Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
Author Message
isidnirb Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,391
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 21
I Root For: ECU
Location: Charlotte
Post: #1
Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
Let's talk Big 12 expansion without personal bias for our own school...as in what the Big 12 will/should do.

IMO they value their current $$$ share too much to go 4+. They will only add 2 schools to satisfy a conference championship. First option has to be BYU. They are a national brand. Second is a split between Cinn (consistent product in FB and BB plus proximity to WVU) or Boise (year in and year out they are the best non-power 5 FB school, not a 1 year trick pony).

I believe they would be very satisfied with any 2 of those 3 schools.
12-08-2014 08:02 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


nosurf2day Offline
Special Teams
*

Posts: 861
Joined: Nov 2011
Reputation: 23
I Root For: UCF/ Gamecocks
Location: ECU Country; BOOOO!
Post: #2
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
I think they will try and exercise their current setup and receive a waiver to allow them to have a conference championship game with their current roster. As you said, I don't think they want to water down their current payout to new schools.

I think what will make them finally move to add teams is when the B1G receives their new contract. They will come to the table with "We are undervalued" and need to renegotiate our new contract. It would be at that time that they would add more teams. I would love for it to be UCF but as you said, there are other options that are more desirable. Our fan base is too young and doesn't travel well at all.
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2014 08:10 AM by nosurf2day.)
12-08-2014 08:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
FrancisDrake Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,648
Joined: Dec 2012
Reputation: 66
I Root For: Piecesof8
Location:
Post: #3
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
BYU had talks with the Big12 before and it didn't work out. I don't think that BYU is in play bc of their scheduling issues and bc any expansion will likely go east to aid WVU. I think it is Memphis and Cincy and its not close. Those two, sans UConn, have the most established national brands. UC is close to WVU and Memphis bridges the gap from those two to the core of the conference. Memphis' timing is perfect with the uptick in football.
12-08-2014 08:16 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
NJ1 Offline
King of Kong
*

Posts: 3,625
Joined: Nov 2007
Reputation: 462
I Root For: Memphis Tigers
Location:
Post: #4
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
BYU is problematic because of the Sunday thing and also because it does nothing to help the fact that WVU is a geographic island.

Boise St. is problematic because of academic prestige (was not-too-long-ago a junior college), endowment (very small compared to even the lowest of B12 schools), and academic budget (also far below). It also does nothing to help bridge the gap to WVU.

Cincinnati (aside from my blue colored glasses) is the only one I see that is anything close to ideal. It helps them geographically, and unlike most of the rest of us, they're part of a better class of losers-- there won't be as much of a hit to the B12 in the important areas.

I'm just hoping Memphis sneaks in as the 2nd team.
12-08-2014 08:21 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
tigersmoke1 Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 76
Joined: Oct 2014
Reputation: 2
I Root For: UniversityofMem
Location:
Post: #5
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
Totally agree. Byu and/or boise would stretch the big12 another 1000+ miles in the wrong direction. I would still give byu the upper hand except for their own stipulations- no sunday play, byutv which is a no for the big12, not to mention their prima dona attitude. I think the last negotiations left bad blood behind. Cincy is a given I think with memphis likely but if not I think uconn and ucf would be a toss up. Both bring real growth potential for a future conference network
12-08-2014 08:37 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
isidnirb Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,391
Joined: May 2013
Reputation: 21
I Root For: ECU
Location: Charlotte
Post: #6
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
From the rumor mill, after last shuffling BYU is much more receptive to joining a conference, namely Big 12. BYU appears to be the only school that would increase conference value ($$$). Others bring on court/field value but not much to TV and/or tixs sold. In that case Cinn trumps all for yearly success. Good timing for Memphis to have FB success but this is one time in a decade and football game day fan support is still not strong.
12-08-2014 08:40 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


apex_pirate Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,820
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 95
I Root For: East Carolina
Location:
Post: #7
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
In order of most likely targets...not gets (IMO)

Cincy
BYU
Memphis
UCF
ECU
USF

I think one Florida school is enough to satisfy their needs. It gets them in the market. i don't think BYU ends up going, though I think BYU would be foolish not to concede in areas. Memphis has swung wildly up with its recent football success coupled with market, location and basketball. Cincy for a lot of reasons. It also helps WVU some. ECU if they get down that far because of WVU and breaking into the NC market, football tradition.
12-08-2014 08:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ECBrad Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,533
Joined: Apr 2014
Reputation: 57
I Root For: ECU
Location: Auckland, NZ
Post: #8
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
Cinnci is a good option but not a guarantee or anything. They have a small stadium even with the expansion and are barely even the most popular team in their own city. Plus they wouldn't bring any real recruiting advantage from ohio that WVU doesn't already have on their own. They do have a lot of things going for them just everyone seems to talk like they are a home run.
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2014 09:38 AM by ECBrad.)
12-08-2014 08:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
sfink16 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,571
Joined: Jul 2013
Reputation: 73
I Root For: Temple
Location: Dubois, Pa
Post: #9
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
The last time the B12 filled spots was one each from the MWC and Big East/AAC in TCU and WV. I can see something similar again in Cincy and Boise. I can see another shot at BYU but one school not mentioned in this thread is Houston. Why not Houston? Decent in football and BB and easy travel.
12-08-2014 08:53 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The Knight Time Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,286
Joined: Sep 2003
Reputation: 93
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #10
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
Would you please stop saying Boise? They've been good for the past 12 years yet have been passed over time and time again and will be so in the future.

As good as they are, no one wants a presence in Idaho and their academics raise questions for conferences looking.

BYU is the same story. They've had great fan support and good teams for a LONG time. Yet have been passed over. And yes, it's directly related to the Mormon issue and specifically their list of demands for a conference to abide by.

It essentially boils down to UCF, Cincy, Memphis, and possibly ECU.

They're going to want a program with a "name" already attached, fan support, and TV market exposure.
12-08-2014 09:00 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Chappy Offline
Resident Goonie
*

Posts: 18,888
Joined: Dec 2008
Reputation: 899
I Root For: ECU
Location: Raleigh, NC
Post: #11
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
If the B12 expands because of this, they are over-reacting.

A championship game is a double-edged sword. Some years it helps you, other years it could hurt you. If Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon or Florida State had been upset in their title games, those conferences would have been out of the postseason. But there were no upsets, so the B12 is on the outside looking in.
12-08-2014 09:01 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Chappy Offline
Resident Goonie
*

Posts: 18,888
Joined: Dec 2008
Reputation: 899
I Root For: ECU
Location: Raleigh, NC
Post: #12
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
Also, let's face it... if Texas had gone 11-1 instead of TCU or Baylor, they'd be in. The four schools in the playoffs are bigger brands than TCU or Baylor. A title game is not going to change that.
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2014 09:03 AM by Chappy.)
12-08-2014 09:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
sfink16 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,571
Joined: Jul 2013
Reputation: 73
I Root For: Temple
Location: Dubois, Pa
Post: #13
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
(12-08-2014 09:01 AM)Chappy Wrote:  If the B12 expands because of this, they are over-reacting.

A championship game is a double-edged sword. Some years it helps you, other years it could hurt you. If Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon or Florida State had been upset in their title games, those conferences would have been out of the postseason. But there were no upsets, so the B12 is on the outside looking in.

^^^^ This ^^^^^
12-08-2014 09:06 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The Knight Time Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,286
Joined: Sep 2003
Reputation: 93
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #14
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
(12-08-2014 09:03 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Also, let's face it... if Texas had gone 11-1 instead of TCU or Baylor, they'd be in. The four schools in the playoffs are bigger brands than TCU or Baylor. A title game is not going to change that.

You just made THE case for assuring they have a title game. How asburd is it to rely on Texas or Oklahoma being the favorites, otherwsie knowing you're SOL against the "other" name programs from other conferences?

Is it really a good strategy to hope that OU is the leader and not Baylor or TCU?

And if you're one of the 8 programs not named Texas or Oklahoma, you'd be DEMANDING a champ game for this very reason.

Sorry, bad logic.
12-08-2014 09:08 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
AACtopER Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 347
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 7
I Root For: ECU
Location:
Post: #15
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
(12-08-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Would you please stop saying Boise? They've been good for the past 12 years yet have been passed over time and time again and will be so in the future.

As good as they are, no one wants a presence in Idaho and their academics raise questions for conferences looking.

BYU is the same story. They've had great fan support and good teams for a LONG time. Yet have been passed over. And yes, it's directly related to the Mormon issue and specifically their list of demands for a conference to abide by.

It essentially boils down to UCF, Cincy, Memphis, and possibly ECU.

They're going to want a program with a "name" already attached, fan support, and TV market exposure.

Seriously you beat us on a lucky hail mary pass and all of a sudden the top of the list...

I am sick of hearing us being put down....

Cinnci you won on a 45 yard field goal, and UCF you won on a fkup by our coach.

for god sakes we put up 21 point and 19 points in 4th quarter. Our team was undiscplined and our coaches lacked vision.



Pirate nation is live and well, we are still the team to beat a top 25 team and put up 70 on instate p5....

We will take this ish out on FL. HAHA and we still got the best bowl/opponent.

With that being said, Cinnci and UCF.... UCF you will beat NC state. Cinnci you will lose to Vtech....
12-08-2014 09:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ECUgradstudent Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,496
Joined: Dec 2003
Reputation: 12
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #16
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
Completely taking off the rose color glasses. If the BIG 12 can not get the wavier for champ game with 10 schools or get a public answer from the CFP committee that not having a single champion versus the co-champ deal where BIG 12 got greedy trying to get two teams in the top 4, I think this is the cheapest and best "percieved" additions:

The BIG 12 adds BYU and Air Force as football only members.

No Sunday issues for BYU with football only members. Both teams can find other conferences for rest of sports (BYU already so). They would be viewed as national and good additions. Finally, you might get FOX/ESPN to increase tv contract enough to cover their football only additions.

Hurts me to say as an ECU fan because I feel ECU would take a football only membership as well, but I think these are the two national teams. If Air Force says no, then Boise State would probably take the same deal.
12-08-2014 09:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


sfink16 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,571
Joined: Jul 2013
Reputation: 73
I Root For: Temple
Location: Dubois, Pa
Post: #17
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
(12-08-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Would you please stop saying Boise? They've been good for the past 12 years yet have been passed over time and time again and will be so in the future.

As good as they are, no one wants a presence in Idaho and their academics raise questions for conferences looking.

BYU is the same story. They've had great fan support and good teams for a LONG time. Yet have been passed over. And yes, it's directly related to the Mormon issue and specifically their list of demands for a conference to abide by.

It essentially boils down to UCF, Cincy, Memphis, and possibly ECU.

They're going to want a program with a "name" already attached, fan support, and TV market exposure.

Would please stop the nonsense of no Boise? If you think the B12 cares about academics over loss of revenue sharing then I have swamp land in Florida to sell you. Boise offers the most in a TV contract because of their relatively long term success being the best G5 team out there.

BYU will definitely be contacted if expansion is on the horizon. It's a mutual concept that both BYU and the B12 are at a disadvantage for the CFP selection. It helps negotiations when goals are in the mix.

I agree that Cincy is an obvious choice but don't count out Boise, BYU, and even Houston.
12-08-2014 09:12 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
The Knight Time Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 11,286
Joined: Sep 2003
Reputation: 93
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #18
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
(12-08-2014 09:09 AM)AACtopER Wrote:  
(12-08-2014 09:00 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Would you please stop saying Boise? They've been good for the past 12 years yet have been passed over time and time again and will be so in the future.

As good as they are, no one wants a presence in Idaho and their academics raise questions for conferences looking.

BYU is the same story. They've had great fan support and good teams for a LONG time. Yet have been passed over. And yes, it's directly related to the Mormon issue and specifically their list of demands for a conference to abide by.

It essentially boils down to UCF, Cincy, Memphis, and possibly ECU.

They're going to want a program with a "name" already attached, fan support, and TV market exposure.

Seriously you beat us on a lucky hail mary pass and all of a sudden the top of the list...

I am sick of hearing us being put down....

Cinnci you won on a 45 yard field goal, and UCF you won on a fkup by our coach.

for god sakes we put up 21 point and 19 points in 4th quarter. Our team was undiscplined and our coaches lacked vision.



Pirate nation is live and well, we are still the team to beat a top 25 team and put up 70 on instate p5....

We will take this ish out on FL. HAHA and we still got the best bowl/opponent.

With that being said, Cinnci and UCF.... UCF you will beat NC state. Cinnci you will lose to Vtech....

Wow, someone is butthurt that they lost, huh?

How old are you, 12?
12-08-2014 09:14 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
SublimeKnight Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,711
Joined: Jan 2011
Reputation: 328
I Root For: UCF
Location: ATL
Post: #19
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
If I take my school colored glasses off, I think it's still clearly UCF, but that's because I had black/gold radial keratotomy done.

In all seriousness, I have no clue. All I know is geography, academics, blah, blah, blah won't factor in. If the Big12 is serious, they'll go to fox/espn and have them choose in exchange for a new contract.
12-08-2014 09:15 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Juan Tibonya Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 298
Joined: Aug 2003
Reputation: 19
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #20
RE: Big 12 expansion without your school colored glasses....
I think the biggest factor in expansion will be economics and growth potential. If the B12 were not ruled by the goons from UT you would have to think that they would be trying to invest in a few programs. But I think eventually UT and Oklahoma jump ship and the B12 will be reduced to AAC status. The economics just need to be worked out.

BYU: B12 would take them, travel issues or no because they bring immediate $$$. And lets face it, that is what is important when looking at realignment. The rest is secondary.

If Boise was a good candidate it would have happened already. They are isolated, have a small TV market and little growth potential. I don't see this happening.

Memphis has basketball but very little football success. But old established school and good financial support. TV market is just ok. Probably a top candidate.

UC: I don't know much about them. They have a good TV market and make sense for a match with WVU. Probably a top candidate.

UCF: From a "possibilities" standpoint they probably have the most potential of any AAC school (giant school in economically sound central Florida, good TV market etc). Yet they don't bring any immediate gain to the B12 other than exposure to Florida recruiting. UCF is the best bet for someone looking at an investment, but has to be willing to wait some time. This means someone looking long term which does not bode well for expansion. Probably a secondary candidate.

USF: Similar to UCF. Not sure they have as much upside as UCF if only because they may be limited in growth by their location (UCF still has gobs of land). Is ahead of UCF in grants and research, but I don't think any of that will have much to do with expansion. As much as colleges like to claim that such things matter, the reality is athletics money is what matters. Probably a secondary candidate.

ECU: I expect that I will bear the wrath of ECU fans, but I think ECU has all those things that USED to be important for conference affiliation. Attendance, fan support, tradition etc. They don't have much of what is important now. TV sets. Yes I know I have seen every ECU post about their share of the NC market, but whether that is just perception or not I see ECU like Boise in that they are a bit isolated as far as a location and potential TV revenue. Probably a third level candidate.

I have left out all the current Texas teams. I don't see the B12 picking up another Texas based team. They have 4 teams now. Just does not seem to make sense. Forth level candidates.

Temple/Tulane - fifth level candidates. Both for location and potential.
12-08-2014 09:19 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.