Does anybody know how the G5 commissioners decided to split the conference performance $$. I know its a sliding scale like the BCS but are they setting by units with 15 total with a payout of 5 units to the #1 conference followed by 4 units for the 2nd best conference, 3, 2, 1?

(12-08-2014 02:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Does anybody know how the G5 commissioners decided to split the conference performance $$. I know its a sliding scale like the BCS but are they setting by units with 15 total with a payout of 5 units to the #1 conference followed by 4 units for the 2nd best conference, 3, 2, 1?

Yes. It's exactly the same.

(12-08-2014 02:44 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 02:43 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Does anybody know how the G5 commissioners decided to split the conference performance $$. I know its a sliding scale like the BCS but are they setting by units with 15 total with a payout of 5 units to the #1 conference followed by 4 units for the 2nd best conference, 3, 2, 1?

Yes. It's exactly the same.

Did I get the number of units correct to your knowlege and the distribution?

Based on the final computer rankings, the final standings would be this:

1. MWC 74.17 avg rank
2. AAC 84.27
3. CUSA 87.00
4. MAC 97.77
5. SBC 99.55

Using the formula of $1M for every team as the base (cap at 12), then $6M for the conference that sends a team to the Access Bowl, and the 5-4-3-2-1 units distribution, the performance bonus payouts would be something like this:

1. MWC $27.42M ($12M base, $5.42M ranking, $6M G5 AB bonus, plus $4M CFP AB bonus)
2. AAC $15.33M
3. CUSA $15.25M
4. MAC $14.17M
5. SBC $12.08M

Add to that the $300K per school each conference would get for meeting APR goals and the Access Bowl payout to the MWC, and they end up around $31M total.

Compared to the $3M or so each of the G5 used to get under the BCS, this is a huge win, except for the AAC, who takes a huge pay cut from the $27M they got last year as an AQ.

(12-09-2014 10:31 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Based on the final computer rankings, the final standings would be this:

1. MWC 74.17 avg rank
2. AAC 84.27
3. CUSA 87.00
4. MAC 97.77
5. SBC 99.55

Using the formula of $1M for every team as the base (cap at 12), then $6M for the conference that sends a team to the Access Bowl, and the 5-4-3-2-1 units distribution, the performance bonus payouts would be something like this:

1. MWC $27.42M ($12M base, $5.42M ranking, $6M AB)
2. AAC $15.33M
3. CUSA $15.25M
4. MAC $14.17M
5. SBC $12.08M

Add to that the $300K per school each conference would get for meeting APR goals and the Access Bowl payout to the MWC, and they end up around $31M total.

Compared to the $3M or so each of the G5 used to get under the BCS, this is a huge win, except for the AAC, who takes a huge pay cut from the $27M they got last year as an AQ.

From what I read on the Revenue distribution on the CFP website, the APR is included with the G5 cut. So the $75 million or so has the APR included in that.
The number didn't add up there for the MW. Its $23.42 million total. Still quite a bit more than the BCS days.

(12-09-2014 10:31 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Based on the final computer rankings, the final standings would be this:

1. MWC 74.17 avg rank
2. AAC 84.27
3. CUSA 87.00
4. MAC 97.77
5. SBC 99.55

Using the formula of $1M for every team as the base (cap at 12), then $6M for the conference that sends a team to the Access Bowl, and the 5-4-3-2-1 units distribution, the performance bonus payouts would be something like this:

1. MWC $27.42M ($12M base, $5.42M ranking, $6M AB)
2. AAC $15.33M
3. CUSA $15.25M
4. MAC $14.17M
5. SBC $12.08M

Add to that the $300K per school each conference would get for meeting APR goals and the Access Bowl payout to the MWC, and they end up around $31M total.

Compared to the $3M or so each of the G5 used to get under the BCS, this is a huge win, except for the AAC, who takes a huge pay cut from the $27M they got last year as an AQ.

Which site did you pull your computer rankings from?

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm

Massey Composite has the same order of finish, but has slightly different rankings per conference (just a few points here or there). I didn't know if there was another site that does the composite rankings or not.

The computer rankings were from the CFCC by USA Today. http://i.usatoday.net/sports/college/foo...osite3.pdf

They are the 5 active BCS computers. I believe Anderson and Hester stopped doing theirs.

So bowl performance has no bearing in this? Sucks to see ECU ranked below VT and UNC. I think we are clearly better than both of those teams.

Thanks! My google-fu was lacking earlier.

Looks like if you aren't No. 1 then the payouts aren't really that different.

(12-09-2014 12:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 10:31 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Based on the final computer rankings, the final standings would be this:

1. MWC 74.17 avg rank
2. AAC 84.27
3. CUSA 87.00
4. MAC 97.77
5. SBC 99.55

Using the formula of $1M for every team as the base (cap at 12), then $6M for the conference that sends a team to the Access Bowl, and the 5-4-3-2-1 units distribution, the performance bonus payouts would be something like this:

1. MWC $27.42M ($12M base, $5.42M ranking, $6M AB, plus $4M for appearance in Access Bowl)
2. AAC $15.33M
3. CUSA $15.25M
4. MAC $14.17M
5. SBC $12.08M

Add to that the $300K per school each conference would get for meeting APR goals and the Access Bowl payout to the MWC, and they end up around $31M total.

Compared to the $3M or so each of the G5 used to get under the BCS, this is a huge win, except for the AAC, who takes a huge pay cut from the $27M they got last year as an AQ.

From what I read on the Revenue distribution on the CFP website, the APR is included with the G5 cut. So the $75 million or so has the APR included in that.
The number didn't add up there for the MW. Its $23.42 million total. Still quite a bit more than the BCS days.

The APR fund is part of the first cut, but I think what's in the CFP page is wrong. It's supposed to be a 75/25 split. Note #1 on the CFP revenue distribution page: http://www.collegefootballplayoff.com/re...stribution

Quote:(1) Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school’s football team meets the NCAA’s APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive the $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.

(2) Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $50 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $75 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $2.3 million if it meets the APR; the other three independents will share $922,658.

(3) A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement (in 2014-2015, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls).

(4) Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2 million to cover expenses for each game.

If it's as they say, then the P5 are getting more than 75% (closer to 78%) of the revenue. That could be true, but it goes against the previously published agreement. Also, if it's as they say, then the G5 don't have enough for their revenue distribution plan (after the $300k/team for APR and $11M-$12M per conference base, they would be in the hole for over $1M), so I have to assume it's wrong.

I forgot to include in the text the $4M bonus that the CFP pays the participant in the Access Bowl. I had counted that, but not put it into the mix.

(12-09-2014 10:31 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Based on the final computer rankings, the final standings would be this:

1. MWC 74.17 avg rank
2. AAC 84.27
3. CUSA 87.00
4. MAC 97.77
5. SBC 99.55

Using the formula of $1M for every team as the base (cap at 12), then $6M for the conference that sends a team to the Access Bowl, and the 5-4-3-2-1 units distribution, the performance bonus payouts would be something like this:

1. MWC $27.42M ($12M base, $5.42M ranking, $6M G5 AB bonus, plus $4M CFP AB bonus)
2. AAC $15.33M
3. CUSA $15.25M
4. MAC $14.17M
5. SBC $12.08M

Add to that the $300K per school each conference would get for meeting APR goals and the Access Bowl payout to the MWC, and they end up around $31M total.

Compared to the $3M or so each of the G5 used to get under the BCS, this is a huge win, except for the AAC, who takes a huge pay cut from the $27M they got last year as an AQ.

Does the conference get a share of the $15.3M? I am wondering how much each school in the ACC will receive.

(12-09-2014 01:56 PM)Chappy Wrote:  So bowl performance has no bearing in this? Sucks to see ECU ranked below VT and UNC. I think we are clearly better than both of those teams.

It has in previous years, not sure why it wouldn't this year. That's how the SBC pulled ahead of the MAC.

Kristi Dosh has another breakdown:

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/...e-payouts/

She also takes the CFP at their word of including the APR in the G5's $75M and notes that the P5 also includes that in their $50M each. She notes that each G5 will get an equal share of $60M, then split $15M up by performance shares based on computer rankings. So there's a lot of information out there.

Based on that info,

MWC $21M
AAC $16M
CUSA $15M
MAC $14M
SBC $13M

(12-09-2014 02:26 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Kristi Dosh has another breakdown:

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2014/...e-payouts/

She also takes the CFP at their word of including the APR in the G5's $75M and notes that the P5 also includes that in their $50M each. She notes that each G5 will get an equal share of $60M, then split $15M up by performance shares based on computer rankings. So there's a lot of information out there.

Based on that info,

MWC $21M
AAC $16M
CUSA $15M
MAC $14M
SBC $13M

So the G5 is pooling the APR $$ (since it all goes to the conference) along with the Base Amount and not separating that out of the $75 million. So that would leave $17 million for conference performance since the Sunbelt and AAC has 11 fb schools and get $11 million and not $12 million.
Ok...so that works out and the CFP Bowl $$ is in addition to that.

According to the numbers the CFP has the percentage breaks down like this.

I took the total amount for this year at $332.35 million
P5 = $50 million x 5 (P5) = $250 million 75.7%
G5 = $75 million 22.5%
ND = $2.3 million 0.7%
Other Indy = $2.8 million 0.8%
FCS = $2.25 million 0.6%

Intersting and forgot about the FCS getting a tiny slice. That should also be a bit more than they got from the BCS system.

"Additionally, certain conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision conferences will receive $2.25 million in aggregate."

That a bit different from this article I found with the 71.5% and 27%: stating not totally done but the is what the basics stared as.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...s/1762709/

But then this article came out with the same numbers now use for the CFP website.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../12734897/
Which state equals to the 75.5 and 22.5...so there was some tweaking of the % payout.