(12-07-2014 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ahem...

OSU would NEVER have moved past Mississippi State. Sorry about that ...

That will ever know but I guarantee you they would have

Jeff long just said that the b1g got over the big 12 because of the ccg helped their resume. I thought the point was to put the best teams in. Just because osu has one extra win doesn't make them the better team which is the true travesty of the events and proves how stupid the committee is and how it backs away from the hard decision (tcu or Baylor) and found an excuse to make it easier.

(12-07-2014 01:02 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU is the real travesty. They BARELY get by Georgia Tech, and they move UP?

That's just crazy.

I know your opinion, I know you think winning the championship last year and going undefeated this year shouldn't matter but...I think this goes to show that the committee thinks it should.

If so, that is a really, really, stupid thing for them to do. It's old poll-and-bowl thinking. It puts reputation over accomplishments.

Accomplishments? 12-0 vs P5 competition. 3-0 vs top 25. Undefeated. What other accomplishments do they need?

You left out wins against 9 P5 Bowl Teams...

How many of them were 7-5 or 6-6 ACC teams?

(12-07-2014 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:50 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ahem...

OSU would NEVER have moved past Mississippi State. Sorry about that ...

I'm not bother arguing. I don't have to.

FSU is the real travesty. They BARELY get by Georgia Tech, and they move UP?

That's just crazy.

Umm FSU beat #11 GT who just beat a mighty SEC team on the road. Yes, it was an east team but you don't get to disown half the conference. BC beat USC, Clemson dismantled USCjr. The point is, they had some good wins and zero losses.

(12-07-2014 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU is the real travesty. They BARELY get by Georgia Tech, and they move UP?

That's just crazy.

I know your opinion, I know you think winning the championship last year and going undefeated this year shouldn't matter but...I think this goes to show that the committee thinks it should.

If so, that is a really, really, stupid thing for them to do. It's old poll-and-bowl thinking. It puts reputation over accomplishments.

Accomplishments? 12-0 vs P5 competition. 3-0 vs top 25. Undefeated. What other accomplishments do they need?

FSU barely squeaked by mediocre teams, week after week after week. No team has ever been so lucky to be undefeated.

Whatever. You think Nick Saban cared be beat Arkansas by 1 point on a blocked extra point. NO. You play to win the game. Doesn't matter if it's by 50 or 1. You want a beauty contest and you have to understand not everyone is going to win that way.

I'm not sure having a B12 CG would have helped Baylor or TCU.

(12-07-2014 12:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Committee is hilarious!

TCU is #3 and wins by 50, and drops from 3 to 6?

What a joke!

Yep, unreal drop after winning by 50

(12-07-2014 01:03 PM)Tulsaguy Wrote:  Jeff long just said that the b1g got over the big 12 because of the ccg helped their resume. I thought the point was to put the best teams in. Just because osu has one extra win doesn't make them the better team which is the true travesty of the events and proves how stupid the committee is and how it backs away from the hard decision (tcu or Baylor) and found an excuse to make it easier.

Playoff games are neutral site games on the big stage.

Conference Championship games are neutral site games on the big stage.

(12-07-2014 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:02 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I know your opinion, I know you think winning the championship last year and going undefeated this year shouldn't matter but...I think this goes to show that the committee thinks it should.

If so, that is a really, really, stupid thing for them to do. It's old poll-and-bowl thinking. It puts reputation over accomplishments.

Accomplishments? 12-0 vs P5 competition. 3-0 vs top 25. Undefeated. What other accomplishments do they need?

You left out wins against 9 P5 Bowl Teams...

How many of them were 7-5 or 6-6 ACC teams?

Baylor had the weakest schedule in the country. TCU played their last big game against Iowa State. Please.....just stop now.

(12-07-2014 01:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I'm not sure having a B12 CG would have helped Baylor or TCU.

The Big 12 would have been forced into either declaring one of them better than the other in order to choose which of them goes into the CCG OR they would have had them put against each other in the CCG game if they were in different divisions.

It absolutely could have made a major difference.

(12-07-2014 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU is the real travesty. They BARELY get by Georgia Tech, and they move UP?

That's just crazy.

I know your opinion, I know you think winning the championship last year and going undefeated this year shouldn't matter but...I think this goes to show that the committee thinks it should.

If so, that is a really, really, stupid thing for them to do. It's old poll-and-bowl thinking. It puts reputation over accomplishments.

Accomplishments? 12-0 vs P5 competition. 3-0 vs top 25. Undefeated. What other accomplishments do they need?

FSU barely squeaked by mediocre teams, week after week after week. No team has ever been so lucky to be undefeated.

They won....against 12 P5 Teams....9 Bowl Teams....3 Top 20 Teams....

(12-07-2014 12:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:57 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I'm surprised it wasn't'
Alabama vs FSU
Oregon vs OSU

make oregon #1. I see lots of empty seats at the Rose Bowl with FSU

Yeah, I think that Oregon vs FSU matchup will be looked at in the future as a reason to set up the pairings in ways that lead to better over all match ups. Crowd sizes absolutely account into that in these types of games.

The Oregon crowd is going to drown out the FSU crowd.

No doubt. When they expand this party to 8 teams, the first-round games will have to be hosted by the 4 top seeds, or else they'll be played at neutral sites with a lot of empty seats.

(12-07-2014 01:06 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I know your opinion, I know you think winning the championship last year and going undefeated this year shouldn't matter but...I think this goes to show that the committee thinks it should.

If so, that is a really, really, stupid thing for them to do. It's old poll-and-bowl thinking. It puts reputation over accomplishments.

Accomplishments? 12-0 vs P5 competition. 3-0 vs top 25. Undefeated. What other accomplishments do they need?

FSU barely squeaked by mediocre teams, week after week after week. No team has ever been so lucky to be undefeated.

They won....against 12 P5 Teams....9 Bowl Teams....3 Top 20 Teams....

A bunch of bad ACC teams. ACC was easily the worst conference this year.

(12-07-2014 12:53 PM)Wedge Wrote:  As I was saying last night, the committee just destroyed the credibility of its in-season rankings. Last week's #3 team wins 55-3 and gets dropped to #6.

These are not legitimate weekly rankings. They change on a whim. It's like asking a kid to rank his favorite ice cream flavors and the list is completely different every time you go to Baskin-Robbins.

Yep. This is why basketball doesn't release committee rankings.

(12-07-2014 01:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I'm not sure having a B12 CG would have helped Baylor or TCU.

The only that could have helped the big 12 was switching those two with Texas and Oklahoma.

(12-07-2014 01:04 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:50 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ahem...

OSU would NEVER have moved past Mississippi State. Sorry about that ...

I'm not bother arguing. I don't have to.

FSU is the real travesty. They BARELY get by Georgia Tech, and they move UP?

That's just crazy.

Umm FSU beat #11 GT who just beat a mighty SEC team on the road. Yes, it was an east team but you don't get to disown half the conference. BC beat USC, Clemson dismantled USCjr. The point is, they had some good wins and zero losses.

By all objective indicators, the ACC was the worst P5 conference.

(12-07-2014 01:05 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I know your opinion, I know you think winning the championship last year and going undefeated this year shouldn't matter but...I think this goes to show that the committee thinks it should.

If so, that is a really, really, stupid thing for them to do. It's old poll-and-bowl thinking. It puts reputation over accomplishments.

Accomplishments? 12-0 vs P5 competition. 3-0 vs top 25. Undefeated. What other accomplishments do they need?

FSU barely squeaked by mediocre teams, week after week after week. No team has ever been so lucky to be undefeated.

Whatever. You think Nick Saban cared be beat Arkansas by 1 point on a blocked extra point. NO. You play to win the game. Doesn't matter if it's by 50 or 1. You want a beauty contest and you have to understand not everyone is going to win that way.

Alabama beat a 6-6 Arkansas by one point and struggled against a mediocre LSU Team....nobody complained...a win is a win

(12-07-2014 01:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:06 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  If so, that is a really, really, stupid thing for them to do. It's old poll-and-bowl thinking. It puts reputation over accomplishments.

Accomplishments? 12-0 vs P5 competition. 3-0 vs top 25. Undefeated. What other accomplishments do they need?

FSU barely squeaked by mediocre teams, week after week after week. No team has ever been so lucky to be undefeated.

They won....against 12 P5 Teams....9 Bowl Teams....3 Top 20 Teams....

A bunch of bad ACC teams. ACC was easily the worst conference this year.

Yeah..easily the worst conference that has the most P5 non conference wins. Just stop it now.

(12-07-2014 01:08 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 01:04 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:50 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:49 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  OSU would NEVER have moved past Mississippi State. Sorry about that ...

I'm not bother arguing. I don't have to.

FSU is the real travesty. They BARELY get by Georgia Tech, and they move UP?

That's just crazy.

Umm FSU beat #11 GT who just beat a mighty SEC team on the road. Yes, it was an east team but you don't get to disown half the conference. BC beat USC, Clemson dismantled USCjr. The point is, they had some good wins and zero losses.

By all objective indicators, the ACC was the worst P5 conference.

A league that went 4 and ZERO on Rivalry Week against the SEC....

(12-07-2014 01:07 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 12:57 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I'm surprised it wasn't'
Alabama vs FSU
Oregon vs OSU

make oregon #1. I see lots of empty seats at the Rose Bowl with FSU

Yeah, I think that Oregon vs FSU matchup will be looked at in the future as a reason to set up the pairings in ways that lead to better over all match ups. Crowd sizes absolutely account into that in these types of games.

The Oregon crowd is going to drown out the FSU crowd.

No doubt. When they expand this party to 8 teams, the first-round games will have to be hosted by the 4 top seeds, or else they'll be played at neutral sites with a lot of empty seats.

Spot on... just like the NFL does it...