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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless
Of all the local talking heads, I have a hard time stomaching Peter Edmaiston, almost as much as the Rainman. Both of their voices irritate me so much, that I can only listen to either for just snippets at a time. The thing with Edmaiston that bugs me the most is the way he pushes HIS agenda. I have to change stations often when these two are on. So, anything that he would put in print, I just can't give it much credence.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA. But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

Well, then why post this? Either refute the numbers with numbers, or don't.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:14 AM)UpperTiger Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 09:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Here the main tidbit :

Top 100 players signed over the past 5 years

23 Kentucky
16 Duke
15 Ohio St., Arizone
14 North Carolina
13 Kansas
12 Syracuse , Louisville, MEMPHIS
10 Florida
9. UConn
6. Michigan St
1 Wisconsin

Of those 13 schools 10 have made the final four in the last 5 years

All but ONE have made an elite eight

If my math is correct, the above list accounts for 148 out of 500 Top 100 players over the last 5 years. He just left out the teams of the other 352, or did they just not get to the Elite 8 either? I'm not a Pastner fan right now, but I'm less of a fan of Edmiston.

He probably pulled the elite 8 teams from the past 5 years (Pastner's tenure) and checked to see how many top 100 recruits each had. Of course there are schools out there that got top 100 recruits that aren't on this list, but are there any that got as many as Memphis and have had our mediocre success? Instead of just dismissing the numbers, hit the books folks. Prove him wrong.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:14 AM)UpperTiger Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 09:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Here the main tidbit :

Top 100 players signed over the past 5 years

23 Kentucky
16 Duke
15 Ohio St., Arizone
14 North Carolina
13 Kansas
12 Syracuse , Louisville, MEMPHIS
10 Florida
9. UConn
6. Michigan St
1 Wisconsin

Of those 13 schools 10 have made the final four in the last 5 years

All but ONE have made an elite eight

If my math is correct, the above list accounts for 148 out of 500 Top 100 players over the last 5 years. He just left out the teams of the other 352, or did they just not get to the Elite 8 either? I'm not a Pastner fan right now, but I'm less of a fan of Edmiston.

Those were just examples of schools that made elite 8s and final fours. Wichita St and VCU are 2 obvious omissions. Disagree with what was written but you can't argue the fact that we've underachieved comparable to our recruiting.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:14 AM)Mick Light Wrote:  
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(12-05-2014 09:39 AM)thewood3 Wrote:  I can't afford CA Premium. Will you recap?

If you cannot afford $5 per month, you need to take another job....

Don't Judge...He may have some bad habits.

Now tell me what is says 03-wink

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You probably have to pee a lot after that much coke.

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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:19 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA. But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

Well, then why post this? Either refute the numbers with numbers, or don't.

The numbers refute themselves...He included a team with 1 top 100 recruit...UCLA has at least 12. Why would he not include a full list unless it is to spin the story? You really don't have to think that hard to figure out he didn't include them because they have had similar success as us in the tourney.

He essentially is putting out propaganda and people will eat it up because they agree that Pastner should go...Similar to FoxNews and MSNBC people accept spin without questioning if it lines up with their beliefs.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:22 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:14 AM)UpperTiger Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 09:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Here the main tidbit :

Top 100 players signed over the past 5 years

23 Kentucky
16 Duke
15 Ohio St., Arizone
14 North Carolina
13 Kansas
12 Syracuse , Louisville, MEMPHIS
10 Florida
9. UConn
6. Michigan St
1 Wisconsin

Of those 13 schools 10 have made the final four in the last 5 years

All but ONE have made an elite eight

If my math is correct, the above list accounts for 148 out of 500 Top 100 players over the last 5 years. He just left out the teams of the other 352, or did they just not get to the Elite 8 either? I'm not a Pastner fan right now, but I'm less of a fan of Edmiston.

He probably pulled the elite 8 teams from the past 5 years (Pastner's tenure) and checked to see how many top 100 recruits each had. Of course there are schools out there that got top 100 recruits that aren't on this list, but are there any that got as many as Memphis and have had our mediocre success? Instead of just dismissing the numbers, hit the books folks. Prove him wrong.

Exactly
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(12-05-2014 10:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  The numbers refute themselves...He included a team with 1 top 100 recruit...UCLA has at least 12. Why would he not include a full list unless it is to spin the story.


good point
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA (12 top 100s). But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up. Sometimes you have to use your mind and weed through the BS.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

It's more than 12...

Barton
Crawford
Black
JJ
Kendrick
Adonis
Shaq
Markel
Iverson
King
Austin
Pookie
Woodson
Magee

Lawson
Lawson
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Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 09:50 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
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I can't afford CA Premium. Will you recap?

If you cannot afford $5 per month, you need to take another job....

I have a problem with that. I took the CA for 30 years. If they would package gotigersgo.com and the CA for a decent fee, that would be worth it.

I understand the changes that newspapers are experiencing, but it seems like they could make more through on line ads like Google or Yahoo Mail which with the traffic they would get for free on line viewing.

The Star Telegram and Dallas Morning News are still free on line.

If you take the paper at all they throw in the online subscription. All I get is the Sunday paper and I have the online version.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:19 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA. But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

Well, then why post this? Either refute the numbers with numbers, or don't.

The numbers refute themselves...He included a team with 1 top 100 recruit...UCLA has at least 12. Why would he not include a full list unless it is to spin the story.

No, they don't refute themselves simply because you want them to. Leaving a team off doesn't change the finding concerning Memphis.

But UCLA has had between 11 and 14 top 100 recruits over the past 5 years and has been to the Sweet 16. They also fired a coach in that span, which is definitely doesn't make Pastner's performance look any better.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 09:54 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Here the main tidbit :

Top 100 players signed over the past 5 years

23 Kentucky
16 Duke
15 Ohio St., Arizone
14 North Carolina
13 Kansas
12 Syracuse , Louisville, MEMPHIS
10 Florida
9. UConn
6. Michigan St
1 Wisconsin

Of those 13 schools 10 have made the final four in the last 5 years

All but ONE have made an elite eight

As broken down by Advancement:

National champs:
23 Kentucky
13 Louisville
9. UConn

National Runner Up:
13 Kansas

Final Four:
15 Ohio St.
10 Florida
1 Wisconsin
6. Michigan St
12 Syracuse

Elite Eight:
12 Arizona
14 North Carolina

Round of 32:
12. MEMPHIS

Edit...It was written by Michael Cohen, not Edmiston
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA (12 top 100s). But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up. Sometimes you have to use your mind and weed through the BS.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

It's more than 12...

Barton
Crawford
Black
JJ
Kendrick
Adonis
Shaq
Markel
Iverson
King
Austin
Pookie
Woodson
Magee

Lawson
Lawson

First, let’s revisit the Top-100 players signed by Pastner in his last five recruiting classes:

2014 — None

2013 — Austin Nichols, Kuran Iverson, Nick King, Dominic Woodson, Pookie Powell

2012 — Shaq Goodwin

2011 — Adonis Thomas

2010 — Will Barton, Joe Jackson, Jelan Kendrick, Tarik Black, Geron Johnson *

* Johnson did not sign with Memphis directly out of high school — he attended junior college first — but he was a Top-100 player after a stellar career at Dunbar in Dayton, Ohio
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
Is anyone refuting the fact Pastner has vastly underachieved with the level of players he's brought in?

Pastner's teams were ranked in the preseason top 20 four times. Only once did we end the year ranked in the top 25.

That's another indictment on his abilities as a coach, but I'm sure it's become clear to practically everyone he's not the man for the job.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA (12 top 100s). But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up. Sometimes you have to use your mind and weed through the BS.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

It's more than 12...

Barton
Crawford
Black
JJ
Kendrick
Adonis
Shaq
Markel
Iverson
King
Austin
Pookie
Woodson
Magee

Lawson
Lawson

He's not counting the Lawsons (not here yet), Chris Crawford or Dom Woodson as they weren't RSCI top 100 guys.
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:32 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA (12 top 100s). But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up. Sometimes you have to use your mind and weed through the BS.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

It's more than 12...

Barton
Crawford
Black
JJ
Kendrick
Adonis
Shaq
Markel
Iverson
King
Austin
Pookie
Woodson
Magee

Lawson
Lawson

He's not counting the Lawsons (not her yet), Chris Crawford or Dom Woodson as they weren't RSCI top 100 guys.

I was using Rivals as a guide.
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(12-05-2014 10:25 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:23 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  The numbers refute themselves...He included a team with 1 top 100 recruit...UCLA has at least 12. Why would he not include a full list unless it is to spin the story.


good point

Not sure that UCLA had that many in the last 5 years. I do know that their coach got fired. A coach that had been to 3 final fours
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RE: Anyone read Edmiston's column in the CA this morning ?
(12-05-2014 10:32 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA (12 top 100s). But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up. Sometimes you have to use your mind and weed through the BS.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

It's more than 12...

Barton
Crawford
Black
JJ
Kendrick
Adonis
Shaq
Markel
Iverson
King
Austin
Pookie
Woodson
Magee

Lawson
Lawson

He's not counting the Lawsons (not here yet), Chris Crawford or Dom Woodson as they weren't RSCI top 100 guys.

I can't wait until one day, magically, that I see Iverson display the talent to match all the street cred he has. I haven't seen anything from him yet.
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Tennessee had 6. Made a Sweet 16.
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(12-05-2014 10:36 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:32 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:10 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-05-2014 10:05 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Edmiston has his nose so far up UNC;'s butt that anything he says is worthless

I am sure what he states is 100% factual...But I am also sure he includes Jalen in those numbers and also doesn't factor in how many top 100 players returned from the year before.

I am also sure that is not a complete list of schools and their top 100 recruits. Should add up to 500 to be a complete list but you list Wisconsin with 1 top 100 player I am sure there are more schools with more than 1. That also leads me to believe there are other schools that have close to the number we do but have not had success either...Say like UCLA (12 top 100s). But they are not included because he is spinning this story and people are eating it up. Sometimes you have to use your mind and weed through the BS.

Don't care enough to do the research though.

It's more than 12...

Barton
Crawford
Black
JJ
Kendrick
Adonis
Shaq
Markel
Iverson
King
Austin
Pookie
Woodson
Magee

Lawson
Lawson

He's not counting the Lawsons (not here yet), Chris Crawford or Dom Woodson as they weren't RSCI top 100 guys.

I can't wait until one day, magically, that I see Iverson display the talent to match all the street cred he has. I haven't seen anything from him yet.

He's never been on the court long enough to tell
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