People tend to forget conference membership extends way beyond football or athletics. Memphis isn't a good academic fit for the Big XII. Every school in the Big XII is ranked (according to US News) within the top 168 (West Virginia) national universities in the country. Tulane comes in at 54, BYU 62, Colorado State 121 and Cincinnati is 129. Memphis is not ranked.

Texas - 53
Baylor - 71
TCU - 76
Kansas, Iowa St & Oklahoma - 106
Kansas St - 142
Oklahoma St - 145
Texas Tech - 156
W Va - 168

(12-11-2014 09:10 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 09:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:00 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 06:09 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 08:13 AM)runamuck Wrote:  exactly. common sense prevails.

plus there have been many calls for an expanded playoff so why be too hasty.

Don't know why that would matter. If not having a CCG hurts you, its hurts you. Same thing that kept you out of top 4 could keep you out of top 8.

No, if it's 8 teams, every P5 champ is getting in unless you have 3+ losses.

With eight, it's not a question of getting one in, it's a question of who gets two in. A close CCG game be the difference in your #2 getting in and someone else's #2 getting in.

Conversely, had there been an 8 team playoff this year both TCU and Baylor get in,had they played in a CCG this year, it's possible the loser falls to 9.

(12-11-2014 12:02 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  People tend to forget conference membership extends way beyond football or athletics. Memphis isn't a good academic fit for the Big XII. Every school in the Big XII is ranked (according to US News) within the top 168 (West Virginia) national universities in the country. Tulane comes in at 54, BYU 62, Colorado State 121 and Cincinnati is 129. Memphis is not ranked.

Texas - 53
Baylor - 71
TCU - 76
Kansas, Iowa St & Oklahoma - 106
Kansas St - 142
Oklahoma St - 145
Texas Tech - 156
W Va - 168

I don't think the Big XII puts nearly the academic emphasis on membership as the ACC, B1G or Pac 12.

(12-11-2014 12:02 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  People tend to forget conference membership extends way beyond football or athletics. Memphis isn't a good academic fit for the Big XII. Every school in the Big XII is ranked (according to US News) within the top 168 (West Virginia) national universities in the country. Tulane comes in at 54, BYU 62, Colorado State 121 and Cincinnati is 129. Memphis is not ranked.

Texas - 53
Baylor - 71
TCU - 76
Kansas, Iowa St & Oklahoma - 106
Kansas St - 142
Oklahoma St - 145
Texas Tech - 156
W Va - 168

Good point.

Just a clarification. Memphis is listed as RNP (Ranked Not Published) National. There are a lot of universities including current and past Sun Belt members with the same ranking (RNP-National).

"Not Ranked" or "Unranked" is a different class. Here's USNWR's explanation of who falls in the "unranked" category.

Quote:Unranked Schools

Schools are Unranked and listed separately by category if they have indicated that they don't use SAT or ACT test scores in admissions decisions for first-time, first-year, degree-seeking applicants. And, in a few cases, schools are Unranked if too few respondents to the spring and summer 2014 peer assessment survey gave them a rating.

Other reasons institutions are not ranked include: a total enrollment of fewer than 200 students, a large proportion of nontraditional students and no first-year students – as is the situation at so-called upper-division schools.

As a result of these eligibility standards, many of the for-profit institutions have been grouped with the Unranked schools; their bachelor's degree candidates are largely nontraditional students in degree completion programs, for example, or they don't use SAT or ACT test scores in admissions decisions.

In total, 148 colleges in the National Universities, National Liberal Arts Colleges, Regional Universities and Regional Colleges categories are listed as Unranked.

We also did not rank 83 highly specialized schools in arts, business and engineering.

Here's more info: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-col...s-rankings

(12-11-2014 12:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:02 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  People tend to forget conference membership extends way beyond football or athletics. Memphis isn't a good academic fit for the Big XII. Every school in the Big XII is ranked (according to US News) within the top 168 (West Virginia) national universities in the country. Tulane comes in at 54, BYU 62, Colorado State 121 and Cincinnati is 129. Memphis is not ranked.

Texas - 53
Baylor - 71
TCU - 76
Kansas, Iowa St & Oklahoma - 106
Kansas St - 142
Oklahoma St - 145
Texas Tech - 156
W Va - 168

I don't think the Big XII puts nearly the academic emphasis on membership as the ACC, B1G or Pac 12.

No, but they will draw a line somewhere....and Memphis and Boise are on the wrong side of the line. Cincy and Colorado State are on the right side of it.

(12-11-2014 02:25 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:43 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 12:02 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  People tend to forget conference membership extends way beyond football or athletics. Memphis isn't a good academic fit for the Big XII. Every school in the Big XII is ranked (according to US News) within the top 168 (West Virginia) national universities in the country. Tulane comes in at 54, BYU 62, Colorado State 121 and Cincinnati is 129. Memphis is not ranked.

Texas - 53
Baylor - 71
TCU - 76
Kansas, Iowa St & Oklahoma - 106
Kansas St - 142
Oklahoma St - 145
Texas Tech - 156
W Va - 168

I don't think the Big XII puts nearly the academic emphasis on membership as the ACC, B1G or Pac 12.

No, but they will draw a line somewhere....and Memphis and Boise are on the wrong side of the line. Cincy and Colorado State are on the right side of it.

I don't believe Boise has a shot, I'm not sure I'd rule out Memphis entirely.

(12-11-2014 09:56 AM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(12-11-2014 08:34 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 09:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-10-2014 01:00 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(12-09-2014 06:09 PM)runamuck Wrote:  plus there have been many calls for an expanded playoff so why be too hasty.

Don't know why that would matter. If not having a CCG hurts you, its hurts you. Same thing that kept you out of top 4 could keep you out of top 8.

No, if it's 8 teams, every P5 champ is getting in unless you have 3+ losses.

exactly. if it was 8 this year, you might have tcu and baylor in it. bottom line is the b12 just needs to play a better ooc schedule and adjust their rules determining a conference champion. there is a big front page article in the sports section of the dallas morning news today explaining how they dont need to expand.

The Big XII on can only schedule 3 OOC games and Baylor plays the privates of Texas that use to be in the SWC. There is nothing wrong with that, but they need to find a marquee opponent for their other game.

actually baylor played smu..ranked the worst team this year and nwstate and buffalo..probably had some points taken off for that schedule.