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(12-08-2014 11:06 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Boise State plus BYU is unlikely because it does nothing to solve the WVU problem. Boise State plus any eastern school is unlikely because it repeats the WVU problem. So I don't see Boise State being in the picture.

Travel is not as important as anyone thinks. It's all about the almighty dollar. The big 12 could care less about West Virginia having local competition. It's who can help keep the current $$ split as high or higher. It's BYU and XXX to make it an even number. Whoever XXX becomes is just the tallest midget who jumped on BYU's coattail.
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(12-08-2014 10:41 AM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 10:30 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In all seriousness, the biggest mistake the XII made was replacing Texas A&M with TCU. They should have definitely gone outside the state of Texas with that ninth team.

After making that mistake, their next big mistake was not taking Louisville and Cincinnati when they took in West Virginia. Instead they seemed to play those schools against each other – which did not make any sense to me at the time and makes even less sense in retrospect. Had the XII made the common sense choice of taking all three schools, the ACC would be weaker than it is now and the XII would be stronger than it is now.

Also, had they expanded in the way I suggested, West Virginia would not be out on an island at all. Instead, it would have two regional rivals that are also very strong programs in their own right and whose fans would eagerly fill up each other's buildings.

I think the XII's entire approach was extremely shortsighted and they have paid a severe price for it and they will continue to pay a price for it until they fix it.

As for expansion going forward, they are probably better served expanding east than west for television purposes. Right now, they don't have much of an eastern television presence and that is where all of the population is located. I would definitely look to Cincinnati and probably Central Florida as spots nos. 11 and 12. That would give them two brand-new markets that are decent sized and they are also fertile recruiting areas – which would continue to help that league grow.

Including Marshall on any list is beyond ridiculous and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how this whole system works. Houston is pretty much in the same boat, as would be SMU. Those schools simply don't add anything to the television contract, which is what this is all about. That is why Florida State and Clemson are never getting into the SEC, and why schools like Pitt and Cincinnati are never getting into the Big Ten. It also underscores what a terrible decision it was for the big 12 to include TCU in the first place.
TCU was a hot football team as it was coming off a Rose Bowl win and TCU wanted to get out of the sinking Big East. It was an easy decision and the least costly at the time, but maybe not the best. Houston probably makes the most long term sense, not TCU.

Louisville should have been first, as WVU and Cincy could have followed. That's the decision that really should be faulted. The ACC would have chosen UConn over WVU if it came to that. The Big 12 always thought Louisville would be available.

WVU was the most valuable at the time. They have done a great job expanding media exposure of the Big 12 in the east (I'm hearing that from Texas people, not WVU people). I still think the order should have been WVU then UL instead of TCU/WVU. But TCU keeps looking better all the time.
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Every game that byu has scheduled for the next few years are all contract games. Every game would have to be bought out. Remember they are not in a conference. This is exactly the reason the American is still waiting for Navy. It would cost byu insane amounts of$$ to join immediately.
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(12-08-2014 12:21 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 12:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 10:30 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  In all seriousness, the biggest mistake the XII made was replacing Texas A&M with TCU. They should have definitely gone outside the state of Texas with that ninth team.

After making that mistake, their next big mistake was not taking Louisville and Cincinnati when they took in West Virginia. Instead they seemed to play those schools against each other – which did not make any sense to me at the time and makes even less sense in retrospect. Had the XII made the common sense choice of taking all three schools, the ACC would be weaker than it is now and the XII would be stronger than it is now.

Also, had they expanded in the way I suggested, West Virginia would not be out on an island at all. Instead, it would have two regional rivals that are also very strong programs in their own right and whose fans would eagerly fill up each other's buildings.

I think the XII's entire approach was extremely shortsighted and they have paid a severe price for it and they will continue to pay a price for it until they fix it.

As for expansion going forward, they are probably better served expanding east than west for television purposes. Right now, they don't have much of an eastern television presence and that is where all of the population is located. I would definitely look to Cincinnati and probably Central Florida as spots nos. 11 and 12. That would give them two brand-new markets that are decent sized and they are also fertile recruiting areas – which would continue to help that league grow.

Including Marshall on any list is beyond ridiculous and demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of how this whole system works. Houston is pretty much in the same boat, as would be SMU. Those schools simply don't add anything to the television contract, which is what this is all about. That is why Florida State and Clemson are never getting into the SEC, and why schools like Pitt and Cincinnati are never getting into the Big Ten. It also underscores what a terrible decision it was for the big 12 to include TCU in the first place.

The mistake was adding west Virginia to begin with
No...just not adding Louisville was the mistake.

I totally agree. Probably should have went straight to 12 with WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati etc. That would have left UConn heading to the ACC instead of Louisville. Things would have been a lot more geographically balanced that way.
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(12-08-2014 10:02 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 09:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 09:41 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Nothing new. There is quite a large gap between UC and the rest IMO.

I agree. I would say Cincinnati would have to be #1 on the list. I think they deserve it. Very well rounded school.

Cincinnati checks a lot of boxes:
Good Football
Good Basketball
New Market
New Recruiting Area
Bridge to West Virginia

I'll add 5 more:

Big Endowment
More than Good Enough Academics
High Research Activity
Easy place to fly in and out of
Shouldn't have been left out to begin with

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(12-08-2014 01:07 PM)brista21 Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 10:02 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 09:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 09:41 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Nothing new. There is quite a large gap between UC and the rest IMO.

I agree. I would say Cincinnati would have to be #1 on the list. I think they deserve it. Very well rounded school.

Cincinnati checks a lot of boxes:
Good Football
Good Basketball
New Market
New Recruiting Area
Bridge to West Virginia

I'll add 5 more:

Big Endowment
More than Good Enough Academics
High Research Activity
Easy place to fly in and out of
Shouldn't have been left out to begin with

Sold. Where do I sign up? :)

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I think it'll be Memphis and Cincinnati. Those're the two that make the most sense at the moment, honestly.
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Even though I'm not holding my breath, if it does happen, Nippert will be sold out for every conference game forever and people in this part of the country will start watching Big12 sports- all good for the Big12.
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Don't be surprised if it is Fresno State/SDSU. I have mentioned the reasoning before on this board so I won't belabor it.
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(12-08-2014 10:05 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 09:51 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Marshall has no shot at all. Sorry. Every other CUSA school has a better chance than Marshall, and that's not saying much.

Did someone mention Marshall as a candidate?

The Denver Post columnist mentioned Marshall. Every team he mentioned is just a name off the top of his head; he didn't claim to have information that any is a serious candidate or that the Big 12 is adding anyone at all. The point of the column is a local angle, i.e., "Does Colorado State have a chance?"
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The Fresno State and San Diego State suggestion is interesting.

I would consider Connecticut and Central Florida. Go east, grab the second largest university in the United States, grab Florida recruiting opportunity, grab access to New York market, improve basketball product, etc...

If you grow by two more- Cincinnati and Memphis are great, too.
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(12-08-2014 01:31 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Don't be surprised if it is Fresno State/SDSU. I have mentioned the reasoning before on this board so I won't belabor it.

Yea we've seen it many times almost like you just copy and paste it over and over. Nobody seems to be biting.
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I would like to see Houston return to where they belong. I won't hold my breath though.
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(12-08-2014 10:46 AM)LSUtah Wrote:  The Big12 passed on Louisville because they believed the ridiculous FSU/ Clemson rumors. The ACC has definitely outplayed the Big 12 in the game of conference realignment. Of course that is not saying much...

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Marshall!?!?!?

Not very often that a thread Jumps the Shark on the very first post!:huh:

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(12-08-2014 01:31 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Don't be surprised if it is Fresno State/SDSU. I have mentioned the reasoning before on this board so I won't belabor it.

I cant imagine they would look west and continue to leave WVU hanging out there.
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(12-07-2014 03:59 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  
(12-07-2014 12:20 AM)MedKnight Wrote:  
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(12-06-2014 11:45 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  Only wrong because they need to expand the playoffs

yeah, lets expand an already flawed system

Are you kidding me? The BCS system WAS flawed. What's your alternative to the playoff system? Expanding the playoffs to 8 makes sense.

Here's my suggestion...expand the playoffs to 8 teams with each P5 conference champ earning a playoff spot (CCG winner), then select 3 at-large teams with the highest rankings from all the conferences and independents. After that the bowls would fill their slots. Everyone gets a chance with this format.

(12-08-2014 01:40 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 01:31 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Don't be surprised if it is Fresno State/SDSU. I have mentioned the reasoning before on this board so I won't belabor it.

Yea we've seen it many times almost like you just copy and paste it over and over. Nobody seems to be biting.
Yep just like the Cincy pimping that keeps happening.

Just remember when the B10 last expanded Rutgers/Maryland wasn't mentioned either. If I remember right it was always NC/GT/FSU/etc. in the media and then boom Rutgers/Maryland. So like I said don't be surprised but if I eat crow, I eat crow...
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WVU was lucky to get in the Big 12, Marshall doesn't stand a chance.
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(12-08-2014 02:30 PM)buffdog Wrote:  
(12-07-2014 03:59 AM)sherekhan Wrote:  
(12-07-2014 12:20 AM)MedKnight Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 11:53 PM)EagleX Wrote:  
(12-06-2014 11:45 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  Only wrong because they need to expand the playoffs

yeah, lets expand an already flawed system

Are you kidding me? The BCS system WAS flawed. What's your alternative to the playoff system? Expanding the playoffs to 8 makes sense.

Here's my suggestion...expand the playoffs to 8 teams with each P5 conference champ earning a playoff spot (CCG winner), then select 3 at-large teams with the highest rankings from all the conferences and independents. After that the bowls would fill their slots. Everyone gets a chance with this format.

(12-08-2014 01:40 PM)bearcatfan1211 Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 01:31 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Don't be surprised if it is Fresno State/SDSU. I have mentioned the reasoning before on this board so I won't belabor it.

Yea we've seen it many times almost like you just copy and paste it over and over. Nobody seems to be biting.
Yep just like the Cincy pimping that keeps happening.

Just remember when the B10 last expanded Rutgers/Maryland wasn't mentioned either. If I remember right it was always NC/GT/FSU/etc. in the media and then boom Rutgers/Maryland. So like I said don't be surprised but if I eat crow, I eat crow...

I don't see anyone on here pimping Cincinnati - the media is taking care of that. Other than your post, I haven't heard a thing about Fresno.
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(12-08-2014 02:30 PM)buffdog Wrote:  Yep just like the Cincy pimping that keeps happening.

Just remember when the B10 last expanded Rutgers/Maryland wasn't mentioned either. If I remember right it was always NC/GT/FSU/etc. in the media and then boom Rutgers/Maryland. So like I said don't be surprised but if I eat crow, I eat crow...

1. Everybody is pimping their schools here, even though nobody has the true ability to make a difference to the Big 12.

2. Anybody who was paying attention knew that Rutgers was talking to the Big 10. It had been talked about for at least 2 years before hand.

3. They want to get more eastern TV exposure. Going to the pacific time zone will not do that.

I saw that ESPN mentioned CSU and BSU today, I think they are insane but who knows. ESPN has been directly involved with the ruination of college football, they might as well finish it off.
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