There's a reason FSU and Alabama have the lowest scoring margin while also playing the most bowl eligible P5 teams.

(12-05-2014 12:28 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 11:31 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 10:28 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  2- ND is unranked. The only #5 about them is the number of losses for them and their victims. It's not the same as taking down a legit top 10. The only wins they have all have 5 losses or more. So a 5 loss team that beat 7 teams with 5+ losses is somehow a quality elite win???

The committee has expressly said that they view rankings as of the time the game is played, not now. Unfortunately, they do not evenly apply this.

They said its one of many considerations. The current rankings aren't thrown out.

They actually did say that they don't look at current rankings... at least when asked about the rankings of Alabama and (at the time) Miss St. When asked about FSU, "then" they said they look at both. I am not an FSU fan, but the uneven application of their criteria is utterly ridiculous.

(12-05-2014 12:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  FSU has played more quality opponents than any other playoff contender. You keep talking about game control, which ignores losses, and I'll keep bringing up FSU has played more quality teams.

Calling teams like NC State "quality" is stretching it. If Texas Tech could have scheduled four layups in non-conference like the Wolfpack they are a bowl team and "quality win" by your metric.

Miami is 6-6 with one good win (Duke) with several double digit losses.

BC had a nice upset of USC but lost to CSU and beat nobody else with a decent resume. 6 wins vs .500 or worse. USC is a nice win but 8-4.

Teams above .500? FSU beat 4, soon to be 5
Baylor will play 4, TCU 5, Ohio State 6, etc. There is no real advantage here.

Beating a team that scheduled a bowl (NCSU) is not quality. I mean 4 gimmes, Cuse, Wake, and .500 UNC? The win over UNC is the only thing that is better than a participation award and UNC suffered 4 other losses by 3 or more possessions.

Beating one or two more 6 and 7 win teams who play in weak divisions and get 4 noncons isn't some claim to greatness.

Bowl eligible P5 teams are quality no matter how much you want to discredit them. But you may as well discredit Texas and throw them out, right, since they're 6-6? Except, that Texas win is the reason tcu jumped FSU. So which is it? Have to throw out wvu too since they're just a 7 win team.

Let's just ignore bowl eligible P5 teams and look at P5 opponents in total. FSU has simply faced more P5 opponents than everybody else in the nation. Two more than tcu, bama and osu. One more than ore. Three more than bay.

(12-05-2014 12:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Bowl eligible P5 teams are quality no matter how much you want to discredit then.

Let's just ignore bowl ofeligible P5 teams, FSU has simply faced more P5 opponents than everybody else in the nation. Two more than tcu, bama and osu. One more than ore. Three more than bay.

Beating a team who has proven nothing proves nothing.

My own school went 7-6 in 2010 but I wouldn't call it a quality win to beat them. They beat an FCS team, Rice, UB, KU, CU, 5-7 Texas, and a 6-6 KSU team. Same deal here.

Quality as in it wasn't against some 2-win/fcs type of opponent.

If you'd prefer to use something like f/+, then go ahead. FSU has 8 top 40 teams on its schedule.

Tcu has 4. Bay has 4. Osu has 4. Ore has 6. Bama has 8.

(12-05-2014 12:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  But you may as well discredit Texas and throw them out, right, since they're 6-6? Except, that Texas win is the reason tcu jumped FSU.

1- My metric did throw 6-6 out and FSU doesn't stand out as a result.

2- TCU passed them due to combined SOS impact of UT adding to TCU and UF dragging FSU down as well as how dominant each team was over the season. It's not just one opponent.

3- Texas went 6-6 against the 15th beat SOS according to Sagarin and their losses were to 5 top 20 teams (3 top 10) and to BYU prior to their elite QB going down which probably goes 10-2 or 11-1 with him. If he's healthy BYU is likely a ranked team. So 6 ranked losses and 6-0 otherwise. Tough to penalize a team for a tough SOS.

They beat a good WV team, dominated OkSt, dominated Tech, and almost beat OU and UCLA. NC State? They played the #64 SOS. Miami? Same record and #30.

It's not the same and the way the top teams beat them isn't the same.

4- If your argument depends on "we beat more 6-6 teams!" it isn't a good argument.

(12-05-2014 01:16 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Quality as in it wasn't against some 2-win/fcs type of opponent.

If you'd prefer to use something like f/+, then go ahead. FSU has 8 top 40 teams on its schedule.

Tcu has 4. Bay has 4. Osu has 4. Ore has 6. Bama has 8.

1- Two-win FCS type opponent gives BU at least 7 "quality" wins.

2- Five of the 8 FSU opponents on f+ top 40 are outside the top 20. Congrats on playing down to slightly above average competition all year.

Not one dominant win and significant struggles against the decent teams.

Haha. Twice as many quality opponents... Tcu has played just one top 40 team in the last two months. Must be nice to play nobody and then not even have to play a cg.

(12-05-2014 01:29 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Haha. Twice as many quality opponents... Tcu has played just one top 40 team in the last two months. Must be nice to play nobody and then not even have to play a cg.

TCU also played 2 elite teams prior to that and those outrank any FSU opponent. TCU also blew out KSU, something Fsu can't do to anyone decent.

Fact is FSU played a bunch of average teams and barely won. Sagarin doesn't have ONE opponent in the top 20. Even with no decent noncon games Bu plays 3 along with #28 and #38.

Arguments built on playing 7-5 or 6-6 teams don't mean as much at arguments built on beating top teams.

If FSU loses they deserve to fall out of the top 8.

FSU has played a lot of teams that have a pulse, but not any elite ones.

Whatever you say bruh bruh.

(12-05-2014 01:26 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 01:16 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Quality as in it wasn't against some 2-win/fcs type of opponent.

If you'd prefer to use something like f/+, then go ahead. FSU has 8 top 40 teams on its schedule.

Tcu has 4. Bay has 4. Osu has 4. Ore has 6. Bama has 8.

1- Two-win FCS type opponent gives BU at least 7 "quality" wins.

2- Five of the 8 FSU opponents on f+ top 40 are outside the top 20. Congrats on playing down to slightly above average competition all year.

Not one dominant win and significant struggles against the decent teams.

Sagarin SOS:
Oregon 33
FSU 37
TCU 42
OSU 52
Baylor 56

Versus ESPN FPI top 50:
Bama 9-1
FSU 8-0
Oregon 6-1
OSU 5-1
TCU 5-1
Baylor 4-1

Tcu and Baylor both likely losing a top 25 win from Oklahoma...

(12-07-2014 04:05 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Tcu and Baylor both likely losing a top 25 win from Oklahoma...

Except the committee is charged with considering key injuries and OU barely lost without their two best players last night. BU and TCU beating OU with Perine and Knight is a different story.

(12-07-2014 08:09 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:05 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Tcu and Baylor both likely losing a top 25 win from Oklahoma...

Except the committee is charged with considering key injuries and OU barely lost without their two best players last night. BU and TCU beating OU with Perine and Knight is a different story.

So why isn't FSU's victory over Oklahoma St with JW Walsh considered "different"? Ok St played with their 3rd string QB last night and OK was at home.

(12-07-2014 08:09 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:05 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Tcu and Baylor both likely losing a top 25 win from Oklahoma...

Except the committee is charged with considering key injuries and OU barely lost without their two best players last night. BU and TCU beating OU with Perine and Knight is a different story.

Then how about all the injuries that VT has sustained all year long? How about the fact that Ohio State had just lost their starting quarterback? Oh, double standard?

(12-07-2014 08:15 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 08:09 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:05 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Tcu and Baylor both likely losing a top 25 win from Oklahoma...

Except the committee is charged with considering key injuries and OU barely lost without their two best players last night. BU and TCU beating OU with Perine and Knight is a different story.

So why isn't FSU's victory over Oklahoma St with JW Walsh considered "different"? Ok St played with their 3rd string QB last night and OK was at home.

In this thread it was incredibly easy to determine the difference between those who made objective arguments and those who were simply being dopes.

(12-07-2014 08:09 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 04:05 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Tcu and Baylor both likely losing a top 25 win from Oklahoma...

Except the committee is charged with considering key injuries and OU barely lost without their two best players last night. BU and TCU beating OU with Perine and Knight is a different story.

I could be wrong, but I want to say that FSU beat Clemson without Jameis. I want to say that they were playing their 3rd string QB, but I am far from 100% on that. Either way, injuries go both ways.