The Belt should have a rule (and I think it does) that the champion is guaranteeed a bowl.

After that I certainly believe any team with 7 or more wins should be placed before 6 win teams.

(12-04-2014 10:48 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  We all have to built this conference. Last year 2 bowl tie-ins, this year 3, next year 4. Is that enough? I would still say no. The Belt needs 5 bowl tie-ins I believe and the 5th needs to be in the western side of the conference (Texas, Louisiana or in Arkansas).

But I would have no objection at all to a Belt rule that required 7 win teams to be sent to bowls over 6 win teams.

Any and I mean any Belt team who finishes 7-5 or better should be in a bowl period.

It all comes down to whether or not you think you have the clout to force your bowl tie-ins to take teams they don't want.

We didn't even have the clout to force the New Orleans Bowl to take our champion even when the league didn't have Idaho.

If you don't have the clout...and you force them....you will not have that contract next go around.

(12-04-2014 11:01 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Do you believe some of CUSA's teams are that desirable as bowl participants? But CUSA still insists that 7 win teams go over 6 win teams.

Any absolutely the conference champion should be guaranteed a bowl placement.

Agreed. Ws need to be the true measuring stick. Otherwise why play the games. Confernce secures tie ins for thier winning programs or local programs? Teams win games to make bowl bids. Champions are selected based on wins not location. Coaches are paid based on wins. Players are recruited with promises that if they win games they will get to play in a bowl game. This crap about location holds no weight.

The SBC conference has a rule that A conference champ...A

must get a bowl bid before all others. Last year if there was a 3 way tie one would have been left home. So when you have a schedule where each school doesn't play each other and no championship game and limited tie ins there should be a tiebreaker in place and a conference champ named.

Is the SBC the only conference that doesn't have a tie breaker?

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:01 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Do you believe some of CUSA's teams are that desirable as bowl participants? But CUSA still insists that 7 win teams go over 6 win teams.

Any absolutely the conference champion should be guaranteed a bowl placement.

Agreed. Ws need to be the true measuring stick. Otherwise why play the games. Confernce secures tie ins for thier winning programs or local programs? Teams win games to make bowl bids. Champions are selected based on wins not location. Coaches are paid based on wins. Players are recruited with promises that if they win games they will get to play in a bowl game. This crap about location holds no weight.

This is FBS. Did somebody PROMISE you a bowl game? Champions are selected by a FREAKING POLL. You can't get into the playoffs unless a COMMITTEE APPROVES YOU. Bowls take teams that they think will make them THE MOST MONEY. Most of what you said is just flat out fantasy. FBS football is not fair.

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

We all know your purpose. Go away troll.

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

Exactly. But I guess Sun Belt schools should just be happy to play FBS ball and shut the hell up.

(12-04-2014 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

We all know your purpose. Go away troll.

Not trolling of true. Please explain why the 7 win rule works for other conferences but not Sun Belt.

(12-04-2014 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

We all know your purpose. Go away troll.

You are the only one trolling

your problem is I'm not taking the hook..

I think most fans would agree send your champ but actually name a champ and then best team with the best record takes the next bowl spot

(12-04-2014 11:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:01 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Do you believe some of CUSA's teams are that desirable as bowl participants? But CUSA still insists that 7 win teams go over 6 win teams.

Any absolutely the conference champion should be guaranteed a bowl placement.

Agreed. Ws need to be the true measuring stick. Otherwise why play the games. Confernce secures tie ins for thier winning programs or local programs? Teams win games to make bowl bids. Champions are selected based on wins not location. Coaches are paid based on wins. Players are recruited with promises that if they win games they will get to play in a bowl game. This crap about location holds no weight.

This is FBS. Did somebody PROMISE you a bowl game? Champions are selected by a FREAKING POLL. You can't get into the playoffs unless a COMMITTEE APPROVES YOU. Bowls take teams that they think will make them THE MOST MONEY. Most of what you said is just flat out fantasy. FBS football is not fair.

They do in CUSA win 7 and you will go bowling over 6-6 teams.

(12-04-2014 08:33 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 08:23 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  Would you blame us? I appreciate all the efforts by the fans to try to get us into an at large bowl game. But I can't help but feel we were sold out by the leadership of the Sun Belt. I'm more upset for our athletes and staff who did everything asked to make a bowl game than myself as a fan. Chances are I wouldn't be able to make the game but the team would. If this is what we have to look forward to every year. Worrying that we might get passed over by the local flavor then why be in a conference. What good is a tie in. The next tie in will be in Florida. So what does that mean. A 6-6 GSU will be selected over a 7-5 TXST? I was a fan of the belt and enjoy the fans but I'm sorry but I want out. CUSA has my vote now.

The way things are right now, every school would leave if they had an offer. So at the end of the day it doesn't matter if you want to leave, but whether or not you have an offer.

That could change over time, but it's going to take a while.

Sun Belt needs to pursue partnership with a Texas Bowl or help get the one in Little Rock established.

(12-04-2014 11:28 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

We all know your purpose. Go away troll.

Not trolling of true. Please explain why the 7 win rule works for other conferences but not Sun Belt.

You realize there are 2 parties negotiating right? The bowls have to agree to this, this isn't just us telling them how things are gonna be and they take everything Krazy Karl says and agrees to it. We need them more than they need us, they are sponsoring the bowl, they are fronting all the money. They want to get their money back and hopefully make a ton of money.

This ...the bowls gets to make the choice, we have no say in it is really a copout

If the SBC can make a rule that the conference champ get a bowl game no matter what ...the SBC can make a rule that 7-5 before 6-6. Because if its as you say that the bowls gets to pick....

guess who the Go Daddy wanted last year? if not for the threat of going to court a 8-4 WKU was the Go Daddy's first choice. And before a ASU fan comes back...conference champ rule, you are making my point. A point that even the SBC can have there own rules.

Honestly think how that sounds the next time someone wants to argue conferences.

(12-04-2014 11:28 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:08 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  This crap about location holds no weight.

As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

We all know your purpose. Go away troll.

Not trolling of true. Please explain why the 7 win rule works for other conferences but not Sun Belt.

Because we haven't had enough clout to force our primary bowl tie-ins to take a 7-win Idaho team over a 6-win USA and still expect them to re-sign with us when bowl negotiations come back around. We couldn't even do that before we had Idaho. We couldn't even force our original bowl tie-in where we have our headquarters to take our champion! Even when the marvelous WKU/MTSU/FIU/FAU/UNT crowd were gracing us.

(12-04-2014 11:32 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:28 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

We all know your purpose. Go away troll.

Not trolling of true. Please explain why the 7 win rule works for other conferences but not Sun Belt.

You realize there are 2 parties negotiating right? The bowls have to agree to this, this isn't just us telling them how things are gonna be and they take everything Krazy Karl says and agrees to it. We need them more than they need us, they are sponsoring the bowl, they are fronting all the money. They want to get their money back and hopefully make a ton of money.

They know who the choices are by agreeing to the tie in. Otherwise it would be an at large bowl. They front the money but it's the Conference teams providing the entertainment and it's fans watching all that TV air time. They need us as much as we need them otherwise they go to another conference. If it's going to be the scene teams playing in our bowl games every year then why play in this conference when there are other conferences that reward competition?

(12-04-2014 11:32 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:28 PM)TXSTCAT Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:18 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:15 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  As long as the bowls picks the teams, it will remain a big factor.

So are you saying CUSA teams are special? we must be if the conference gets to say a 7-5 team goes bowling over a 6-6 school even if that 6-6 school had a history of bringing 30k.

I'm not trying to argue conferences...just pointing out the differences and a flaw by the SBC

We all know your purpose. Go away troll.

Not trolling of true. Please explain why the 7 win rule works for other conferences but not Sun Belt.

You realize there are 2 parties negotiating right? The bowls have to agree to this, this isn't just us telling them how things are gonna be and they take everything Krazy Karl says and agrees to it. We need them more than they need us, they are sponsoring the bowl, they are fronting all the money. They want to get their money back and hopefully make a ton of money.

We've got kids here just realizing that FBS is a petty hierarchical corrupt oligarchy and that they are lower than dirt and its not the magical party they thought they were signing up for.

Then we've got the disgruntled troll former member trying to stir them up against their own for the lulz.

(12-04-2014 11:55 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  We've got kids here just realizing that FBS is a petty hierarchical corrupt oligarchy and that they are lower than dirt and its not the magical party they thought they were signing up for.

Then we've got the disgruntled troll former member trying to stir them up against their own for the lulz.

No, we've just been fed the notion that 6 wins gets you a bowl. That's not the case, and this is a reality check for it.