(12-04-2014 11:49 PM)the1sttransport Wrote:  Aside from the celebration posts, I'm curious to the logistical thought process by ECU:

1st and 10 at UCF 15 TEAM run for a loss of 3 yards to the UCF 18 26 30
2nd and 13 at UCF 18 TEAM run for a loss of 2 yards to the UCF 20
Timeout UCF, clock 01:02
3rd and 15 at UCF 20 Shane Carden run for a loss of 4 yards to the UCF 24
Timeout EAST CAROLINA, clock 00:16
4th and 19 at UCF 24 Shane Carden sacked by Jaryl Mamea for a loss of 11 yards to the UCF 35

...and that takes to the 00:10 of the 4th quarter.

1. Was ECU under the misunderstanding that the clock would continue to run even though it was a turnover on downs? Or did they predict the length of the field with ~10 seconds left would be insurmountable given the futility of UCF's offense in the 4th quarter?

2. What was the thought process of not going for the field goal? Was the kicker injured? Were they concerned that by going up 7 they were risking a kickoff return for touchdown (like UCF did recently against SMU)? STILL seems odd, as overtime in an emotional stadium would've continued to be in ECU's favor.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: I don't intend to sound inflammatory. ECU displayed phenomenal heart in the 4th quarter and made for a dramatic end of the game.

What you're missing is that our HC isn't very intelligent. It's really that simple.

(12-05-2014 03:59 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:49 PM)the1sttransport Wrote:  Aside from the celebration posts, I'm curious to the logistical thought process by ECU:

1st and 10 at UCF 15 TEAM run for a loss of 3 yards to the UCF 18 26 30
2nd and 13 at UCF 18 TEAM run for a loss of 2 yards to the UCF 20
Timeout UCF, clock 01:02
3rd and 15 at UCF 20 Shane Carden run for a loss of 4 yards to the UCF 24
Timeout EAST CAROLINA, clock 00:16
4th and 19 at UCF 24 Shane Carden sacked by Jaryl Mamea for a loss of 11 yards to the UCF 35

...and that takes to the 00:10 of the 4th quarter.

1. Was ECU under the misunderstanding that the clock would continue to run even though it was a turnover on downs? Or did they predict the length of the field with ~10 seconds left would be insurmountable given the futility of UCF's offense in the 4th quarter?

2. What was the thought process of not going for the field goal? Was the kicker injured? Were they concerned that by going up 7 they were risking a kickoff return for touchdown (like UCF did recently against SMU)? STILL seems odd, as overtime in an emotional stadium would've continued to be in ECU's favor.

Am I missing something?

EDIT: I don't intend to sound inflammatory. ECU displayed phenomenal heart in the 4th quarter and made for a dramatic end of the game.

What you're missing is that our HC isn't very intelligent. It's really that simple.

People keep saying that it is Ruff, but if you go back and look at the last play of the game last night; you are going to see that ECU had a linebacker on the goal line at the end of the game in a known hail Mary situation.

What defensive coordinator would do that? ECU's DC; that is who.

They put Pratt on the goal line, but left Worthy (who is a "6'3" guy with a "40" verticle leap) on the sideline.

Buck stops with the hc. Why the hell would you put the game on the line like that depending on our weakest unit to make the stop?

(12-05-2014 02:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 02:12 PM)Knightshift Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:27 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:19 AM)Chappy Wrote:  Shoot, run all the way back for the safety, that would have taken all the time off the clock.

There's your winning strategy.

So the best strategy is run the ball towards your own goal, where he could get possibly get tackled and give the ball to the other team with great field position? Mmmmm, I don't think so.

Heck yeah. Intentional safety. Google it. Give away 2 points to run the clock. Easy call

Lmao that's the dumbest call ever. This isn't a 10 yard run carden would have been easily caught giving ucf the ball on the ecu side of the field instead of where we got it. Seriously the only right answer when u have the ball on the opponent 15 is 3 runs up the middle and either kick a fg or run again. Their RB prob wojld have gotten the 1st down with how they played in the 4th quarter.

(12-05-2014 05:41 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Buck stops with the hc. Why the hell would you put the game on the line like that depending on our weakest unit to make the stop?

I don't know. They passed equally weak link on the team by not attempting a field goal. Maybe the Hail Mary was the lesser of the two evils in their minds. A day after the loss it occurred to me that that game was a meeting of the perfect storm of ECU's weaknesses on the football field.

(12-05-2014 07:36 AM)k-vegasbuc Wrote:  It was terrible coaching. I honestly have no clue why we were even in the victory formation with just under 2 minutes and UCF had a timeout. I don't know if I've ever seen a team go to the victory formation and still lose the game. This off season our coaches really need to go to a clinic or something and learn how to manage time at the end of games because this is clearly an issue for this staff.

I believe Tulane will offer such a clinic this off season. Check it out.

(12-05-2014 05:49 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 05:41 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Buck stops with the hc. Why the hell would you put the game on the line like that depending on our weakest unit to make the stop?

I don't know. They passed equally weak link on the team by not attempting a field goal. Maybe the Hail Mary was the lesser of the two evils in their minds. A day after the loss it occurred to me that that game was a meeting of the perfect storm of ECU's weaknesses on the football field.

Even a missed fg theyre in the same position. Run it up the gut 3 times milking as much clock as possible and kick the damn thing. Worst case its back on the defense.

(12-05-2014 01:21 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

Fine, Ruff is a bumbling idiot and Riley is too young to know what he's doing. Ruff clearly is a bumbling idiot you can try to argue that fact but you know it's true. Doesn't mean he's not a great guy or a great Pirate but he's stupid. He has a low level of basic intelligence.

Hey, I am hated Wolfpack fan, but that is uncalled for! Coach Ruffin is an honorable man and good coach. There was blame to go all around with players and coaches for last night. Cardin should have known better to run better than vertical. OC should have never a taken a knee that early. DC and Def Players know not to let a man get behind you. Coach Ruff should have kicked the FG.

Poor decisions, yes but I would not call any of these people idiots.

He's a very honorable man, a great person, a great pirate, but that doesn't mean he's not an idiot. Those are separate issues. It's not his fault he's not smart, some people just aren't born with the mental capacity to do basic math. Hopefully he finally realizes he's not one of those people and lets someone else count for him.

Neither you or I have any idea what Ruff's thought process was at the time. To claim some type of mental deficient is over the line. I really think you need to step away from the keyboard when ECU loses a game. I understand your angst...but...your comments are inappropriate.

(12-05-2014 12:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

I respectfully disagree. In that situation?... It is the HC call to either run out the clock or set the offense up for a FG. At that point it is the OC job to call the appropriate plays to execute his directive. I assume that Ruff chose the former. I can't address his thought process..but..I can say that it went totally against the mainstream football strategy. I presume he thought it was worth the gamble. Bottom line? His decision cost his team the game. He should at minimum own it. Im not mad with him BTW. I have the utmost respect for him. I hope he learned a valuable lesson last night.

THAT MAN IS ECU FOOTBALL.

He will be around for a long time, IMO. This is one of those cases where the coaches persona is really becoming the hallmark of the University.

(12-05-2014 08:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

THAT MAN IS ECU FOOTBALL.

He will be around for a long time, IMO. This is one of those cases where the coaches persona is really becoming the hallmark of the University.

He is fine man from good stock. No one wants Ruff to fail. I do though want him to evolve and learn from mistakes. I expect this season has given him and his staff some pause for reflection. If not? We are going to have some problems in the next couple of years. If we have a good HC and staff?....Last nights coaching performance can not be held as one to be proud of.

(12-05-2014 08:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

THAT MAN IS ECU FOOTBALL.

He will be around for a long time, IMO. This is one of those cases where the coaches persona is really becoming the hallmark of the University.

Is this sarcasm?

(12-05-2014 07:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:02 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  He's the rational, Ruff is an idiot. Not in the had a bad night and made some questionable calls, but in the general sense of he's just not smart. Basic math and basic comprehension skills are above his intelligence level.

Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

I respectfully disagree. In that situation?... It is the HC call to either run out the clock or set the offense up for a FG. At that point it is the OC job to call the appropriate plays to execute his directive. I assume that Ruff chose the former. I can't address his thought process..but..I can say that it went totally against the mainstream football strategy. I presume he thought it was worth the gamble. Bottom line? His decision cost his team the game. He should at minimum own it. Im not mad with him BTW. I have the utmost respect for him. I hope he learned a valuable lesson last night.

Agreed. Les Miles was roasted for the same and he had less time to think about it.

(12-05-2014 10:10 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 08:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

THAT MAN IS ECU FOOTBALL.

He will be around for a long time, IMO. This is one of those cases where the coaches persona is really becoming the hallmark of the University.

Is this sarcasm?

Why even care? Nothing wrong with winning and representing ECU with class and humanity IMO. I guess some folks just cant be happy with even the slightest amount of success. After 40 years of being a fan, I have come to appreciate the wins and deal with the loses without losing my fcking mind. It is just after all...a damn game played by kids. I admit I have at times a hard time remembering these are "student athletes"...not professionals.

(12-05-2014 10:14 PM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 07:58 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:16 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 12:06 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  Yikes!

Plain and simple that's the truth. He's just not smart enough to comprehend the basics that it would take to do math. He's a great guy, good recruiter, and extremely popular, but all that doesn't change the harsh reality that he's an idiot. Maybe someone he trusts will in private let him know that he's not smart enough to make decisions on time because he lacks the mental capacity to do math and he'll defer to someone else going forward.

It was the OC's deal. Not the HC. The OC screwed up. The OC also screwed up at Cincinnati just a few weeks ago by throwing 7 straight passes and not running the ball to take time off of the clock at the end of that game, even though Cincinnati still had 2 timeouts left to use in that game. Cincinnati got the ball back with a timeout left and they went down and kicked the field goal. You don't remember that game?

The bigger issue is that the OC Lincoln Riley is a sharp young guy, but he has been getting OJT at ECU for the last 5 years. So ECU has to take their lumps with a guy like that. DC Rick Smith is a wiley old veteran coach, but there is a reason that he was pretty much out of football before ECU hired him. The guy's secondary is terrible. They can't stay with their own shadows, but he keeps trotting out Allen, Hawkins and Lennon. Somehow the ECU OC and DC have combined to take a team that should have went 12-0 or 11-1 at worst and made that group 8-4. Those two guys did the same thing last year, when they found a way to help ECU lose to VT, at Tulane and at Marshall. ECU is getting what they are paying for.

I respectfully disagree. In that situation?... It is the HC call to either run out the clock or set the offense up for a FG. At that point it is the OC job to call the appropriate plays to execute his directive. I assume that Ruff chose the former. I can't address his thought process..but..I can say that it went totally against the mainstream football strategy. I presume he thought it was worth the gamble. Bottom line? His decision cost his team the game. He should at minimum own it. Im not mad with him BTW. I have the utmost respect for him. I hope he learned a valuable lesson last night.

Agreed. Les Miles was roasted for the same and he had less time to think about it.

Yeah...It is very easy to cast blame while in your own shoes.