Ok, Syracuse and North Carolina basketball what gives? What's your problem?

(12-04-2014 12:48 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, Syracuse and North Carolina basketball what gives? What's your problem?

We can't shoot. We can't recruit shooters. We recruit athletes that can't shoot. That about sums it up.

(12-04-2014 12:55 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:48 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, Syracuse and North Carolina basketball what gives? What's your problem?

We can't shoot. We can't recruit shooters. We recruit athletes that can't shoot. That about sums it up.

There is more inner turmoil at UNC than meets the eye and they have no means of escaping it anytime soon.

(12-04-2014 01:01 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:55 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:48 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, Syracuse and North Carolina basketball what gives? What's your problem?

We can't shoot. We can't recruit shooters. We recruit athletes that can't shoot. That about sums it up.

There is more inner turmoil at UNC than meets the eye and they have no means of escaping it anytime soon.

That has nothing to do with hitting jump shots. It has been a problem for a while. I will panic when March come around, not now.

(12-04-2014 12:55 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:48 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, Syracuse and North Carolina basketball what gives? What's your problem?

We can't shoot. We can't recruit shooters. We recruit athletes that can't shoot. That about sums it up.

We recruit guys to play our zone instead of guys who can shoot or flat out score. Seems every year we play teams with 3 or 4 guys who can hit from three where as we usually have 1. so we end being a really nice defensive team who struggles to score.

That said our main issue this year is youth. For the first time in quite a few seasons we will be much better in March than we are in December. Once our two freshman figure it out we are going to be very good.

I think both you will get better. I hope you peake in March!

(12-04-2014 01:33 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I think both you will get better. I hope you peake in March!

It's early December so it's hardly time for anyone to hit the panic button. However, it was ridiculous to put UNC in the top ten nationally. They may get there but they're not there now.

(12-04-2014 01:29 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:55 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:48 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, Syracuse and North Carolina basketball what gives? What's your problem?

We can't shoot. We can't recruit shooters. We recruit athletes that can't shoot. That about sums it up.

We recruit guys to play our zone instead of guys who can shoot or flat out score. Seems every year we play teams with 3 or 4 guys who can hit from three where as we usually have 1. so we end being a really nice defensive team who struggles to score.

That said our main issue this year is youth. For the first time in quite a few seasons we will be much better in March than we are in December. Once our two freshman figure it out we are going to be very good.

I thought the point of playing zone is to allow you to recruit shooters who struggle on defense - not the other way around! If you're going to try to live off of your defense, play full-court man-to-man press!!!

The cuse result was actually encouraging as that was the best we have played all year but our freshman made too many mistakes to win. I expect us to get better as season goes on.

Good win for you guys though

(12-04-2014 02:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  It's early December so it's hardly time for anyone to hit the panic button. However, it was ridiculous to put UNC in the top ten nationally. They may get there but they're not there now.

Exactly. Way overrated early on. They need to earn that ranking, and I believe they will only get better. Iowa is a solid team and will probably make the dance. Butler too.

(12-04-2014 01:29 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  We recruit guys to play our zone instead of guys who can shoot or flat out score. Seems every year we play teams with 3 or 4 guys who can hit from three where as we usually have 1. so we end being a really nice defensive team who struggles to score.

That said our main issue this year is youth. For the first time in quite a few seasons we will be much better in March than we are in December. Once our two freshman figure it out we are going to be very good.

Agree with the latter part, but I think we have had our share of teams with at least three good shooters from behind the arc in terms of % and number taken.

2003 - McNamara, Duany, Melo
2004 and 2005 - Basically GMac only
2006 - McNamara, Devo, and Nichols
2007 - Devo, Nichols, and Rautins
2009 - Flynn, Devo, Rautins
2010 - Rautins, Wes Johnson, Triche/Jardine (shared time with Rautins)
2011 - Jardine, Triche, Kris Joseph
2012 - the same as 2011
2013 - Basically Sutherland, though MCW and Triche were willing to take them, but hit them at a less than 30% clip
2014 - Basically Cooney only

I hope the past two years are an aberration and we get back to playing both good zone defense and multiple players both making and willing to shoot three pointers.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-04-2014 02:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I thought the point of playing zone is to allow you to recruit shooters who struggle on defense - not the other way around! If you're going to try to live off of your defense, play full-court man-to-man press!!!

Nope about the zone, playing the zone has little to do with recruiting shooters who struggle on defense. But yes, I would like us to press more often. JB seems content to let the other team dictate the pace, so it's hard to argue with a guy who has 950 and counting wins and gets us to the tourney the majority of the time.

Cheers,
Neil

(12-04-2014 06:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 02:25 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  It's early December so it's hardly time for anyone to hit the panic button. However, it was ridiculous to put UNC in the top ten nationally. They may get there but they're not there now.

Exactly. Way overrated early on. They need to earn that ranking, and I believe they will only get better. Iowa is a solid team and will probably make the dance. Butler too.

I don't think last night had anything to do with developmental issues that will fix themselves as the team gets more experience or more time together. I thought their problem last night was just a lack of effort and "want to". There just wasn't much energy or urgency in the Dean Dome - on the court or in the stands.

Cuse is hoping to get PF Dejuan Coleman back...if they do Cuse could sneak into a 4-6 seed, if not I think 8-12 seed or even NIT. Cooney hitting from 35-40% from 3 will help a ton.

Guys after Kansas got Destroyed by Kentucky, The Kat Fans have been licking Their Chops at putting a major hurting on UNC. Don't let it happen. They already believe Louisville won't stay within 15 points but the jerks won't give that point spread for it. They have become extremely overbearing the last 2 weeks.

(12-04-2014 02:42 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 01:29 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:55 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:48 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Ok, Syracuse and North Carolina basketball what gives? What's your problem?

We can't shoot. We can't recruit shooters. We recruit athletes that can't shoot. That about sums it up.

We recruit guys to play our zone instead of guys who can shoot or flat out score. Seems every year we play teams with 3 or 4 guys who can hit from three where as we usually have 1. so we end being a really nice defensive team who struggles to score.

That said our main issue this year is youth. For the first time in quite a few seasons we will be much better in March than we are in December. Once our two freshman figure it out we are going to be very good.

I thought the point of playing zone is to allow you to recruit shooters who struggle on defense - not the other way around! If you're going to try to live off of your defense, play full-court man-to-man press!!!

Cuse puts an emphasis on height/arm length when recruiting for the zone.

'Cuse will be fine come tourney time, this team wins 20 games easy. Syracuse had 18 turnovers against Michigan including two with under 20 seconds in the game and a chance for the win -- each late turnovers were done by freshman. Syracuse shot 50% from the field so those 18 turnovers are potentially worth 9 baskets.

(12-04-2014 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Guys after Kansas got Destroyed by Kentucky, The Kat Fans have been licking Their Chops at putting a major hurting on UNC. Don't let it happen. They already believe Louisville won't stay within 15 points but the jerks won't give that point spread for it. They have become extremely overbearing the last 2 weeks.

What's going on at Ukay is totally ridiculous. Surely these kids figure out they're being idiots for marching into a system completely overloaded with talent. They can't possibly get enough opportunity to develop their game. When a few of these players fall through the cracks this farce will cool off and bring Calipari back down to the average coach he is. If it doesn't, it reeks of something much more sinister. What's happening there is completely unprecedented in the history of college athletics. In the meantime, it's ugly for the rest of college basketball. Bye year end they should be the most dominate team maybe ever.

(12-04-2014 06:59 PM)omniorange Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 01:29 PM)WNCOrange Wrote:  We recruit guys to play our zone instead of guys who can shoot or flat out score. Seems every year we play teams with 3 or 4 guys who can hit from three where as we usually have 1. so we end being a really nice defensive team who struggles to score.

That said our main issue this year is youth. For the first time in quite a few seasons we will be much better in March than we are in December. Once our two freshman figure it out we are going to be very good.

Agree with the latter part, but I think we have had our share of teams with at least three good shooters from behind the arc in terms of % and number taken.

2003 - McNamara, Duany, Melo
2004 and 2005 - Basically GMac only
2006 - McNamara, Devo, and Nichols
2007 - Devo, Nichols, and Rautins
2009 - Flynn, Devo, Rautins
2010 - Rautins, Wes Johnson, Triche/Jardine (shared time with Rautins)
2011 - Jardine, Triche, Kris Joseph
2012 - the same as 2011
2013 - Basically Sutherland, though MCW and Triche were willing to take them, but hit them at a less than 30% clip
2014 - Basically Cooney only

I hope the past two years are an aberration and we get back to playing both good zone defense and multiple players both making and willing to shoot three pointers.

Cheers,
Neil

Aside from the year with Melo the only years (imo) where we had more than one guy who we could really count on was the years that Devo and Rautins overlapped.

We have had a lot of other guys who could take them and occasionally make them but they were not flat out shooters in the way that GMac, Andy and Devo were.

Southerland much like Cooney had the potential but never really lived up to it for my money.

I think BJ could turn into that sort of player but I don't know that he is going to get enough run this year because of his defense.