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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 04:37 PM)DrTorch Wrote: (12-08-2014 04:17 PM)mlb Wrote: (12-08-2014 04:10 PM)DrTorch Wrote: Is that ESPN's fault? I can think of lots of issues. And honestly, if the Big 8 had been proactive, we'd still have most of this intact.
Based on quotes from BC's AD and such, yes. They are the ones who came to the ACC pushing them to expand, not vice versa.
Didn't that happen after SEC picked up Arkansas (and S Carolina)?
Sure. That being said, we are talking about what caused the musical chairs to begin again in recent years, not the breakup of the SWC.
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 09:41 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: Nothing new. There is quite a large gap between UC and the rest IMO.
Oh I don't know about that. UCF has been in the same conference as UC for two years and we have two championships, UC only has one.
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 04:43 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote: (12-08-2014 09:41 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: Nothing new. There is quite a large gap between UC and the rest IMO.
Oh I don't know about that. UCF has been in the same conference as UC for two years and we have two championships, UC only has one.
And if that mattered in the least they would have handed you an invitation when you beat Baylor last year.
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
Big 12 does not need two teams in a small state like West Virginia. Marshall to the B12 is a big pipe dream.
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Re: RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 04:01 PM)DrTorch Wrote: (12-08-2014 03:21 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm by no means a Cincinnati or Memphis fan. I border on being a Bearcat hater in fact...but taking bias out of the equation, them + Memphis are the two most well rounded eastward candidates.
Universities pay attention to academics as well as athletics. Memphis is not on par w/ the rest of the Big 12.
They're a nice fit geographically. They have good bball. They've had decent fball occasionally. Not the most compelling of arguments IMO.
Have to give Memphis credit. They have an elite BBall program and have turned football around. Gets the Big 12 into the state of Tennessee.
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(12-08-2014 05:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote: (12-08-2014 04:01 PM)DrTorch Wrote: (12-08-2014 03:21 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm by no means a Cincinnati or Memphis fan. I border on being a Bearcat hater in fact...but taking bias out of the equation, them + Memphis are the two most well rounded eastward candidates.
Universities pay attention to academics as well as athletics. Memphis is not on par w/ the rest of the Big 12.
They're a nice fit geographically. They have good bball. They've had decent fball occasionally. Not the most compelling of arguments IMO.
Have to give Memphis credit. They have an elite BBall program and have turned football around. Gets the Big 12 into the state of Tennessee.
I think it's premature to say Memphis has turned its football around. I'd like to see them weather a coaching change before I'm ready to declare it Mission Accomplished. That being said, I still think they're as good a candidate for B12 expansion as most others.
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Re: RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 05:24 PM)MickMack Wrote: (12-08-2014 05:17 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote: (12-08-2014 04:01 PM)DrTorch Wrote: (12-08-2014 03:21 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm by no means a Cincinnati or Memphis fan. I border on being a Bearcat hater in fact...but taking bias out of the equation, them + Memphis are the two most well rounded eastward candidates.
Universities pay attention to academics as well as athletics. Memphis is not on par w/ the rest of the Big 12.
They're a nice fit geographically. They have good bball. They've had decent fball occasionally. Not the most compelling of arguments IMO.
Have to give Memphis credit. They have an elite BBall program and have turned football around. Gets the Big 12 into the state of Tennessee.
I think it's premature to say Memphis has turned its football around. I'd like to see them weather a coaching change before I'm ready to declare it Mission Accomplished. That being said, I still think they're as good a candidate for B12 expansion as most others.
I was just basing my thoughts on the fact they won the American (Co-Champ). Good accomplishment considering how bad they were there for a while.
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Re: RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 02:56 PM)stever20 Wrote: (12-08-2014 02:53 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote: I have a hard time seeing how it WON'T be Cincinnati + 1, likely Memphis. I really do. The BigXII is dumb, but I don't see 'em doubling down on the issues of WVU being on an island. When they expand, it will be to the East and not West and Memphis and Cincinnati are the best OVERALL packages. Yes, there may be some that are better currently in football. Yes, there may be other schools that are in bigger media markets. However, the best two overall packages are Cincinnati and Memphis. Solid football, Willingness to invest, Solid markets, Solid new recruiting grounds, instant (major!) boost to basketball as well.
In my ideal world, I'd love to see Houston in the PAC-12.
I think where I would clarify this- I think if they only go to 12, it will be to the east. If they went 14, then could see both east and west.
If for some reason they do go beyond 14 then I could see CSU getting serious looks. I just cant imagine them wanting to go past 12 considering they wouldnt be going beyond 10 if it wasnt for the necessity of a championship game.
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
The only way that the B12 will expand is if they can't get their 10-team championship game approved.
If that were to occur, they will look towards BYU first and one of CInci or UConn first. SDSU, Memphis, UCF, USF and ECU would all also be in play... and likely before any other MWC teams.
Just my two cents. I'm pretty sure that ECU is staying in the AAC.
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 02:34 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote: WVU was lucky to get in the Big 12, Marshall doesn't stand a chance.
Hell...Marshall is screwed worse than ECU when it comes to expansion talk.
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 09:11 PM)Ned Low Wrote: The only way that the B12 will expand is if they can't get their 10-team championship game approved.
If that were to occur, they will look towards BYU first and one of CInci or UConn first. SDSU, Memphis, UCF, USF and ECU would all also be in play... and likely before any other MWC teams.
Just my two cents. I'm pretty sure that ECU is staying in the AAC.
If we leave the AAC it will be back to indy. We aint going anywhere.
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
Can someone explain Colorado State?
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RE: Big 12 Candidates per two major outlets
(12-08-2014 10:02 AM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote: (12-08-2014 09:50 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote: (12-08-2014 09:41 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: Nothing new. There is quite a large gap between UC and the rest IMO.
I agree. I would say Cincinnati would have to be #1 on the list. I think they deserve it. Very well rounded school.
Cincinnati checks a lot of boxes:
Good Football
Good Basketball
New Market
New Recruiting Area
Bridge to West Virginia
Add to that a $1B endowment and improving facilities.
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(12-08-2014 09:31 PM)Comet Wrote: Can someone explain Colorado State?
Contiguous State with other Big 12 schools
Land Grant University
Large Endowment
31,000 students
building new $200 mil stadium
Good school to have on the radar I think.
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(12-08-2014 10:19 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote: (12-08-2014 09:21 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote: Both say Cincinnati, Memphis, Marshall, UCF, Colorado State, Boise State and BYU as candidates.
Houston mentioned by Denver post.
Per the Denver Post:
http://www.denverpost.com/frei/ci_270896...ft-but-csu
Per the Cincinnati inquirer:
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/c.../20054963/
WVU would never allow Marshall in the same conference. That would mean they would have to play in Huntington every other year.
Trust me...I'm not that naive to believe they would support us for inclusion.
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