(07-14-2015 11:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:41 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  From what I understand of things, it is built in the TV contract for the B12 that the amount of $$ per team will remain the same regardless of if they add teams or not. So if my understanding is correct, adding say...Cincy and Memphis will not hurt them one bit...

Regarding the post about the Chicago TV market carrying NIU... I would think that Northwestern and Notre Dame is the big deal in ChiTown (as far as CFB is concerned).

My source says that your understanding is incorrect.

FWIW, THUNDERGround is correct, here is a link; http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...our-sports

I'm only here to say that Bull in Exile's source doesn't know diddly about the Big 12's realignment plans.

As I understand it if the big12 had a network that was not already part of the Chicago area Comcast package, adding NIU could spur Chicago Comcast to add Big12 network and then a subscription fee would be paid by Comcast to big12 network on a per subscriber basis. Big ten get $1 per month per subscriber. In this case adding NIU could net this hypothetical big12 network as much as 12 million per year( assuming 1 million Comcast subscribers and $1/month fee).
If the hypothetical big12 network were already part of the Chicago Comcast package adding NIU would service no financial Benifit.

(07-16-2015 11:16 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:If the conference takes on $G5_SCHOOL1 and $G5_SCHOOL2 there is no way the contract goes up 20 million dollars.

First, the "pie" or percentage -- who cares. The more teams you add, the lesser % if the contract divides equally. Going from 10->12 teams is going to lower the % from 10%->8.333%.

Except, according to Boren, President of OU, if the Big12 adds 2 teams, the TV contract increases in proportion (he specifically said if the Big12 goes up to 11, or to 12, so there's no basis for assuming it goes past 12). Since about half the payout is the TV contract, then its more like 10% of the current payout to 9.1% of the current payout.

(07-17-2015 07:22 PM)BobL Wrote:  As I understand it if the big12 had a network that was not already part of the Chicago area Comcast package, adding NIU could spur Chicago Comcast to add Big12 network and then a subscription fee would be paid by Comcast to big12 network on a per subscriber basis. Big ten get $1 per month per subscriber. In this case adding NIU could net this hypothetical big12 network as much as 12 million per year (assuming 1 million Comcast subscribers and $1/month fee).

Except the Big12 as a whole cannot have a network under current arrangements, because of the Longhorn Network. And given the money that OkU and Kansas make from their 3rd tier rights, it would be hard to see how a "Big12-Texas" network could be formed and generated more money for those two than they make on their own ...

... and a "Big12 minus (Texas+OkU+Kansas)" network wouldn't have much appeal.

Quote: If the hypothetical big12 network were already part of the Chicago Comcast package adding NIU would service no financial Benefit.

These deals are normally done with different rates depending on whether you have a school in the market area or not ... so while the BTN gets $1/subscriber in Big Ten country, it gets something like $0.10/subscriber elsewhere.

(07-17-2015 12:39 AM)E-zone Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:41 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  From what I understand of things, it is built in the TV contract for the B12 that the amount of $$ per team will remain the same regardless of if they add teams or not. So if my understanding is correct, adding say...Cincy and Memphis will not hurt them one bit...

Regarding the post about the Chicago TV market carrying NIU... I would think that Northwestern and Notre Dame is the big deal in ChiTown (as far as CFB is concerned).

My source says that your understanding is incorrect.

FWIW, THUNDERGround is correct, here is a link; http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...our-sports

Thanks, I thought I was correct, but I wasn't going to argue about it.

(07-17-2015 12:39 AM)E-zone Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:41 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  From what I understand of things, it is built in the TV contract for the B12 that the amount of $$ per team will remain the same regardless of if they add teams or not. So if my understanding is correct, adding say...Cincy and Memphis will not hurt them one bit...

Regarding the post about the Chicago TV market carrying NIU... I would think that Northwestern and Notre Dame is the big deal in ChiTown (as far as CFB is concerned).

My source says that your understanding is incorrect.

FWIW, THUNDERGround is correct, here is a link; http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...our-sports

I don't see anything in there about Northwestern and Notre Dame being the big deal in Chi-Town.

It does correct the potentially misleading statement about the TV $$$ remaining the same ... Boren has only confirmed that for 11 or 12, there's no evidence it goes past that.

(07-18-2015 03:18 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 12:39 AM)E-zone Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 11:00 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 10:41 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  From what I understand of things, it is built in the TV contract for the B12 that the amount of $$ per team will remain the same regardless of if they add teams or not. So if my understanding is correct, adding say...Cincy and Memphis will not hurt them one bit...

Regarding the post about the Chicago TV market carrying NIU... I would think that Northwestern and Notre Dame is the big deal in ChiTown (as far as CFB is concerned).

My source says that your understanding is incorrect.

FWIW, THUNDERGround is correct, here is a link; http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...our-sports

I don't see anything in there about Northwestern and Notre Dame being the big deal in Chi-Town.

It does correct the potentially misleading statement about the TV $$$ remaining the same ... Boren has only confirmed that for 11 or 12, there's no evidence it goes past that.

No, that was my thought. I would have thought that as far as NCAA fb is concerned, I figured that at least Notre Dame would tap the Chicago area more than NIU..

(07-18-2015 07:25 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  No, that was my thought. I would have thought that as far as NCAA fb is concerned, I figured that at least Notre Dame would tap the Chicago area more than NIU..

It does ... but mostly because college FB is a fairly distant second place to NFL football in Chicago. The weakness of the Illini gives NIU an opportunity to build their profile in the western suburbs, but before getting excited about what a market opportunity Chicago represents, first it has to be scaled down by 2 for the shadow cast by the NFL and second it has to be scaled down by 4 for the much more limited opportunities to build more profile in the northern or southern suburbs.

Its still something that bears consideration at the Go5 level, but it has to be offset against the very bad geographical fit between NIU and the American.

I agree completely... It is amazing how things work here in Huntington. Marshall is 5 minutes from OH and about 15 from Kentucky. The border among the states is by and large similar to the Great Wall of China. As soon as you get into Ashland, KY (about a 25 minute drive) or say Ironton, OH (about a 35 minute drive), it is dominated my UK and Ohio State respectively. Marshall still gets a good amount of media coverage, but the fan base changes. We have to compete with UK (90 minutes away), Cincy (2.5 hours), OSU (2.75 hours), V Tech (3 hours), and WVU (3 hours).... it is difficult. Take FIU for instance... they get ZERO press (relatively speaking) because of the Dolphins and the 'Canes...

Any G5 school in a pro town or in a P5 market suffers... UNLESS it performs...

exactly EMU's problem

(07-19-2015 03:42 PM)Huron 61 Wrote:  exactly EMU's problem

And since having a couple of weaker, Bball tilted schools does not hurt an FBS conference, EMU needs to first and foremost focus on BBall ... where they have recently shown signs of improvement.

Which is a long way from the original topic ... unsurprisingly, since the short odds are that even if the Big12 expands, it won't touch the MAC.

Why wouldn't the B12 go with a school like Memphis which is very close, a major city (1.3m metro), has a 60,000 seat football stadium and an elite basketball arena that they sell out?

On another note, there was a small part of a story in the NYT (no link) about some P5 schools talking about asking the NCAA for more than 85 football scholarships.

(07-21-2015 07:25 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  On another note, there was a small part of a story in the NYT (no link) about some P5 schools talking about asking the NCAA for more than 85 football scholarships.

Limiting scholarships to 85 is probably the biggest reason for current college football parity.

(07-21-2015 10:27 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 07:25 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  On another note, there was a small part of a story in the NYT (no link) about some P5 schools talking about asking the NCAA for more than 85 football scholarships.

Limiting scholarships to 85 is probably the biggest reason for current college football parity.

I hope it doesn't happen.

I believe the NCAA should cut further to say 78 - 80.

One could make the point that each program should have a first team, second team, and scout team on offense and defense. That's 66 (33 on offense and 33 on defense).

Add special teamers who are not offensive or defensive players (e.g., punters, kickers, long snappers, etc.) plus a few extra QBs, etc.

Quote:I believe the NCAA should cut further to say 78 - 80.

One could make the point that each program should have a first team, second team, and scout team on offense and defense. That's 66 (33 on offense and 33 on defense).

I agree. But I personally think 77 would be Good. 33 on offense, 33 on defense (3 teams of 11 each) + 11 others for ST.

(07-21-2015 07:25 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Why wouldn't the B12 go with a school like Memphis which is very close, a major city (1.3m metro), has a 60,000 seat football stadium and an elite basketball arena that they sell out?

If Memphis shows more success in FB and shows an ability to get people into that 60,000 seat FB stadium on a regular basis, they could well do ... though that implies that the expansion is a few years down the road.

They do have a similar challenge to some of the other Big12 aspirants in that, between Ole Miss and Arkansas, many of the potential college FB fans in Memphis already support a team.

But grand Kittonhead-esque visions of massive realigments hitting the America so hard that it turns to MAC schools to reload do not square with one or two schools getting poached by the Big12 from the American, and with the only real impetus to expand beyond 12 going away once the CCG is de-regulated and it will be possible to expand without splitting up into two divisions, there is no reason for the Big12 to be expanding to 14 or more schools.

(07-21-2015 02:31 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I believe the NCAA should cut further to say 78 - 80.

One could make the point that each program should have a first team, second team, and scout team on offense and defense. That's 66 (33 on offense and 33 on defense).

I agree. But I personally think 77 would be Good. 33 on offense, 33 on defense (3 teams of 11 each) + 11 others for ST.

But how would that further enrich the rich?

(07-23-2015 08:12 AM)Zipfanatik Wrote:  

(07-21-2015 02:31 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:I believe the NCAA should cut further to say 78 - 80.

One could make the point that each program should have a first team, second team, and scout team on offense and defense. That's 66 (33 on offense and 33 on defense).

I agree. But I personally think 77 would be Good. 33 on offense, 33 on defense (3 teams of 11 each) + 11 others for ST.

But how would that further enrich the rich?

Which is, after all, in quite a large number of areas the key difference between "what ought to happen?" and "what is likely to happen?"

Quote:But how would that further enrich the rich?

The only negative would be a player-to-be who would get a scholarship at a non-power G5, but due to less scholarships overall, wouldn't be able to get it because, just like at Alabama as well as everywhere else -- fewer are given out. Fewer scholarships help spread the better talent around, though (to a certain point).