(12-06-2014 12:47 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 10:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I didn't watch the game. From the photos I saw, neither did many at the game itself other than empty seats.

I don't follow conference races, so I had no reason to tune in to a conference championship game.

I think that the playoffs will increase to eight teams, but it might take until the initial playoff contract runs out.

The game was at six locally. The game was located down in Santa Clara, think San Jose. It isn't exactly a short drive from San Fran/Oakland. Those fans may grudgingly make that drive for the 49ers but that is on Sunday. This was Friday night. Those folks would have already fought rush hour traffic to get home, then they would have had to do whatever they do when they get home, THEN they would have had to drive down to Santa Clara through more rush hour traffic in order to go to a PAC Championship game that didn't have a local team in it.

The weather was pretty damn ugly too. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the turnout was low. It was a terrible choice of venue and it was an absolutely terrible kick off time. FOX and the PAC really screwed up with that one.

I was aware of all of that before I posted.

How delightfully misleading. Go ahead and TRY to convince the ignorant this is true, when you and I know its not.

What misleading? That I didn't know the game was on a Friday?

That I have never been to San Francisco?

That I don't know about Bay Area traffic?

That I don't know where Santa Clara is?

Ok.......

Where were all the Arizona and Oregon fans? That is my point.

The game apparently wasn't important enough to enough of them to make the trek.

To me the lower attendance numbers we are seeing for CCG seems to show there is a limited appetite for fans to travel to up to three games, much less four (CCG, three rounds of playoffs). That will kill any playoff expansion. And home game playoffs won't happen.

Correct, AD.

(12-06-2014 12:50 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 01:52 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Even after the Oregon trouncing last night, the discussion among announcers? "Did Oregon just guarantee a spot in the CFP?" That kind of speculation and uncertainty and drama is what DRIVES TV ratings.

C'mon. If the TV guys said that after that game, that's just moronic, though that would be par for the course for pretty much every announcer that Fox uses on CFB (except for Gus Johnson, who is very good).

You are firing on all cylinders today Wedge. I have been completely confused by Fox's inability to get guys that seem comparable to ESPN's guys in terms of perceived intelligence and communication skills. I gave them a pass in their first year of trying to compete on even terms with ESPN but they aren't getting better.

(12-06-2014 01:17 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  To me the lower attendance numbers we are seeing for CCG seems o show there is a limited appetite for fans to travel to up to three games, much less four (CCG, three rounds of playoffs). That will kill any playoff expansion. home game playoffs won't happen

We have only seen one CCG this year.

Reports of ticket sales.... Plus the big ten CCG has been poorly attended as well. He ACC one has been hit and miss. The sec is always solid. The big Xii, when they had one, was also hit and miss.


Now what we never know is how well they sell the corporate suites, because as I said on the othe thread, sell those out every year and you can have no one in the lower bowl and still clean up.

(12-06-2014 01:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 12:47 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 10:00 AM)TerryD Wrote:  I didn't watch the game. From the photos I saw, neither did many at the game itself other than empty seats.

I don't follow conference races, so I had no reason to tune in to a conference championship game.

I think that the playoffs will increase to eight teams, but it might take until the initial playoff contract runs out.

The game was at six locally. The game was located down in Santa Clara, think San Jose. It isn't exactly a short drive from San Fran/Oakland. Those fans may grudgingly make that drive for the 49ers but that is on Sunday. This was Friday night. Those folks would have already fought rush hour traffic to get home, then they would have had to do whatever they do when they get home, THEN they would have had to drive down to Santa Clara through more rush hour traffic in order to go to a PAC Championship game that didn't have a local team in it.

The weather was pretty damn ugly too. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the turnout was low. It was a terrible choice of venue and it was an absolutely terrible kick off time. FOX and the PAC really screwed up with that one.

I was aware of all of that before I posted.

How delightfully misleading. Go ahead and TRY to convince the ignorant this is true, when you and I know its not.

What misleading? That I didn't know the game was on a Friday?

That I have never been to San Francisco?

That I don't know about Bay Area traffic?

That I don't know where Santa Clara is?

Ok.......

Where were all the Arizona and Oregon fans? That is my point.

The game apparently wasn't important enough to enough of them to make the trek.

It's the holiday season man. People already have all their vacation time tied up. The choice to have it on a Friday night was terrible in so many ways. If it was on Saturday then those fans might have bothered to make the trip.

Your last statement is an unfair one. You don't have to make it simply because someone called out your response to me. I didn't quite believe you either but I gave you the benefit of the doubt to not respond because I respect you but...you are going too far with this response to DefCONN.

I live here in The Valley and there are a lot of Arizona fans up here. There is a lot of excitement with the Arizona faithful because Arizona State was there last year and Arizona beat Arizona State this year in order to get to that game. They were excited because they beat Oregon the last two times they have played.

If that game wasn't on Friday night, Arizona fans would have flocked to it. Oregon has a lot of fans in Northern California but they live there, they are hindered by the logistics of the Bay Area.

At that time of day it is about a 2 hour drive from San Fran/Oakland down to Santa Clara due to rush hour. Even taking the train takes about 45 minutes. That is just too much to do that soon after work on a Friday.

(12-06-2014 01:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 01:16 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 12:47 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 12:18 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 11:57 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The game was at six locally. The game was located down in Santa Clara, think San Jose. It isn't exactly a short drive from San Fran/Oakland. Those fans may grudgingly make that drive for the 49ers but that is on Sunday. This was Friday night. Those folks would have already fought rush hour traffic to get home, then they would have had to do whatever they do when they get home, THEN they would have had to drive down to Santa Clara through more rush hour traffic in order to go to a PAC Championship game that didn't have a local team in it.

The weather was pretty damn ugly too. It shouldn't surprise anyone that the turnout was low. It was a terrible choice of venue and it was an absolutely terrible kick off time. FOX and the PAC really screwed up with that one.

I was aware of all of that before I posted.

How delightfully misleading. Go ahead and TRY to convince the ignorant this is true, when you and I know its not.

What misleading? That I didn't know the game was on a Friday?

That I have never been to San Francisco?

That I don't know about Bay Area traffic?

That I don't know where Santa Clara is?

Ok.......

Where were all the Arizona and Oregon fans? That is my point.

The game apparently wasn't important enough to enough of them to make the trek.

It's the holiday season man. People already have all their vacation time tied up. The choice to have it on a Friday night was terrible in so many ways. If it was on Saturday then those fans might have bothered to make the trip.

Your last statement is an unfair one. You don't have to make it simply because someone called out your response to me. I didn't quite believe you either but I gave you the benefit of the doubt to not respond because I respect you but...you are going too far with this response to DefCONN.

I live here in The Valley and there are a lot of Arizona fans up here. There is a lot of excitement with the Arizona faithful because Arizona State was there last year and Arizona beat Arizona State this year in order to get to that game. They were excited because they beat Oregon the last two times they have played.

If that game wasn't on Friday night, Arizona fans would have flocked to it. Oregon has a lot of fans in Northern California but they live there, they are hindered by the logistics of the Bay Area.

At that time of day it is about a 2 hour drive from San Fran/Oakland down to Santa Clara due to rush hour. Even taking the train takes about 45 minutes. That is just too much to do that soon after work on a Friday.

Don't sweat it, man. I only read the last 2 lines of his response to me. So, if there were any insults directed to me, I didn't see it.

I didn't direct any insults to anyone.

What was there to "give me the benefit of the doubt" over?

Are you going to say that I didn't know it was the "holiday season" either?

I have been to San Francisco, I have driven in Bay Area traffic. I know where Santa Clara is.

(Aren't all postseason games every year played during the holidays?)

I never considered local fans an issue.

Why would the locals care about a game between Arizona and Oregon?

I am not dissing on Arizona fans either.

My wife is from Tucson and still has family there. We visit Arizona often.

If ND had been in that game, I wouldn't have flown there to attend the game, either. I would have watched it on TV.

I agree with you about a Friday game, but I thought conference commissioners and TV execs were smart guys?

My point is that these neutral site conference championship games are made for TV events and the more layers of neutral site playoff games you add, the more attendance issues you will see.

(12-06-2014 01:52 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  Many of us CFB junkies have speculated that the CFP is going to quickly push to 6 or 8 teams...that the awkward system of 5 major conferences and only 4 auto bids is going to be too controversial for the P5 league schools to handle...but watching Oregon/Arizona tonight changed my mind.

Why did I watch? I watched not just because these are two of the top college teams in the country. I watched largely because I wanted to see IF Oregon would make it into the CFP. And I also watched because I knew that an Arizona win would cause chaos in the new CFP.

You can decry the wonky system and point to other sports where there are clear playoffs/12 or 16 teams get in/blah blah blah and say "THOSE are the sports that have it right." But let's look at last night's game in light of a "normal" playoff system.

If the winner of Arizona/Oregon gets an automatic bid into the CFP (whether it be 4 or 6 or 8 teams), I would probably NOT have watched that game. There is actually very little drama at all. I'm not a Pac-12 fan. Arizona is DEFINITELY not a football blue blood...and Oregon's video game style doesn't disgust me but I don't find it majorly appealing. I wouldn't even watch the Pac-12 title game.

What interests me is when Oregon plays someone from another conference, which doesn't happen until the CFP (again, even if it were 4 or 6 or 9 teams).

Even after the Oregon trouncing last night, the discussion among announcers? "Did Oregon just guarantee a spot in the CFP?" That kind of speculation and uncertainty and drama is what DRIVES TV ratings.

I'm not saying this system is the best. I'm just saying it's going to be around for a long, long time. As long as we don't have 3 or 4 years like 2008 (very unlikely anyway) where numerous very, very worthy teams are excluded, the opposition will be minimum.

i have to admit, you lost me there. You watched because if Oregon wins, they would make the final 4 playoff, but if the winner got an automatic spot, or if they went to 8 team playoff, you would not watch. I always assumed if they expanded to 8 or 16, they would get rid of CCG, at least for P5 leagues.