It's a day that will live in infamy

and until I went to grade school I thought that was only because it was my big sister's birthday

(12-09-2014 10:14 AM)Willie Becton Wrote:  It's a day that will live in infamy

and until I went to grade school I thought that was only because it was my big sister's birthday

Thanks for responding, those of us who remember must never let it be forgotten.

Does anybody remember the restaurant out near the airport called 91st Bomb Group? Great atmosphere. Fireplaces, beamed ceilings, wonderful food, huge glass windows with a view of the airport at night. I remember whenever I'd go to the restroom they'd be playing Roosevelt and Churchill speeches, and it would just give me chills. Whole place looked like a bombed out sandbagged French chateau bunker or something. Just awesome. Also the Memphis Belle was parked right outside, rusting away...

Rusting away? I thought the plane was made out of aluminum?

As for the war I remember when we still hated the Japanese.

(12-09-2014 03:08 PM)Hoopla Wrote:  Does anybody remember the restaurant out near the airport called 91st Bomb Group? Great atmosphere. Fireplaces, beamed ceilings, wonderful food, huge glass windows with a view of the airport at night. I remember whenever I'd go to the restroom they'd be playing Roosevelt and Churchill speeches, and it would just give me chills. Whole place looked like a bombed out sandbagged French chateau bunker or something. Just awesome. Also the Memphis Belle was parked right outside, rusting away...

Yep, sandbags along the entry way...official name was 91st Bomb Group H.

A very sad day in US history. If not for bad weather, and several key mistakes by the Japanese, we would have lost to a superior naval force. The fact that they decided not to bomb the fuel supply dump at Pearl proved to be huge.

Also a bit of good luck with the weather breaking, and our bombers finding the Japanese carriers with the bulk of their planes on deck being rearmed. At that time the bulk of their Zero fighters flying at low altitude defending against the US torpedo planes leaving the incoming US bomb attack pretty much without any resistance. It sent the Japan fleet retreating.

But maybe the efforts by our guys breaking the Japanese message codes was the real back breaker.

(12-09-2014 08:02 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  A very sad day in US history. If not for bad weather, and several key mistakes by the Japanese, we would have lost to a superior naval force. The fact that they decided not to bomb the fuel supply dump at Pearl proved to be huge.

Also a bit of good luck with the weather breaking, and our bombers finding the Japanese carriers with the bulk of their planes on deck being rearmed. At that time the bulk of their Zero fighters flying at low altitude defending against the US torpedo planes leaving the incoming US bomb attack pretty much without any resistance. It sent the Japan fleet retreating.

But maybe the efforts by our guys breaking the Japanese message codes was the real back breaker.

I think you're confusing Midway with Pearl Harbor, but yes, the codebreakers were amazing folks. Joseph Rochefort was an unheralded hero.

(12-09-2014 11:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 08:02 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  A very sad day in US history. If not for bad weather, and several key mistakes by the Japanese, we would have lost to a superior naval force. The fact that they decided not to bomb the fuel supply dump at Pearl proved to be huge.

Also a bit of good luck with the weather breaking, and our bombers finding the Japanese carriers with the bulk of their planes on deck being rearmed. At that time the bulk of their Zero fighters flying at low altitude defending against the US torpedo planes leaving the incoming US bomb attack pretty much without any resistance. It sent the Japan fleet retreating.

But maybe the efforts by our guys breaking the Japanese message codes was the real back breaker.

I think you're confusing Midway with Pearl Harbor, but yes, the codebreakers were amazing folks. Joseph Rochefort was an unheralded hero.

No not confused. Just touching on some of the more critical events and efforts that led to defeating the Japanese navy in the Pacific even though they were 6 months apart.

But code breaking on the eastern front was probably even more amazing. In Great Brittan, Alan Turing designing the Bombe to help decode Germany's Enigma coding is another amazing story of WWII.

(12-10-2014 02:15 AM)SayWhat? Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 11:37 PM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 08:02 PM)SayWhat? Wrote:  A very sad day in US history. If not for bad weather, and several key mistakes by the Japanese, we would have lost to a superior naval force. The fact that they decided not to bomb the fuel supply dump at Pearl proved to be huge.

Also a bit of good luck with the weather breaking, and our bombers finding the Japanese carriers with the bulk of their planes on deck being rearmed. At that time the bulk of their Zero fighters flying at low altitude defending against the US torpedo planes leaving the incoming US bomb attack pretty much without any resistance. It sent the Japan fleet retreating.

But maybe the efforts by our guys breaking the Japanese message codes was the real back breaker.

I think you're confusing Midway with Pearl Harbor, but yes, the codebreakers were amazing folks. Joseph Rochefort was an unheralded hero.

No not confused. Just touching on some of the more critical events and efforts that led to defeating the Japanese navy in the Pacific even though they were 6 months apart.

But code breaking on the eastern front was probably even more amazing. In Great Brittan, Alan Turing designing the Bombe to help decode Germany's Enigma coding is another amazing story of WWII.

Okay.