(01-05-2015 02:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:53 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:22 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:12 PM)ken d Wrote:  1. It did not change, marketing campaign or not.
2. Whatever the committee was using, it wasn't common sense.
3. Ranking Baylor ahead of TCU did not exclude TCU from the playoffs. Ranking Ohio State #4 did.

I heard what the chairperson said..... The committe expected one B12 champ and not co-champs. Why do you think TCU was dropped behind Baylor? Common sense.... Furthermore, Ohio St was ahead of Baylor. Thus, it was the head-to-head loss to Baylor that dropped TCU out of the playoffs—along with the persuasion of ESPN (I admit that).

I heard the things the chairman said, too. They changed on a weekly basis. I also don't believe that the things the chairman said were necessarily the truth. That doesn't mean I think he was lying. It might just mean he was stupid. If, by "expected one B12 champ" he meant he expected either TCU or Baylor to lose their final game, then he was neither stupid nor lying. Just wrong. It happens. If instead he meant that he expected the Big 12 to name one of those teams as sole champion, then I'm betting on stupid.

The biggest problem the committee had was that it couldn't keep its mouth shut.

Why shouldn't the committee expect one B12 Champ when the conference promoted this for the entire season? Moreover, the committee was provided with “One True Champ” by each power conference—except the one that stated nationally it would provide one. I admit that the ESPN had a lot of influence on the committee. Nevertheless, it doesn’t excuse the playoff ca$h crashing move the B12 ill-fatedly attempted to do by ignoring its “One True Champ” campaign and presenting the committee with co-champs. The committee and ESPN understood what the B12 attempted to do and rightfully (in my opinion) dropped TCU below Baylor and indirectly indicated to the nation that Baylor is the B12’s champ.

Hogwash. The committee had to pick four teams, and that's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less. Any attempt to read anything more into it is just self serving nonsense.

The chairperson said TCU was dropped because of the head-to-head loss to Baylor. However, you have yet to explain why TCU was dropped from your perspective. Believe whatever you want but the NFL Countdown show was interrupted on selection Sunday to discuss the B12 trying to cra$h the playoff party with two teams instead of crowing “One True Champ.” I admit that the ESPN's mouthpieces also explained why Ohio St (the bigger brand) should be included in the playoff over TCU and Baylor. I also heard a bumbling and lying B12 commissioner trying to justify what he did once it was nationally exposed by ESPN and others. Furthermore, your trivialization of the committee’s responsibilities is “just self serving nonsense” because you can’t adequately refute what I've posted. Just so you know, the committee didn't just “pick four teams” as you have posted, it also ranked the other 21 teams and selected the G5 school to play in the access bowl….

(01-05-2015 02:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:53 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:22 PM)Underdog Wrote:  I heard what the chairperson said..... The committe expected one B12 champ and not co-champs. Why do you think TCU was dropped behind Baylor? Common sense.... Furthermore, Ohio St was ahead of Baylor. Thus, it was the head-to-head loss to Baylor that dropped TCU out of the playoffs—along with the persuasion of ESPN (I admit that).

I heard the things the chairman said, too. They changed on a weekly basis. I also don't believe that the things the chairman said were necessarily the truth. That doesn't mean I think he was lying. It might just mean he was stupid. If, by "expected one B12 champ" he meant he expected either TCU or Baylor to lose their final game, then he was neither stupid nor lying. Just wrong. It happens. If instead he meant that he expected the Big 12 to name one of those teams as sole champion, then I'm betting on stupid.

The biggest problem the committee had was that it couldn't keep its mouth shut.

Why shouldn't the committee expect one B12 Champ when the conference promoted this for the entire season? Moreover, the committee was provided with “One True Champ” by each power conference—except the one that stated nationally it would provide one. I admit that the ESPN had a lot of influence on the committee. Nevertheless, it doesn’t excuse the playoff ca$h crashing move the B12 ill-fatedly attempted to do by ignoring its “One True Champ” campaign and presenting the committee with co-champs. The committee and ESPN understood what the B12 attempted to do and rightfully (in my opinion) dropped TCU below Baylor and indirectly indicated to the nation that Baylor is the B12’s champ.

Hogwash. The committee had to pick four teams, and that's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less. Any attempt to read anything more into it is just self serving nonsense.

The chairperson said TCU was dropped because of the head-to-head loss to Baylor. However, you have yet to explain why TCU was dropped from your perspective. Believe whatever you want but the NFL Countdown show was interrupted on selection Sunday to discuss the B12 trying to cra$h the playoff party with two teams instead of crowing “One True Champ.” I admit that the ESPN's mouthpieces also explained why Ohio St (the much bigger brand) should be included in the playoff over TCU and Baylor. I also heard a bumbling and lying B12 commissioner trying to justify what he did once it was nationally exposed by ESPN and others. Furthermore, your trivialization of the committee’s responsibilities is “just self serving nonsense” because you can’t adequately refute what I've posted. Just so you know, the committee didn't just “pick four teams” as you have posted, it also ranked the other 21 teams and selected the G5 school to play in the access bowl….

I don't have to refute anything you've posted. It is your opinion. That can't be refuted. Just as my opinion can't be refuted. Unlike you, however, I don't have hostility toward any conference affecting my perception of the process. This was the first stab at a new system, and everyone pretty much bumbled their way through it. They weren't helped by having more deserving teams than there were seats at the table. Next year, maybe it will be easier.

(01-05-2015 02:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:53 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  I heard the things the chairman said, too. They changed on a weekly basis. I also don't believe that the things the chairman said were necessarily the truth. That doesn't mean I think he was lying. It might just mean he was stupid. If, by "expected one B12 champ" he meant he expected either TCU or Baylor to lose their final game, then he was neither stupid nor lying. Just wrong. It happens. If instead he meant that he expected the Big 12 to name one of those teams as sole champion, then I'm betting on stupid.

The biggest problem the committee had was that it couldn't keep its mouth shut.

Why shouldn't the committee expect one B12 Champ when the conference promoted this for the entire season? Moreover, the committee was provided with “One True Champ” by each power conference—except the one that stated nationally it would provide one. I admit that the ESPN had a lot of influence on the committee. Nevertheless, it doesn’t excuse the playoff ca$h crashing move the B12 ill-fatedly attempted to do by ignoring its “One True Champ” campaign and presenting the committee with co-champs. The committee and ESPN understood what the B12 attempted to do and rightfully (in my opinion) dropped TCU below Baylor and indirectly indicated to the nation that Baylor is the B12’s champ.

Hogwash. The committee had to pick four teams, and that's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less. Any attempt to read anything more into it is just self serving nonsense.

The chairperson said TCU was dropped because of the head-to-head loss to Baylor. However, you have yet to explain why TCU was dropped from your perspective. Believe whatever you want but the NFL Countdown show was interrupted on selection Sunday to discuss the B12 trying to cra$h the playoff party with two teams instead of crowing “One True Champ.” I admit that the ESPN's mouthpieces also explained why Ohio St (the much bigger brand) should be included in the playoff over TCU and Baylor. I also heard a bumbling and lying B12 commissioner trying to justify what he did once it was nationally exposed by ESPN and others. Furthermore, your trivialization of the committee’s responsibilities is “just self serving nonsense” because you can’t adequately refute what I've posted. Just so you know, the committee didn't just “pick four teams” as you have posted, it also ranked the other 21 teams and selected the G5 school to play in the access bowl….

I don't have to refute anything you've posted. It is your opinion. That can't be refuted. Just as my opinion can't be refuted. Unlike you, however, I don't have hostility toward any conference affecting my perception of the process. This was the first stab at a new system, and everyone pretty much bumbled their way through it. They weren't helped by having more deserving teams than there were seats at the table. Next year, maybe it will be easier.

Most of what I posted came from either the chairperson or ESPN's mouthpieces—which is not just my opinion. To further explain this point to you, an ESPN analyst exposed how the B12 commissioner lied about not knowing that not having a CCG could hurt the conference. After the B12 commisoner was mocked on the show, the analyst pointed out that he had personally brought the lack of a CCG concern to his attention before the season started. Subsequently, the "One True Champ" SCAM-paign emerged nationally….

(01-05-2015 02:49 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 01:53 PM)Underdog Wrote:  Why shouldn't the committee expect one B12 Champ when the conference promoted this for the entire season? Moreover, the committee was provided with “One True Champ” by each power conference—except the one that stated nationally it would provide one. I admit that the ESPN had a lot of influence on the committee. Nevertheless, it doesn’t excuse the playoff ca$h crashing move the B12 ill-fatedly attempted to do by ignoring its “One True Champ” campaign and presenting the committee with co-champs. The committee and ESPN understood what the B12 attempted to do and rightfully (in my opinion) dropped TCU below Baylor and indirectly indicated to the nation that Baylor is the B12’s champ.

Hogwash. The committee had to pick four teams, and that's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less. Any attempt to read anything more into it is just self serving nonsense.

The chairperson said TCU was dropped because of the head-to-head loss to Baylor. However, you have yet to explain why TCU was dropped from your perspective. Believe whatever you want but the NFL Countdown show was interrupted on selection Sunday to discuss the B12 trying to cra$h the playoff party with two teams instead of crowing “One True Champ.” I admit that the ESPN's mouthpieces also explained why Ohio St (the much bigger brand) should be included in the playoff over TCU and Baylor. I also heard a bumbling and lying B12 commissioner trying to justify what he did once it was nationally exposed by ESPN and others. Furthermore, your trivialization of the committee’s responsibilities is “just self serving nonsense” because you can’t adequately refute what I've posted. Just so you know, the committee didn't just “pick four teams” as you have posted, it also ranked the other 21 teams and selected the G5 school to play in the access bowl….

I don't have to refute anything you've posted. It is your opinion. That can't be refuted. Just as my opinion can't be refuted. Unlike you, however, I don't have hostility toward any conference affecting my perception of the process. This was the first stab at a new system, and everyone pretty much bumbled their way through it. They weren't helped by having more deserving teams than there were seats at the table. Next year, maybe it will be easier.

Most of what I posted came from the mouth of either the chairperson or ESPN's mouthpieces—which is not just my opinion. To further explain this point to you, an ESPN analyst exposed how the B12 commissioner lied about not knowing that not having a CCG could hurt the conference. After the B12 commisoner was mocked on the show, the analyst pointed out that he had personally brought the lack of a CCG concern to his attention before the season started. Subsequently, the "One True Champ" SCAM-paign emerged nationally….

The One True Champion campaign highlighted the fact that everybody in the Big XII plays every other team in the conference. No other conference plays a round robin schedule, only the Big XII. That's all it signifies. The attempts to read something else into it by the playoff committee members, or anyone else, is reaching.

As for words from the playoff committee members, they are simply putting forth a politically expedient explanation, hoping to minimize the fallout from their decision. But politically expedient explanations are put forth all the time and almost nobody believes them, since they say almost nothing worth acknowledging.

The Big XII probably would have been better off wording it differently. But all the slogan means is that Big XII members avoid nobody in the conference play, unlike every other conference out there. There are no unequal schedules in the Big XII.

(01-05-2015 03:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:49 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:05 PM)ken d Wrote:  Hogwash. The committee had to pick four teams, and that's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less. Any attempt to read anything more into it is just self serving nonsense.

The chairperson said TCU was dropped because of the head-to-head loss to Baylor. However, you have yet to explain why TCU was dropped from your perspective. Believe whatever you want but the NFL Countdown show was interrupted on selection Sunday to discuss the B12 trying to cra$h the playoff party with two teams instead of crowing “One True Champ.” I admit that the ESPN's mouthpieces also explained why Ohio St (the much bigger brand) should be included in the playoff over TCU and Baylor. I also heard a bumbling and lying B12 commissioner trying to justify what he did once it was nationally exposed by ESPN and others. Furthermore, your trivialization of the committee’s responsibilities is “just self serving nonsense” because you can’t adequately refute what I've posted. Just so you know, the committee didn't just “pick four teams” as you have posted, it also ranked the other 21 teams and selected the G5 school to play in the access bowl….

I don't have to refute anything you've posted. It is your opinion. That can't be refuted. Just as my opinion can't be refuted. Unlike you, however, I don't have hostility toward any conference affecting my perception of the process. This was the first stab at a new system, and everyone pretty much bumbled their way through it. They weren't helped by having more deserving teams than there were seats at the table. Next year, maybe it will be easier.

Most of what I posted came from the mouth of either the chairperson or ESPN's mouthpieces—which is not just my opinion. To further explain this point to you, an ESPN analyst exposed how the B12 commissioner lied about not knowing that not having a CCG could hurt the conference. After the B12 commisoner was mocked on the show, the analyst pointed out that he had personally brought the lack of a CCG concern to his attention before the season started. Subsequently, the "One True Champ" SCAM-paign emerged nationally….

The One True Champion campaign highlighted the fact that everybody in the Big XII plays every other team in the conference. No other conference plays a round robin schedule, only the Big XII. That's all it signifies. The attempts to read something else into it by the playoff committee members, or anyone else, is reaching.

As for words from the playoff committee members, they are simply putting forth a politically expedient explanation, hoping to minimize the fallout from their decision. But politically expedient explanations are put forth all the time and almost nobody believes them, since they say almost nothing worth acknowledging.

The Big XII probably would have been better off wording it differently. But all the slogan means is that Big XII members avoid nobody in the conference play, unlike every other conference out there. There are no unequal schedules in the Big XII.

Bit... You even acknowledged in another thread that Baylor is the B12’s champ in your opinion based on the head–to-head victory over TCU….

(01-05-2015 03:21 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 03:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:49 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  The chairperson said TCU was dropped because of the head-to-head loss to Baylor. However, you have yet to explain why TCU was dropped from your perspective. Believe whatever you want but the NFL Countdown show was interrupted on selection Sunday to discuss the B12 trying to cra$h the playoff party with two teams instead of crowing “One True Champ.” I admit that the ESPN's mouthpieces also explained why Ohio St (the much bigger brand) should be included in the playoff over TCU and Baylor. I also heard a bumbling and lying B12 commissioner trying to justify what he did once it was nationally exposed by ESPN and others. Furthermore, your trivialization of the committee’s responsibilities is “just self serving nonsense” because you can’t adequately refute what I've posted. Just so you know, the committee didn't just “pick four teams” as you have posted, it also ranked the other 21 teams and selected the G5 school to play in the access bowl….

I don't have to refute anything you've posted. It is your opinion. That can't be refuted. Just as my opinion can't be refuted. Unlike you, however, I don't have hostility toward any conference affecting my perception of the process. This was the first stab at a new system, and everyone pretty much bumbled their way through it. They weren't helped by having more deserving teams than there were seats at the table. Next year, maybe it will be easier.

Most of what I posted came from the mouth of either the chairperson or ESPN's mouthpieces—which is not just my opinion. To further explain this point to you, an ESPN analyst exposed how the B12 commissioner lied about not knowing that not having a CCG could hurt the conference. After the B12 commisoner was mocked on the show, the analyst pointed out that he had personally brought the lack of a CCG concern to his attention before the season started. Subsequently, the "One True Champ" SCAM-paign emerged nationally….

The One True Champion campaign highlighted the fact that everybody in the Big XII plays every other team in the conference. No other conference plays a round robin schedule, only the Big XII. That's all it signifies. The attempts to read something else into it by the playoff committee members, or anyone else, is reaching.

As for words from the playoff committee members, they are simply putting forth a politically expedient explanation, hoping to minimize the fallout from their decision. But politically expedient explanations are put forth all the time and almost nobody believes them, since they say almost nothing worth acknowledging.

The Big XII probably would have been better off wording it differently. But all the slogan means is that Big XII members avoid nobody in the conference play, unlike every other conference out there. There are no unequal schedules in the Big XII.

Bit... You even acknowledged in another thread that Baylor is the B12’s champ in your opinion based on the head–to-head victory over TCU….

I still feel that way, since it's always been the first tie breaker. But if you look back at all the Big XII commercials advertising the One True Champion campaign, all that is said is that we play everybody. It says nothing else about anything. Just that the Big XII plays everyone in the conference.

So trying to read my sentiment about who won the conference into the One True Champion campaign doesn't work. It's simply how I felt about this season. It has nothing to do with the Big XII's advertising campaign, which is something else altogether.

(01-05-2015 03:28 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 03:21 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 03:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:49 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  I don't have to refute anything you've posted. It is your opinion. That can't be refuted. Just as my opinion can't be refuted. Unlike you, however, I don't have hostility toward any conference affecting my perception of the process. This was the first stab at a new system, and everyone pretty much bumbled their way through it. They weren't helped by having more deserving teams than there were seats at the table. Next year, maybe it will be easier.

Most of what I posted came from the mouth of either the chairperson or ESPN's mouthpieces—which is not just my opinion. To further explain this point to you, an ESPN analyst exposed how the B12 commissioner lied about not knowing that not having a CCG could hurt the conference. After the B12 commisoner was mocked on the show, the analyst pointed out that he had personally brought the lack of a CCG concern to his attention before the season started. Subsequently, the "One True Champ" SCAM-paign emerged nationally….

The One True Champion campaign highlighted the fact that everybody in the Big XII plays every other team in the conference. No other conference plays a round robin schedule, only the Big XII. That's all it signifies. The attempts to read something else into it by the playoff committee members, or anyone else, is reaching.

As for words from the playoff committee members, they are simply putting forth a politically expedient explanation, hoping to minimize the fallout from their decision. But politically expedient explanations are put forth all the time and almost nobody believes them, since they say almost nothing worth acknowledging.

The Big XII probably would have been better off wording it differently. But all the slogan means is that Big XII members avoid nobody in the conference play, unlike every other conference out there. There are no unequal schedules in the Big XII.

Bit... You even acknowledged in another thread that Baylor is the B12’s champ in your opinion based on the head–to-head victory over TCU….

I still feel that way, since it's always been the first tie breaker. But if you look back at all the Big XII commercials advertising the One True Champion campaign, all that is said is that we play everybody. It says nothing else about anything. Just that the Big XII plays everyone in the conference.

So trying to read my sentiment about who won the conference into the One True Champion campaign doesn't work. It's simply how I felt about this season. It has nothing to do with the Big XII's advertising campaign, which is something else altogether.

Look Bit.... You are one of the most down to earth persons on the board. Don’t you think the “One True Champ” campaign is very misleading if conveying the conference format is what "supposedly" being emphasized? Many disagree with this perspective, which why the backlash of proclaiming co-champs was so great in the media—especially ESPN which belittled the B12 for this….

(01-05-2015 03:28 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  But if you look back at all the Big XII commercials advertising the One True Champion campaign, all that is said is that we play everybody. It says nothing else about anything. Just that the Big XII plays everyone in the conference.

So trying to read my sentiment about who won the conference into the One True Champion campaign doesn't work. It's simply how I felt about this season. It has nothing to do with the Big XII's advertising campaign, which is something else altogether.

Bit, I realize this is more "your" interpretation, but didn't the commissioner have to backtrack and state he was mistaken about the one true champion thing? Why would he need to do so if it was just about the round robin?

(01-05-2015 03:39 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 03:28 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 03:21 PM)Underdog Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 03:11 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(01-05-2015 02:49 PM)Underdog Wrote:  Most of what I posted came from the mouth of either the chairperson or ESPN's mouthpieces—which is not just my opinion. To further explain this point to you, an ESPN analyst exposed how the B12 commissioner lied about not knowing that not having a CCG could hurt the conference. After the B12 commisoner was mocked on the show, the analyst pointed out that he had personally brought the lack of a CCG concern to his attention before the season started. Subsequently, the "One True Champ" SCAM-paign emerged nationally….

The One True Champion campaign highlighted the fact that everybody in the Big XII plays every other team in the conference. No other conference plays a round robin schedule, only the Big XII. That's all it signifies. The attempts to read something else into it by the playoff committee members, or anyone else, is reaching.

As for words from the playoff committee members, they are simply putting forth a politically expedient explanation, hoping to minimize the fallout from their decision. But politically expedient explanations are put forth all the time and almost nobody believes them, since they say almost nothing worth acknowledging.

The Big XII probably would have been better off wording it differently. But all the slogan means is that Big XII members avoid nobody in the conference play, unlike every other conference out there. There are no unequal schedules in the Big XII.

Bit... You even acknowledged in another thread that Baylor is the B12’s champ in your opinion based on the head–to-head victory over TCU….

I still feel that way, since it's always been the first tie breaker. But if you look back at all the Big XII commercials advertising the One True Champion campaign, all that is said is that we play everybody. It says nothing else about anything. Just that the Big XII plays everyone in the conference.

So trying to read my sentiment about who won the conference into the One True Champion campaign doesn't work. It's simply how I felt about this season. It has nothing to do with the Big XII's advertising campaign, which is something else altogether.

Look Bit.... You are one of the most down to earth persons on the board. Don’t you think the “One True Champ” campaign is very misleading if conveying the conference format is what "supposedly" is being emphasized? Many disagree with this perspective, which why the backlash of proclaiming co-champs was so great in the media—especially ESPN which belittled the B12 for this….

I take it you missed the part I just highlighted and colored.

As for ESPiN, they build up or belittle everything at one time or another. It's called playing to the audience. No matter whether it upsets people or makes them happy, it generates an audience and ratings, which is their sole purpose in life.

Give Texas TCU's record this year and they are in. Why, because they are a national brand. It's the way of the world unfortunately.

(01-05-2015 04:04 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Give Texas TCU's record this year and they are in. Why, because they are a national brand. It's the way of the world unfortunately.

I disagree with this. TCU being left out had nothing to do with brand, and had everything to do with the fact that the CCG went chalk and someone had to be left out. The Big 12 was cross-cut with its best team losing to the team with the best argument for being a "champ" and got left out. Give UT a loss to Baylor and an 11-1 record and it is behind OSU, too, especially with the way that OSU won the Big 10 champ game.

I'd like to agree with you, but I can't see Texas dropping from 3 to 6 like that. I will give them the benefit of the doubt (unearned) that they did not move OSU up due to brand: but I just can't see Texas dropping to six from three in the same scenario.

(01-04-2015 06:35 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Look, the math is simple. Let me break it down for you.

After week 15, FSU's SoS ranking was 43rd.
Baylor's was 64th
TCU's was 45th
Ohio State was 54th

After week 16, which for most of us is championship week, FSU's SoS ranking was 26th
Baylor's was 55th
TCU's was 49th.
Ohio State was 41st

The math is simple. FSU had a better resume after their championship game against GT and they had the undefeated season. Ohio State also had a better resume as per the math AND they had the most impressive win in that last week. They did it with their third string quarterback which just goes to show how it wasn't just a quarterback thing there, it was an entire team thing. That is what the committee should be looking for.

Had the Big 12 given those teams one more game to positively affect their SoS rankings, it very well could have been the difference.

One minor interesting fact is that TCU's ranking went down despite the impressive win due to Baylor weakening the Kansas State rating which then weakened TCU's rating. Gotta love that round robin!!

It also didn't help TCU or Baylor that OU lost that weekend to Ok St. as well.