(12-07-2014 03:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I know the ACC is for allowing conferncesthe ability to host a CCG and set their own rules. I think they were supportive of the Big Xii having it with ten because it G's e them a co-Sponsor. All it takes is for the other conferences be in favor of liquid divisions, for a lack of a better term, they may go that route and keep the 12 team minimum.

If for no other reason, he big XII's original point about not seeing a CCG if you play everyone is probably true. Thus I would think you do need 12 to make it make sense. Plus as stated, now that the other conferences see it as an advantage, they likely don't give it up. Seeing a team like TCU who was lauded the past two years come up and win, shows hat the more teams in the league, the harder it is to win. Thus it DOES give big Xii teams an advantage to only fight nine other teams while everyone else is fighting 11-13 teams.

Only works if you use head to head. Bowlsby about faces on that in favor of co champs

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(12-07-2014 01:44 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Of course the ccg is that important. Question is will the NCAA allow a ccg at 10? Answer is hopefully no.

There's no justification for it.

And it really makes no sense with the environment around college football (lawsuits, emphasis on improving things for student-athletes).

(12-07-2014 03:58 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 03:02 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:22 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I know the ACC is for allowing conferncesthe ability to host a CCG and set their own rules. I think they were supportive of the Big Xii having it with ten because it G's e them a co-Sponsor. All it takes is for the other conferences be in favor of liquid divisions, for a lack of a better term, they may go that route and keep the 12 team minimum.

If for no other reason, he big XII's original point about not seeing a CCG if you play everyone is probably true. Thus I would think you do need 12 to make it make sense. Plus as stated, now that the other conferences see it as an advantage, they likely don't give it up. Seeing a team like TCU who was lauded the past two years come up and win, shows hat the more teams in the league, the harder it is to win. Thus it DOES give big Xii teams an advantage to only fight nine other teams while everyone else is fighting 11-13 teams.

Only works if you use head to head. Bowlsby about faces on that in favor of co champs

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Did you just agree with yourself?

Well, one thing to consider is that if the Big 12 can have a CCG with 10 teams then why do divisions have to have equal numbers? If they open up the rule, why can't one division have 8 while the other has 7?

(12-07-2014 03:30 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 03:23 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:27 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  So, the Big12 is going to get stronger by adding two weak football teams in Memphis and Cincinnati? Would the strength of schedule decrease offset the addition of the championship game?

Had Baylor not lost to WV, they would be in and the B12 would say the current setup worked.

Yes, Memphis and Cincinnati are conference champions and not "weak" teams. Granted BYU and UConn are the most P5 like schools in the G5, but both have issues and are not the best fit for B12. Next up is Cincy and Memphis.
Yes, neither would be the worst team in B12. Just 3 years ago lil ole TCU wasn't "good enough" for B12 but this year they kicked ass.

Let's be honest about Memphis football over the last 20 years. Helluva basketball program though.

Thank you. Yes, we do have a helluva basketball program, which is very important to the B12 and essentially a minimum qualifier.

Honestly, Memphis football over the last 20 years has been a neglected sleeping giant. Memphis thought we could follow our peers Louisville and Cincinnati to a BCS conference with great basketball. After observing the changing landscape it became obvious a strong football program was a necessity, so we got a new president, new ad, new coach, practice facilities, stadium upgrades, tailgating area, and anything necessary to build a strong football program. and with the commitment immediately began improvement. We may be conference champs this year, but this is just the beginning of the buildup. Inclusion in a P5 conference and this giant will awake.

Listening to Chip Brown on Sirius-(and take it for what it is worth) it is his sense from talking from those in the know that a 10 Team League with a Championship Game is not going to fly...

From what I've heard, three main teams will be looked at: yes, Cincy and Memphis....and...Tulane?!

(12-07-2014 05:49 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  From what I've heard, three main teams will be looked at: yes, Cincy and Memphis....and...Tulane?!

Tulane is a member of the AAU and in a very good and untapped market for the Big XII....

Tulane have all of the intangibles down, but need to figure out whether they want to be a basketball-first or football-first school. They need to build an athletic brand.

I remember how a few schools threw up a big stink when Tulane went to the Big East. It will be worse if Tulane were to join the Big XII.

Only the Big12 knows what and whom They will be in contact with. It will probably happen very soon to meet those July 1st moving dates.

(12-07-2014 01:44 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Of course the ccg is that important. Question is will the NCAA allow a ccg at 10? Answer is hopefully no.

Surprised you'd say hopefully no as an ECU fan because if they shoot it down, then it is pretty likely your league loses at least one of your better programs and possibly 2.

If Cinci and Memphis were to go, the AAC just continues to look more and more like CUSA 2.0. It would be a bad thing for ECU unless ECU were likely to get one of the spots.

(12-07-2014 06:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Only the Big12 knows what and whom They will be in contact with. It will probably happen very soon to meet those July 1st moving dates.

Should be fun to watch all the G5 schools whoring themselves for the two spots and those crying that they have been shunned.

If it does not include BYU, I am not buying any of the combination of teams that would be considered for expansion of the big 12.

(12-07-2014 01:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  bowlsby on espn just said, they are going to push to get the CCG at 10..
but will consider adding institutions if they feel that is their only option and the CCG is that important

They know what they need to do...

Was thinking about this...here is one possibility.

Bowlsby is clearly full of crap when he says things like, "if we knew the CCG was such a big deal we would have had one", etc. They knew it was a big deal that's why they tried to get the ncaa to give them a CCG with 10 teams and it's also why they made a big deal about having "one true champion" (which they failed on haha). So what I'm saying is, Bowlsby is saying things that we all know are bull. Why?

Is it possible that they know they need to expand, are in the works setting it up and will announce the two teams soon (end of the year, after basketball, over the summer whatever). And saying things like, "Well shucks we may consider expansion one day" blah blah blah just to keep 60+ G5 schools from calling, texting, etc making a case for why the should be invited.

Put another way, it would be insane for the man to stand there today and say, "Yup, we need to expand. We are going to do a hard target search and come up with a couple candidates ASAP" because his phone, the B12 AD's phones, coaches, Presidents' phones, etc would all be ringing off the hook, their emails would be blowing up, they would be getting meeting requests with every G5 AD, President, etc. out there.

Just a thought.

Adding Memphis in Cincinnati does not strength in the big 12

I agree. Adding Memphis and Cincy does not strengthen the Big 12. In fact it weakens them both on the field and financially. That is why at least three of the other P5 conferences will not allow a CCG with only ten members, thereby forcing the Big 12 to expand and weaken itself.

(12-07-2014 11:40 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  I agree. Adding Memphis and Cincy does not strengthen the Big 12. In fact it weakens them both on the field and financially. That is why at least three of the other P5 conferences will not allow a CCG with only ten members, thereby forcing the Big 12 to expand and weaken itself.

Then maybe it is time to throw in the towel and dissolve for a new P4 model.

(12-07-2014 05:33 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  Inclusion in a P5 conference and this giant will awake.

But the P5 conference ... even one that decides after a couple of years getting hurt by not having a CCG ... may insist that the giant has to wake up first, and then they'll talk.

(12-07-2014 11:40 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  I agree. Adding Memphis and Cincy does not strengthen the Big 12. In fact it weakens them both on the field and financially. That is why at least three of the other P5 conferences will not allow a CCG with only ten members, thereby forcing the Big 12 to expand and weaken itself.

Its also why, if you take the Divisional problem into consideration, it may take more than one year with not having a CCG hurting the Big12 before they consider themselves to be "forced" to expand.

If they were to conclude that Cincinnati is likely to be in the expansion, however it shakes out, they could always open talks with BYU about a FB-only add, which circumvents the Sunday sports issue, and then look around six years from now to see if there is a compelling 12th all-sports, or a compelling 12th Olympic Sports add.

The Big 12 should expand westward, linking up with the PAC 12. Both conferences could help each other with OOC games and earlier game starting times for PAC 12 schools.

(12-07-2014 11:47 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 05:33 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  Inclusion in a P5 conference and this giant will awake.

But the P5 conference ... even one that decides after a couple of years getting hurt by not having a CCG ... may insist that the giant has to wake up first, and then they'll talk.

(12-07-2014 11:40 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  I agree. Adding Memphis and Cincy does not strengthen the Big 12. In fact it weakens them both on the field and financially. That is why at least three of the other P5 conferences will not allow a CCG with only ten members, thereby forcing the Big 12 to expand and weaken itself.

Its also why, if you take the Divisional problem into consideration, it may take more than one year with not having a CCG hurting the Big12 before they consider themselves to be "forced" to expand.

If they were to conclude that Cincinnati is likely to be in the expansion, however it shakes out, they could always open talks with BYU about a FB-only add, which circumvents the Sunday sports issue, and then look around six years from now to see if there is a compelling 12th all-sports, or a compelling 12th Olympic Sports add.

Their 12th compelling team should have been Louisville. I think the PAC 12 is going to start looking better to Texas and OU. They will not allow this mess to go on. After that happens we will be at the P4 model which should be the model now.