(12-05-2014 05:15 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 05:08 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 04:59 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  I'd never noticed this before, but ESPN's roster for all universities has a sort feature on their columns, so this was easy to obtain:

2 Justin Hardy WR 6-1 188 SR Vanceboro, NC
4 Detric Allen DB 6-1 200 SR Norwood, NC
5 Shane Carden QB 6-2 221 SR Houston, TX
7 Lamar Ivey DB 6-1 196 SR Mebane, NC
9 Cam Worthy WR 6-3 220 SR Blair, SC
14 Warren Harvey PK 5-11 225 SR --
23 Desi Brown LB 6-2 220 SR Webster Groves, MO
24 Brandon WilliamsLB 6-1 230 SR Rock Hill, SC
25 Breon Allen RB 5-8 190 SR Daytona Beach, FL
35 Greg Robinson DB 5-11 202 SR Fayetteville, NC
45 Jake Geary LB 6-3 250 SR Hillsborough, NC
48 Maurice Falls LB 6-3 247 SR Belmont, NC
54 Terry Williams NT 6-1 353 SR Loganville, GA
60 Charlie Coggins LS 6-3 200 SR Albemarle, NC
74 Taylor Hudson OL 6-5 285 SR Greenville, SC
93 Chrishon Rose NT 6-4 303 SR Washington, DC
95 Terry Biles DE 6-2 278 SR High Point, NC

Good info. Thanks. How's Memphis looking for senior turnover?

D loses a lot...Ifedi, Jakes, and McCain...Hayes on offense...

21 seniors.

That's right.

Large number of starters on D, like +/-7; but we've played a ton of players at critical times during the year. I'm conservative by nature, but I think the we're better off than "losing +/-7 starters" would normally indicate. However, I think it's safe to estimate that we'll be down a tad on defense.

I think it's 3 starters on offense that we lose with Hayes being to most obvious. I think that losing 3 would be considered normal attrition.

(12-05-2014 06:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  pre recruiting class/coaching carousel stock for teams next year

UConn- Marginally UP
the entire team should be improved year 2 under diaco, but lose their qb and top WR's

UCONN had a QB last year, who knew? :)

(12-05-2014 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  We aren't really losing too much production. 19 is an average year.

QB- who knows
RBs- better
WRs- probably a little worse, but not much
OL- Better

DL- worse
LBs-better or same
DBs- better

Don't know WTF Pesik is talking about

The "TF" pesik is talking about is ECU is built of the pass and their success comes from the passing spread, and the success of your team is built around the offense...

You are losing your QB for a guy with no experience that alone is a bigger hit than anyone in the league, now add the fact you lose every statistically significant WR except 1 (talking stats not how good you think they are).. And to top that off you lose your best running back...

And again ECU is a team built off offense, those are huge losses, your back up might have a stronger arm, but ecu offense isn't all deep balls, it involves a huge portion of picking apart defenses, where experience is key..

and throw on top of that you lose a decent portion of the best players in A very suspect defense to start with...

Ecu loses the most in the league in respect to what they are

(12-05-2014 05:07 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  hopefully Holman progresses like Bortles did during our last Beef O'Brady bowl against Ball St.

While this guy has struggled a little bit in his first season as starter, he did manage to win a few games (like the one last night), and I'm very curious to see how he follows this season up.

He has all the tools. And, if he puts in the work in the off-season, I think he can be a good one.

He certainly throws a beautiful ball (as the ECU fans can attest).

(12-05-2014 07:41 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 06:51 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  We aren't really losing too much production. 19 is an average year.

QB- who knows
RBs- better
WRs- probably a little worse, but not much
OL- Better

DL- worse
LBs-better or same
DBs- better

Don't know WTF Pesik is talking about

The "TF" pesik is talking about is ECU is built of the pass and their success comes from the passing spread, and the success of your team is built around the offense...

You are losing your QB for a guy with no experience that alone is a bigger hit than anyone in the league, now add the fact you lose every statistically significant WR except 1 (talking stats not how good you think they are).. And to top that off you lose your best running back...

And again ECU is a team built off offense, those are huge losses, your back up might have a stronger arm, but ecu offense isn't all deep balls, it involves a huge portion of picking apart defenses, where experience is key..

and throw on top of that you lose a decent portion of the best players in A very suspect defense to start with...

Ecu loses the most in the league in respect to what they are

We throw to a little more than 2 receivers. Trevon brown will be our best receiver next year, he was out for half the season. Jimmy Williams, and Davon Grayson were both injured for the majority of the season. All three of those guys would have 30+ catches if healthy. Our OL will be a lot better. The back up has had 2 years under Carden and Riley, he has experience. Most of our best defensive players come back.


We lose Brandon Williams, Brunson steps in, probably an upgrade (inured for season in USC game)
Maurice Falls, Brown steps in, bit of a downgrade.
Terry Williams, McGill replaces, hard to replace, but McGill is pretty dang good.
Chrishon Rose, K'Hadre Hooker replaces, four star recruit out of high school.
We also get Terrell Stanley back one of our best DL players last year.
DBs will be fine.

We also lost "the most" last year, but we see how that turned out.

ECU loses their best QB in recent memory and the most prolific WR in recent memory..

That's gonna hurt..

I expect ECU to drop off similarly to Houston when Keenum and Edwards graduated.

(12-05-2014 08:02 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  ECU loses their best QB in recent memory and the most prolific WR in recent memory..

That's gonna hurt..

I expect ECU to drop off similarly to Houston when Keenum and Edwards graduated.

We don't lose our coach too, though.

(12-05-2014 08:05 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 08:02 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  ECU loses their best QB in recent memory and the most prolific WR in recent memory..

That's gonna hurt..

I expect ECU to drop off similarly to Houston when Keenum and Edwards graduated.

We don't lose our coach too, though.

Good point.

However, when Sumlin had Piland the Coogs really fell off as well. I get what you're saying though.

Assuming we just switch home and away against teams we played this year, it could be a tough year for ECU.

Towson
@Florida
VT
@BYU
Cincy
@UCF
USF
Temple
@Uconn
Tulsa/Memphis
@SMU/Navy
@Tulane/Houston

Ok 6-6
Good 7-5
Great+ 8-4

Where as goals for this year would have been
8-4 Ok
9-3 Good
10-2+ Great

ECU will again go to the JC's to fill a few holes...especially in on D...but...It has been reported over and over that Benkert is ready to take over for Carden and with what is expected to be a better O line?..we should move the ball and put points on the board. I think we will be looking at another 8 win season. It would not even surprise me to see us upset UF in Gainesville in Sept.
The schedule will not have as many damn off Sat games and be easier for the coaching staff and players to get into a set routine. I have said all season that our wacky schedule down the stretch was very taxing for the team and coaches. In my 40+ years as a Pirate fan, i have never witnessed such a fkd up schedule.

It will be the weakest OOC schedule since at least 2005.

No time have during that span have we played only 2 P5 1 G5, 1 FCS.

2 years were 4 P5
4 years were 3 P5 and 1 G5
3 years were 3 P5 and 1 FCS

But as we have seen several times over OOC is not what defines ECU teams.

No. BYU> NCSU

Hokie Mark, what are Va Tech fans expecting next year?

(12-05-2014 08:22 PM)Piratelife4me Wrote:  It will be the weakest OOC schedule since at least 2005.

No time have during that span have we played only 2 P5 1 G5, 1 FCS.

2 years were 4 P5
4 years were 3 P5 and 1 G5
3 years were 3 P5 and 1 FCS

But as we have seen several times over OOC is not what defines ECU teams.

I think playing Florida and BYU are sufficient OOC opponents for any AAC team outside of conference tilts. There is no need IMO to go beyond this to impress the committee. You just don't want to pull a Marshall and not play anyone above your status.

(12-05-2014 04:49 PM)Rowdydowdy Wrote:  I'll take a shot on the starters. We lose qb carden, center Hudson, 2 wr hardy and worthy, rb Allen, nt Williams, lb falls, s. Falls, k Harvey.y

We should get better on o-line with the two starting judo's getting better and everyone else coming back. We have wr hurt that will replace worthy. Hardy cannot be replaced that easily. Williams at N T will be hard to replace but we have some new guys ready to play. We can replace the lb and the secondary only has one way to go.... up. Hopefully will find a more consistent kicker. Although he became the leading scorer in ECU history last night, he should have broke that recmuch earlier with better consistency imho. Backup qb has better arm than Cardin and has been in the system for two years. I hope he has the same smarts as Cardin. We will fine at rb with 3-4 getting playing time. Plenty of wr experienced. In fact, ECU plays numerous players on the dine, rb, lb. And wr.

Do not forget about DL (former starter) Stanley who did not play this season due to car accident. He will be a beast and much better than any DL player ECU is losing.

(12-05-2014 06:51 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The OC needs to graduate as well. Still laughing at what I watched at the end of that game.

Oh he's probably leaving unless everyone looking at him decided after last night to let him stay.

(12-05-2014 07:59 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  We also lost "the most" last year, but we see how that turned out.

a 5th place AAC finish. Lets just hope we can stay middle of the pack next year similar to this year

I don't know. We lose Carden and he has to be replaced. Everyone has to do it sometime. As much as I love Justin Hardy, WR is a highly replaceable position. He is great hands, but is not a really a playmaker. At RB we have a ton of talent--so much so that it could make for personnel issues. I don't think B. Allen is the best RB on the team, I think he has the burst to take advantage of open space but, for the running game we are going to need next year, the rest of the RBs sans 26 are better.

If Riley is still here, I'm confident that he can change the O enough to compensate for the changes. If he isn't, then the next guy is going to change it anyway.

(12-05-2014 10:16 PM)gopirates11 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 07:59 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  We also lost "the most" last year, but we see how that turned out.

a 5th place AAC finish. Lets just hope we can stay middle of the pack next year similar to this year

Remember we will be in divisions next year

Our program is in fine shape. As much as some want to hate on this staff, they've done a good job and we should not see a nose dive next season, even with the losses at key positions.

Defense: our run D will still be good. We really need help in the secondary.
Offense. Benkurt will be a good one; it might be rocky at times with the learning curve and decision making but physically and mechanically he's better than Carden. If he does not work out, Blake Kemp is being highly spoken of by the staff. We'll be fine at WR and RB and out OLine should actually be better. In short, we will not see a huge drop-off in offensive production, if any at all.
Special Teams: I spoke with an acquaintance of a kicker that will be attending ECU; I think that his name is Elliot Mason. They said that he is REALLY good and that he has not been impressed with Harvey at all and feels like it will be his job to lose. Hopefully, we'll see more makes and less misses. As for coverage and returns, we get our punter, Worth Gregory, back... and he's a good one. I hope that we learn to cover better. Our return game should be better once Trevon Brown comes back.

At first glance, here's the way I could see things playing out:

Towson W
@Florida Toss Up
VT Toss Up
@BYU L
Cincy Toss Up
@UCF Toss Up
USF Toss Up
Temple Win (only because we get them at home)
@Uconn Win
Tulsa/Memphis W if Tulsa, Toss Up if Memphis
@SMU/Navy Toss Up
@Tulane/Houston Toss up

3 definite wins, 1 definite loss with many toss ups. I think that we'll win at least half of those to finish with at least 6 wins. If we can get 7+ wins I'll be very pleased.