vanderbilt are rivalries in name only, even with a hugely down TN program. You'd have natural rivalries with Clemson and VT as well as nearby games against WF and UofL. It would actually be a historically renewed rivalry against GT.

While we're dreaming wildly, Tennessee and Penn State would be amazing, and make the ACC rivalries galore.

No way in hell is it going to happen..but..If the ACC whats rivals and fans that would bet asses in seats? That school already is exists in NC.

(12-09-2014 06:49 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 12:56 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 12:45 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

First you must offer an on field product that compels those TV sets be turned on. However your dichotomous approach to sports emphasis will never work. But keep dreaming big. Maybe by 2021 when those sublet rights are back in hand to allow you to form your own network then finally that payout dust settling down upon the ACC won't seem quite so insurmountable.

I know well this isn't plausible until at least the ACC GOR expires. But I'm hoping by then the ACCN is in position to really pull ahead and push away from the other conferences. And I think TN : ACC :: Arkansas : Big 12. They have done quite well in their current conference ... but there is probably an even better fit to be had next door. All the far away SEC games haven't held the same luster after the Fulmer collapse. Games against Florida and Bama aren't some huge national draw any more. Kentucky and Vanderbilt are rivalries in name only, even with a hugely down TN program. You'd have natural rivalries with Clemson and VT as well as nearby games against WF and UofL. It would actually be a historically renewed rivalry against GT.

While we're dreaming wildly, Tennessee and Penn State would be amazing, and make the ACC rivalries galore.

No way in hell is it going to happen..but..If the ACC whats rivals and fans that would bet asses in seats? That school already is exists in NC.

You think FSU and Clemson would be on board with that? Nah

The ACC will do nothing. They are in the middle of changing their income model and will wait and see how much the ACC network brings in. that will define for them the next move.

Also with the B10 getting a new first tier contract in 2016, they will wait to see where the market is at and how much they can squeeze out of it. They added Pitt and Cuse and only added $1 million... but it helped them land Notre Dame, which was good for overall prestige and power.

The ACC is in the position where they dont need to do anything for a while and wont.

(12-09-2014 12:02 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The ACC will do nothing. They are in the middle of changing their income model and will wait and see how much the ACC network brings in. that will define for them the next move.

Also with the B10 getting a new first tier contract in 2016, they will wait to see where the market is at and how much they can squeeze out of it. They added Pitt and Cuse and only added $1 million... but it helped them land Notre Dame, which was good for overall prestige and power.

The ACC is in the position where they dont need to do anything for a while and wont.

Unless the B10 takes UVA and the SEC takes UNC and Duke.

(12-09-2014 12:24 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 12:02 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  The ACC will do nothing. They are in the middle of changing their income model and will wait and see how much the ACC network brings in. that will define for them the next move.

Also with the B10 getting a new first tier contract in 2016, they will wait to see where the market is at and how much they can squeeze out of it. They added Pitt and Cuse and only added $1 million... but it helped them land Notre Dame, which was good for overall prestige and power.

The ACC is in the position where they dont need to do anything for a while and wont.

Unless the B10 takes UVA and the SEC takes UNC and Duke.

UVA, UNC, and Duke aren't going anywhere. Like Texas and Oklahoma, they will be in the conference where they are the blue bloods and call the shots, for better or worse.

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

TV sets don't do you much good if you don't get the ratings. The SEC is still king based on the CCG ratings on Saturday. 7.7.

(12-09-2014 12:45 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 07:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 05:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Hold tight. Press home the enormous TV set advantage with an ACC network. When you start leaving the SEC in the dust on payouts, then move to try to bring in Tennessee.

First you must offer an on field product that compels those TV sets be turned on. However your dichotomous approach to sports emphasis will never work. But keep dreaming big. Maybe by 2021 when those sublet rights are back in hand to allow you to form your own network then finally that payout dust settling down upon the ACC won't seem quite so insurmountable.

I know well this isn't plausible until at least the ACC GOR expires. But I'm hoping by then the ACCN is in position to really pull ahead and push away from the other conferences. And I think TN : ACC :: Arkansas : Big 12. They have done quite well in their current conference ... but there is probably an even better fit to be had next door. All the far away SEC games haven't held the same luster after the Fulmer collapse. Games against Florida and Bama aren't some huge national draw any more. Kentucky and Vanderbilt are rivalries in name only, even with a hugely down TN program. You'd have natural rivalries with Clemson and VT as well as nearby games against WF and UofL. It would actually be a historically renewed rivalry against GT.

Much respect GTS. We all have our fantasies and yours is a doozy. The only reason Tennessee's games with Florida and Alabama aren't huge national draws anymore is the sad state of the Tennessee football program lately. But I have heard no dissatisfaction from Volunteer fans with their membership in the SEC, only displeasure at not being considered an elite team any longer. Jones is doing a good job with them and his recruiting class this year is unbelievably good. As much as I hate Tennessee, they wouldn't give up rivalries with Alabama, Florida and Georgia for the chance to play anyone in the ACC, including Georgia Tech.

While I'm at it, what ACC games would you consider "some huge national draw?" Miami and Florida State used to be, but not any more since Miami fell off. Sorry, can't think of another that moves the needle. Nope, don't think Tennessee is going anywhere.

I can 2nd the view that UT fans are totally happy in the SEC. I know several and in general they laugh at every other conference (including the ACC). None of them want to stop playing Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Auburn... any of the big name programs to go to play in the ACC.