(12-07-2014 02:59 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:16 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  When you factor in the mix of On-field success and media markets (not to mention recruiting area and adding eastern teams for WVU), the obvious adds are UCF and Cincinnati. Any other combination is a reach.

Sorry, UCF IS NOT OBVIOUS choice. Cincinnati, BYU and others are more obvious. I'd be surprised if your even considered. A brand new college, a directional school, on top of that a total of 18 years of division 1 football getting picked up by the blue bloods of college athletics? Texas, Oklahoma etc. would never allow that

Add in they are on Probation for a second round of recruiting violations until 2017, and the Florida Supreme court is looking into their case in respect to the death of a player, which could result in a reversal of a $10 million fine.

UCF will be discussed. Large market and recent success cant be totally overlooked but I tend to think that Cincis longer term success in multiple sports along with BYU (who wouldnt mind being on an island) seems to make the most sense.

I think I'd be shocked if you didn't constantly bring this up.

If you dont think that they would look at that, then your seeing things with only a UCF slant. These are definitely issues they would look at.

I dont know why UCF is so sensitive about this. Its your history. Its what your school did and its not like it was that long ago. The Supreme Court of Florida is looking at the case right now and your still on probation... theres nothing to dispute. It is what it is.

and yes, I think BYU get consideration before UCF. Cinci has a better overall program and school. Much higher rated academically, better in more sports. BYU... I dont need to sell them. Theres a reason they make nearly 4 times as much as any AAC school.

If I were to rate the schools Id have UCF in 3rd tied with Memphis... with the lean going to UCF. Thats not USF colored glasses, thats an analysis of all aspects and not just recent football success.

No P5 schools will leave for the Big 12. The money will never be equal even with the value of OU and UT. A&M is long gone as in Arkansas. Move on.

(12-07-2014 01:21 PM)BLEEDBLUE81 Wrote:  Boisestate is Gonzaga of CFB, small market but national following. Have finished ranked 10 of last 12 yrs and just crashed Bigbowls for 3rd time in 9 yrs!!!

National following? Uh, okay.

think it's really funny the best thing to ever happen for Cincy could likely be Ohio St making the playoffs..

Keep in mind that Bowlsby did not say there was any catalyst for expansion. What he said was there is a catalyst for discussion of expansion - and it is being discussed online by a lot of people who have no voice in what the Big 12 does.

Just another troll thread.

(12-07-2014 05:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:59 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:16 PM)FonzKnight Wrote:  When you factor in the mix of On-field success and media markets (not to mention recruiting area and adding eastern teams for WVU), the obvious adds are UCF and Cincinnati. Any other combination is a reach.

Sorry, UCF IS NOT OBVIOUS choice. Cincinnati, BYU and others are more obvious. I'd be surprised if your even considered. A brand new college, a directional school, on top of that a total of 18 years of division 1 football getting picked up by the blue bloods of college athletics? Texas, Oklahoma etc. would never allow that

Add in they are on Probation for a second round of recruiting violations until 2017, and the Florida Supreme court is looking into their case in respect to the death of a player, which could result in a reversal of a $10 million fine.

UCF will be discussed. Large market and recent success cant be totally overlooked but I tend to think that Cincis longer term success in multiple sports along with BYU (who wouldnt mind being on an island) seems to make the most sense.

I think I'd be shocked if you didn't constantly bring this up.

If you dont think that they would look at that, then your seeing things with only a UCF slant. These are definitely issues they would look at.

I dont know why UCF is so sensitive about this. Its your history. Its what your school did and its not like it was that long ago. The Supreme Court of Florida is looking at the case right now and you're still on probation... there's nothing to dispute. It is what it is.

and yes, I think BYU get consideration before UCF. Cinci has a better overall program and school. Much higher rated academically, better in more sports. BYU... I dont need to sell them. Theres a reason they make nearly 4 times as much as any AAC school.

If I were to rate the schools Id have UCF in 3rd tied with Memphis... with the lean going to UCF. Thats not USF colored glasses, thats an analysis of all aspects and not just recent football success.

What you're saying is highly misleading. The court is looking at whether or not an institution like the UCFAA is a private institution or state run; thus affecting the amount of money they can payout. We're sensitive about it because you're talking about a human life that was lost not some talking point against expansion or for you to rail against your rival. What happened was an accident and someone is dead. Also, UCF isn't the only institution that this has happened at. Have some respect for the family, the dead, and yourself. You can certainly have your own opinions but keep them classy. We get it, you don't like UCF, grow up and move on. For shame.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1735203

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/0...W020130405

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-08...r-lee-hull

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...e/1691039/

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/Form...87542.html

Most of these happened in 2014.

(12-07-2014 01:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:28 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  And the pressure mounts for expansion while the reasons why the Big 12 couldn't expand with existing options, still hangs over their heads. How long before the foundation cracks?

(12-07-2014 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Big12 to implode in 3....2....1....

The truth. Not trying to take shots at anyone. But how long do you think that Texas will want to be in a conference with the choices that are left?

Precisely! The ugly truth that in a world driven by market share TV networks have no place for a small market conference just got mailed in in spades. Adding Memphis and Cincinnati don't address those issues and neither does B.Y.U. Outside of Texas there just isn't enough eyeballs in the middle of the country to make this work considering the pool of expansion candidates that are still around.

Texas and Oklahoma are presently rethinking their futures. It is now obvious that if they are not involved in the finals that the Big 12 will finish out of the money and the wonderful seasons for Baylor and T.C.U. and others not named Texas and Oklahoma mean little.

Those two have no worries. If Oklahoma or Texas wins the Big-12 they make the playoff. This is the bowl selection committee all over again. Expand the playoff to 8 with AQ's for the 5 power conference and top G5 champ with 2 wild cards. Done. No complaints. No law suits. No problems.

(12-07-2014 05:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  All of the Big 12's options are even more unattractive than the ACC's options right now.

BYU is a total misfit in geography and culture. Cincinnati even more so. You already have a total WTF in West Virginia ... you really going to turn this into some original pre-AAC split Big East duct taped monster?

If Bowlsby had the balls ... he'd go to the mat for Texas to drop down to an equal share if Arkansas and TAMU come over. Both of the former are outstanding fits. And if you're going to pick a hill to die on -- at least that one is worthwhile.

Hey, there is no back to the future with the income disparity and it is going to be palpable. The Hogs and Aggies aren't going anywhere. I agree with XLance on this one. The fuse was lit today for the next major explosion within the Big 12.

(12-07-2014 07:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 05:18 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  All of the Big 12's options are even more unattractive than the ACC's options right now.

BYU is a total misfit in geography and culture. Cincinnati even more so. You already have a total WTF in West Virginia ... you really going to turn this into some original pre-AAC split Big East duct taped monster?

If Bowlsby had the balls ... he'd go to the mat for Texas to drop down to an equal share if Arkansas and TAMU come over. Both of the former are outstanding fits. And if you're going to pick a hill to die on -- at least that one is worthwhile.

Hey, there is no back to the future with the income disparity and it is going to be palpable. The Hogs and Aggies aren't going anywhere. I agree with XLance on this one. The fuse was lit today for the next major explosion within the Big 12.

Please expound on your point.

(12-07-2014 07:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:28 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  And the pressure mounts for expansion while the reasons why the Big 12 couldn't expand with existing options, still hangs over their heads. How long before the foundation cracks?

(12-07-2014 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Big12 to implode in 3....2....1....

The truth. Not trying to take shots at anyone. But how long do you think that Texas will want to be in a conference with the choices that are left?

Precisely! The ugly truth that in a world driven by market share TV networks have no place for a small market conference just got mailed in in spades. Adding Memphis and Cincinnati don't address those issues and neither does B.Y.U. Outside of Texas there just isn't enough eyeballs in the middle of the country to make this work considering the pool of expansion candidates that are still around.

Texas and Oklahoma are presently rethinking their futures. It is now obvious that if they are not involved in the finals that the Big 12 will finish out of the money and the wonderful seasons for Baylor and T.C.U. and others not named Texas and Oklahoma mean little.

Those two have no worries. If Oklahoma or Texas wins the Big-12 they make the playoff. This is the bowl selection committee all over again. Expand the playoff to 8 with AQ's for the 5 power conference and top G5 champ with 2 wild cards. Done. No complaints. No law suits. No problems.

The reason you will never see an AQ because the odds are the P5 Champions will qualify if there is a Top 8. G5 will never get a auto spot if it goes to 8. I actually like the 4 teams, keeps the drama alive. Makes CCGs count. Finally, works great with the current bowl system.

(12-07-2014 07:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:40 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:28 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:18 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  And the pressure mounts for expansion while the reasons why the Big 12 couldn't expand with existing options, still hangs over their heads. How long before the foundation cracks?

(12-07-2014 01:23 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Big12 to implode in 3....2....1....

The truth. Not trying to take shots at anyone. But how long do you think that Texas will want to be in a conference with the choices that are left?

Precisely! The ugly truth that in a world driven by market share TV networks have no place for a small market conference just got mailed in in spades. Adding Memphis and Cincinnati don't address those issues and neither does B.Y.U. Outside of Texas there just isn't enough eyeballs in the middle of the country to make this work considering the pool of expansion candidates that are still around.

Texas and Oklahoma are presently rethinking their futures. It is now obvious that if they are not involved in the finals that the Big 12 will finish out of the money and the wonderful seasons for Baylor and T.C.U. and others not named Texas and Oklahoma mean little.

Those two have no worries. If Oklahoma or Texas wins the Big-12 they make the playoff. This is the bowl selection committee all over again. Expand the playoff to 8 with AQ's for the 5 power conference and top G5 champ with 2 wild cards. Done. No complaints. No law suits. No problems.

So basically you are asking ESPN and their millions invested in the current system and the rest of the conference's who are fine with the system to change in order to suit Texas and Oklahoma instead of the Big 12 changing their "model"?

If not, the Big 12 and the G5 will file a law suit?



How about the Big 12 just alternate designated Big 12 conference champs every year between Oklahoma and Texas?

(12-07-2014 07:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 05:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:59 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:36 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Sorry, UCF IS NOT OBVIOUS choice. Cincinnati, BYU and others are more obvious. I'd be surprised if your even considered. A brand new college, a directional school, on top of that a total of 18 years of division 1 football getting picked up by the blue bloods of college athletics? Texas, Oklahoma etc. would never allow that

Add in they are on Probation for a second round of recruiting violations until 2017, and the Florida Supreme court is looking into their case in respect to the death of a player, which could result in a reversal of a $10 million fine.

UCF will be discussed. Large market and recent success cant be totally overlooked but I tend to think that Cincis longer term success in multiple sports along with BYU (who wouldnt mind being on an island) seems to make the most sense.

I think I'd be shocked if you didn't constantly bring this up.

If you dont think that they would look at that, then your seeing things with only a UCF slant. These are definitely issues they would look at.

I dont know why UCF is so sensitive about this. Its your history. Its what your school did and its not like it was that long ago. The Supreme Court of Florida is looking at the case right now and you're still on probation... there's nothing to dispute. It is what it is.

and yes, I think BYU get consideration before UCF. Cinci has a better overall program and school. Much higher rated academically, better in more sports. BYU... I dont need to sell them. Theres a reason they make nearly 4 times as much as any AAC school.

If I were to rate the schools Id have UCF in 3rd tied with Memphis... with the lean going to UCF. Thats not USF colored glasses, thats an analysis of all aspects and not just recent football success.

What you're saying is highly misleading. The court is looking at whether or not an institution like the UCFAA is a private institution or state run; thus affecting the amount of money they can payout. We're sensitive about it because you're talking about a human life that was lost not some talking point against expansion or for you to rail against your rival. What happened was an accident and someone is dead. Also, UCF isn't the only institution that this has happened at. Have some respect for the family, the dead, and yourself. You can certainly have your own opinions but keep them classy. We get it, you don't like UCF, grow up and move on. For shame.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1735203

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/0...W020130405

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-08...r-lee-hull

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...e/1691039/

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/Form...87542.html

Most of these happened in 2014.

It WASNT an accident, it was culpable negligence and yall should pay that family. His life was worth more then $200K.

THe last words that poor child heard was your head coach insulting him and telling him he could do better. Thats why I am pissed and if you think that the B12 isnt looking at both of those factors, then your misguided.

If you look strictly at television market size, the order is Houston (10), Tampa (13), Orlando (18), Cincinnati (36), then Memphis (50). Houston, Tampa, and Cincinnati have the disadvantage of being NFL towns. You have to factor in market overlap as well, which might affect decisions to add Orlando and Tampa together, or Houston. In any case, I wouldn't be completely shocked if any of Houston, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, or Memphis was invited.

http://www.tvb.org/media/file/Nielsen_20..._Ranks.pdf

(12-07-2014 07:57 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 05:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:59 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:42 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  Add in they are on Probation for a second round of recruiting violations until 2017, and the Florida Supreme court is looking into their case in respect to the death of a player, which could result in a reversal of a $10 million fine.

UCF will be discussed. Large market and recent success cant be totally overlooked but I tend to think that Cincis longer term success in multiple sports along with BYU (who wouldnt mind being on an island) seems to make the most sense.

I think I'd be shocked if you didn't constantly bring this up.

If you dont think that they would look at that, then your seeing things with only a UCF slant. These are definitely issues they would look at.

I dont know why UCF is so sensitive about this. Its your history. Its what your school did and its not like it was that long ago. The Supreme Court of Florida is looking at the case right now and you're still on probation... there's nothing to dispute. It is what it is.

and yes, I think BYU get consideration before UCF. Cinci has a better overall program and school. Much higher rated academically, better in more sports. BYU... I dont need to sell them. Theres a reason they make nearly 4 times as much as any AAC school.

If I were to rate the schools Id have UCF in 3rd tied with Memphis... with the lean going to UCF. Thats not USF colored glasses, thats an analysis of all aspects and not just recent football success.

What you're saying is highly misleading. The court is looking at whether or not an institution like the UCFAA is a private institution or state run; thus affecting the amount of money they can payout. We're sensitive about it because you're talking about a human life that was lost not some talking point against expansion or for you to rail against your rival. What happened was an accident and someone is dead. Also, UCF isn't the only institution that this has happened at. Have some respect for the family, the dead, and yourself. You can certainly have your own opinions but keep them classy. We get it, you don't like UCF, grow up and move on. For shame.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1735203

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/0...W020130405

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-08...r-lee-hull

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...e/1691039/

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/Form...87542.html

Most of these happened in 2014.

It WASNT an accident, it was culpable negligence and yall should pay that family. His life was worth more then $200K.

THe last words that poor child heard was your head coach insulting him and telling him he could do better. Thats why I am pissed and if you think that the B12 isnt looking at both of those factors, then your misguided.

Yes, UCF had every intention of killing someone. Negligible is a civil term not a criminal term. If you are trying to be taken seriously you should probably start by realizing the difference between the contraction you are, and your.

(12-07-2014 08:01 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:57 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 05:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 02:59 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  I think I'd be shocked if you didn't constantly bring this up.

If you dont think that they would look at that, then your seeing things with only a UCF slant. These are definitely issues they would look at.

I dont know why UCF is so sensitive about this. Its your history. Its what your school did and its not like it was that long ago. The Supreme Court of Florida is looking at the case right now and you're still on probation... there's nothing to dispute. It is what it is.

and yes, I think BYU get consideration before UCF. Cinci has a better overall program and school. Much higher rated academically, better in more sports. BYU... I dont need to sell them. Theres a reason they make nearly 4 times as much as any AAC school.

If I were to rate the schools Id have UCF in 3rd tied with Memphis... with the lean going to UCF. Thats not USF colored glasses, thats an analysis of all aspects and not just recent football success.

What you're saying is highly misleading. The court is looking at whether or not an institution like the UCFAA is a private institution or state run; thus affecting the amount of money they can payout. We're sensitive about it because you're talking about a human life that was lost not some talking point against expansion or for you to rail against your rival. What happened was an accident and someone is dead. Also, UCF isn't the only institution that this has happened at. Have some respect for the family, the dead, and yourself. You can certainly have your own opinions but keep them classy. We get it, you don't like UCF, grow up and move on. For shame.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1735203

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/0...W020130405

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-08...r-lee-hull

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...e/1691039/

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/Form...87542.html

Most of these happened in 2014.

It WASNT an accident, it was culpable negligence and yall should pay that family. His life was worth more then $200K.

THe last words that poor child heard was your head coach insulting him and telling him he could do better. Thats why I am pissed and if you think that the B12 isnt looking at both of those factors, then your misguided.

Yes, UCF had every intention of killing someone. Negligible is a civil term not a criminal term. If you are trying to be taken seriously you should probably start by realizing the difference between the contraction you are, and your.

I really dont give a **** about grammar on a Sunday night.... I really really dont.

Intent doesn't matter. You should know that since your attempting to discredit me... and they werent found criminally guilty. They were found civilly. Wrongful death is a civil charge.

So Jared, it seems that I do indeed know what I am talking about. I am really trying to not get into it with you again, since we've slowly thawed our war, but for ONCE can a UCF fan have an ounce of class and just say that you were wrong. You didn't follow protocol, your coach ran a child to death and you did indeed cheat.

All has been proven in courts or within NCAA investigation. At some point, UCF as a fanbase needs to stop trying to deflect and realize your program did some really crappy stuff. Defending it only makes you look bad as an individual.

From Schlabach's article today:

"Bowlsby said the Big 12 might have to explore the possibility of adding at least two teams to expand to 12 members. BYU officials have openly expressed their desire to join the Big 12, and Cincinnati and Boise State might be other possibilities for Big 12 expansion."

No mention of UCF, Memphis, ECU, etc.

(12-07-2014 08:11 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  From Schlabach's article today:

"Bowlsby said the Big 12 might have to explore the possibility of adding at least two teams to expand to 12 members. BYU officials have openly expressed their desire to join the Big 12, and Cincinnati and Boise State might be other possibilities for Big 12 expansion."

No mention of UCF, Memphis, ECU, etc.

Ive got just under $10k in the bank right now. Anybody want to make a bet Boise doesnt get in? I will.

No market, no real national following, no other success in other sports, no academic ranking, no research, no endowment.... other then football, you have nothing to add to the Big 12. Great football team... nothing else.

(12-07-2014 08:10 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 08:01 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:57 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 05:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If you dont think that they would look at that, then your seeing things with only a UCF slant. These are definitely issues they would look at.

I dont know why UCF is so sensitive about this. Its your history. Its what your school did and its not like it was that long ago. The Supreme Court of Florida is looking at the case right now and you're still on probation... there's nothing to dispute. It is what it is.

and yes, I think BYU get consideration before UCF. Cinci has a better overall program and school. Much higher rated academically, better in more sports. BYU... I dont need to sell them. Theres a reason they make nearly 4 times as much as any AAC school.

If I were to rate the schools Id have UCF in 3rd tied with Memphis... with the lean going to UCF. Thats not USF colored glasses, thats an analysis of all aspects and not just recent football success.

What you're saying is highly misleading. The court is looking at whether or not an institution like the UCFAA is a private institution or state run; thus affecting the amount of money they can payout. We're sensitive about it because you're talking about a human life that was lost not some talking point against expansion or for you to rail against your rival. What happened was an accident and someone is dead. Also, UCF isn't the only institution that this has happened at. Have some respect for the family, the dead, and yourself. You can certainly have your own opinions but keep them classy. We get it, you don't like UCF, grow up and move on. For shame.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1735203

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/0...W020130405

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-08...r-lee-hull

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...e/1691039/

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/Form...87542.html

Most of these happened in 2014.

It WASNT an accident, it was culpable negligence and yall should pay that family. His life was worth more then $200K.

THe last words that poor child heard was your head coach insulting him and telling him he could do better. Thats why I am pissed and if you think that the B12 isnt looking at both of those factors, then your misguided.

Yes, UCF had every intention of killing someone. Negligible is a civil term not a criminal term. If you are trying to be taken seriously you should probably start by realizing the difference between the contraction you are, and your.

I really dont give a **** about grammar on a Sunday night.... I really really dont.

Intent doesn't matter. You should know that since your attempting to discredit me... and they werent found criminally guilty. They were found civilly. Wrongful death is a civil charge.

So Jared, it seems that I do indeed know what I am talking about. I am really trying to not get into it with you again, since we've slowly thawed our war, but for ONCE can a UCF fan have an ounce of class and just say that you were wrong. You didn't follow protocol, your coach ran a child to death and you did indeed cheat.

All has been proven in courts or within NCAA investigation. At some point, UCF as a fanbase needs to stop trying to deflect and realize your program did some really crappy stuff. Defending it only makes you look bad as an individual.

Not defending or deflecting, UCF did indeed cheat, which wasn't even a part of what you or I said originally. I merely asked for some semblance of catharsis or humanity and not have tragedies used as talking points in diatribes against rivals. Some things supersede athletics, like Devon Gardner comforting JT Barrett or like something I saw last week on this forum where an ECU fan offered to let a visiting UCF fan park at his house and walk him and his family to the stadium. I'd like like to think some things are out of bounds and that tragedies are one of those things. Clearly I'm wrong and that you are devoid of humanity and compassion and crass enough to opine that tragedies are synonymous with wrong doing such as athletic cheating. If anything I'm more disappointed that a grown man would constantly use the death of a young man for forum clout. I'm not mad, I just pity you I really do. There are greater things in life than this, I hope you find your own peace and I suppose when you're old enough or experience loss you'll understand. I'm sorry.

(12-07-2014 08:41 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 08:10 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 08:01 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:57 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:34 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  What you're saying is highly misleading. The court is looking at whether or not an institution like the UCFAA is a private institution or state run; thus affecting the amount of money they can payout. We're sensitive about it because you're talking about a human life that was lost not some talking point against expansion or for you to rail against your rival. What happened was an accident and someone is dead. Also, UCF isn't the only institution that this has happened at. Have some respect for the family, the dead, and yourself. You can certainly have your own opinions but keep them classy. We get it, you don't like UCF, grow up and move on. For shame.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/colleg...-1.1735203

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/0...W020130405

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2014-08...r-lee-hull

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...e/1691039/

http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/Form...87542.html

Most of these happened in 2014.

It WASNT an accident, it was culpable negligence and yall should pay that family. His life was worth more then $200K.

THe last words that poor child heard was your head coach insulting him and telling him he could do better. Thats why I am pissed and if you think that the B12 isnt looking at both of those factors, then your misguided.

Yes, UCF had every intention of killing someone. Negligible is a civil term not a criminal term. If you are trying to be taken seriously you should probably start by realizing the difference between the contraction you are, and your.

I really dont give a **** about grammar on a Sunday night.... I really really dont.

Intent doesn't matter. You should know that since your attempting to discredit me... and they werent found criminally guilty. They were found civilly. Wrongful death is a civil charge.

So Jared, it seems that I do indeed know what I am talking about. I am really trying to not get into it with you again, since we've slowly thawed our war, but for ONCE can a UCF fan have an ounce of class and just say that you were wrong. You didn't follow protocol, your coach ran a child to death and you did indeed cheat.

All has been proven in courts or within NCAA investigation. At some point, UCF as a fanbase needs to stop trying to deflect and realize your program did some really crappy stuff. Defending it only makes you look bad as an individual.

Not defending or deflecting, UCF did indeed cheat, which wasn't even a part of what you or I said originally. I merely asked for some semblance of catharsis or humanity and not have tragedies used as talking points in diatribes against rivals. Some things supersede athletics, like Devon Gardner comforting JT Barrett or like something I saw last week on this forum where an ECU fan offered to let a visiting UCF fan park at his house and walk him and his family to the stadium. I'd like to think some things are out of bounds and that tragedies are one of those things. Clearly I'm wrong and that you are devoid of humanity and compassion and crass enough to opine that tragedies are synonymous with wrong doing such as athletic cheating. If anything more disappointed that a grown man would constantly use the death of a young man for forum clout. I'm not mad, I just pity you I really do. There are greater things in life than this, I hope you find your own peace and I suppose when you're old enough or experience loss you'll understand. I'm sorry.

Nice try spinning that. I simply pointed out that UCF has some serious baggage that the Big 12 would take into consideration and you attempted to say it was a non issue.

I am not "using" the information for any agenda. I am pointing out the obvious. Your school has some serious issues that the B12 will take into account and anybody who thinks otherwise is blind.

and I know loss and levels most dont but I am not going into it.

(12-07-2014 08:14 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 08:11 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  From Schlabach's article today:

"Bowlsby said the Big 12 might have to explore the possibility of adding at least two teams to expand to 12 members. BYU officials have openly expressed their desire to join the Big 12, and Cincinnati and Boise State might be other possibilities for Big 12 expansion."

No mention of UCF, Memphis, ECU, etc.

Ive got just under $10k in the bank right now. Anybody want to make a bet Boise doesnt get in? I will.

No market, no real national following, no other success in other sports, no academic ranking, no research, no endowment.... other then football, you have nothing to add to the Big 12. Great football team... nothing else.

All I did was quote an article about Big 12 expansion, not sure what all your saltiness is about.