(12-04-2014 08:32 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 08:17 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Why is it so difficult to not break the law?

Considering a regular person has can unwittingly commit at least three felonies a day along with a score of other misdemeanors, it's really a question of what response you take when the police decide you're a person of interest.

Where does this statistic come from?

Did you just pull it from a hat?

(12-04-2014 08:26 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Fitbud, honest question, how would you arrest garner here given the circumstances? Assuming you had to make the arrest?

I would have informed him that he was under arrest and that he shouldn't resist. If he did, I would have tazzed him.

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(12-03-2014 08:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 05:07 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 04:50 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Well, there was video here. I think we need to see the evidence presented to the Grand Jury. Supposedly there was no damage to the victim's larynx or breathing ability. He suffered from asthma and died of a heart attack. This one is troubling. He was selling cigarettes that had no tax paid on them. I believe a civil suit will be a win in this case.
One thing is sure though, if Mike Brown and this person had not resisted arrest, they would both be alive today.

I don't think the cops tried to kill that man.

Neither do drunk drivers.

apples/oranges.

To indict intent must be proven. I seriously don't think the cop woke up that morning intending to kill the man.

The victim had been arrested 31 times before. That's no reason to die, but he was no angel. Local shop owners called the cops to get him away from their stores as he was selling illegal cigs and more than likely bothering incoming customers or taking away legit sales from the store owners.

As for the chose hold, it is not permissable by the NYPD; however, the choke hold is not illegal. If it's not illegal, you can not indict.

THis was a pretty simple decision, but with Furgeson and Al Shaprton, etc in the mix, nothing is simple with emotions running all over the place. Emotion trumps logic, unfortunately, almost every time.

I'm sad that THIS event has become politicized around here. It should not be.

These cops need to be held accountable. The cops should not be put in a position to arrest a guy for selling cigarettes. But this is New York. There is no way a man should have died due to excessive force applied while attempting to arrest him. I don't care what the race of the man was. I'd feel the same if he was white, asian, or hispanic.

The race mongers want to make it about race when this situation was really about excessive force used by those sworn to 'serve and protect.'

(12-04-2014 08:47 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 08:32 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 08:17 AM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  Why is it so difficult to not break the law?

Considering a regular person has can unwittingly commit at least three felonies a day along with a score of other misdemeanors, it's really a question of what response you take when the police decide you're a person of interest.

Where does this statistic come from?

Did you just pull it from a hat?

I didn't, but the author of the book might have. My point is that law enforcement is tasked to meet of punishment on very minor things. As conservative as I am, if the police ever pull me over rest assured I'm going to to be scared.

(12-03-2014 10:20 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:02 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As many as it takes for the ignorant bastards learn to listen and obey the law and its agents.


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There was really no opportunity for him to obey. The choke hold was applied and natural reaction is to not fall on the ground.

He told them several times that he wasn't going to stop IIRC. He resisted them long before the choke hold was applied, they didn't just waltz up to him and put a choke hold on him for no reason.

(12-04-2014 09:41 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:20 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:02 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As many as it takes for the ignorant bastards learn to listen and obey the law and its agents.


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There was really no opportunity for him to obey. The choke hold was applied and natural reaction is to not fall on the ground.

He told them several times that he wasn't going to stop IIRC. He resisted them long before the choke hold was applied, they didn't just waltz up to him and put a choke hold on him for no reason.

Have to remember the dude had a rap sheet a mile long. He was a big dude too.

(12-04-2014 09:34 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I'm sad that THIS event has become politicized around here. It should not be.

These cops need to be held accountable. The cops should not be put in a position to arrest a guy for selling cigarettes. But this is New York. There is no way a man should have died due to excessive force applied while attempting to arrest him. I don't care what the race of the man was. I'd feel the same if he was white, asian, or hispanic.

The race mongers want to make it about race when this situation was really about excessive force used by those sworn to 'serve and protect.'

Because mistreatment of black people is far more common than mistreatment of white people. Why is that idea so scary to white people?

(12-04-2014 08:15 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:20 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 10:02 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  As many as it takes for the ignorant bastards learn to listen and obey the law and its agents.


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There was really no opportunity for him to obey. The choke hold was applied and natural reaction is to not fall on the ground.

Have you watched the video? He was yelling at the cops to "leave him alone about the illegal cigs he was selling". Now I think NYC has better things to do than enforce this crap on this small scale, however, he was breaking the law. Watch the video. All he has to do is comply with the Police


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He didn't have any cigarettes on him that day. So no, he wasn't breaking the law.

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

Tell me, Al Sharpton, what exactly do we white people have to be threatened by?

(12-04-2014 08:31 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  In the late 1970's into the early 1980's a lot of nightclubs hired Ex police and Ex Servicemen as Bar Bouncers. I've seen White Guys get in fights inside the bars and These Big Bouncers would just put Them into a headlock and carry Them right on through the push bar exit doors head first into the parking lot. Never heard the first complaint about mistreatment. Some Bouncers were Black but That was just the way You dealt with trouble makers in the day.

These people are the same ones that are saying something different could have been done in the Brown situation.

Like I always say, if it's not one thing, it's another. Had the police shot Garner, all the people would be saying that the police could have done things differently. They put him in a freaking choke hold to subdue him and he had an asthma attack. I don't see how this is the fault of the police.

Then we have morons coming around saying that whites are threatened and racist, whatever that means. Just sounds like an excuse to riot.

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

Because it doesn't. What happened in the 1800's in terms of slavery has ZERO effect on what happens in the 21st century.

Except for the race-hustlers who make a fortune pointing out what happened 200 years ago and blaming all the ills of today on it..

(12-04-2014 09:25 AM)VA49er Wrote:  apples/oranges.

To indict intent must be proven. I seriously don't think the cop woke up that morning intending to kill the man.

The victim had been arrested 31 times before. That's no reason to die, but he was no angel. Local shop owners called the cops to get him away from their stores as he was selling illegal cigs and more than likely bothering incoming customers or taking away legit sales from the store owners.

As for the chose hold, it is not permissable by the NYPD; however, the choke hold is not illegal. If it's not illegal, you can not indict.

THis was a pretty simple decision, but with Furgeson and Al Shaprton, etc in the mix, nothing is simple with emotions running all over the place. Emotion trumps logic, unfortunately, almost every time.

You're not helping the cause by making statements like that. He is supposed to be innocent and a victim of racism and scared white police. Please refrain from facts. Thanks

(12-04-2014 06:08 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Murder.... No . Bad mistake from the Officer to put a choke hold and not let up when He said He couldn't breathe ...... You bet ! Should have been held liable in contributing to cause of His Death just as if a Civilian whom punched another person whom later Died would have been charged. If He had released the Choke hold and the Guy continued to fight then more pressure could have been applied. But I'm not a Lawyer nor a Policeman.

That's just it.. was the lack of breathing from the choke hold? That's the part I'm not sure of. I thought the indictment didn't happen, because the ME said the chokehold was not the cause of death?

(12-04-2014 09:56 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

Tell me, Al Sharpton, what exactly do we white people have to be threatened by?

I have no idea. That is what confuses me about why white people are so resistant to the idea that racism is still a big problem today. Because any sane individual that is educated on the issue would readily admit it is.

(12-04-2014 09:51 AM)Overrated Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:34 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I'm sad that THIS event has become politicized around here. It should not be.

These cops need to be held accountable. The cops should not be put in a position to arrest a guy for selling cigarettes. But this is New York. There is no way a man should have died due to excessive force applied while attempting to arrest him. I don't care what the race of the man was. I'd feel the same if he was white, asian, or hispanic.

The race mongers want to make it about race when this situation was really about excessive force used by those sworn to 'serve and protect.'

Because mistreatment of black people is far more common than mistreatment of white people. Why is that idea so scary to white people?

Not since 60 years ago. Welcome to reality. Time to pop that bubble you live in.

(12-04-2014 10:04 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

Because it doesn't. What happened in the 1800's in terms of slavery has ZERO effect on what happens in the 21st century.

Except for the race-hustlers who make a fortune pointing out what happened 200 years ago and blaming all the ills of today on it..

You think racism stopped when slavery stopped?

(12-04-2014 10:08 AM)Overrated Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:56 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

Tell me, Al Sharpton, what exactly do we white people have to be threatened by?

I have no idea. That is what confuses me about why white people are so resistant to the idea that racism is still a big problem today. Because any sane individual that is educated on the issue would readily admit it is.

How does it feel to be a racist?

(12-04-2014 10:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:51 AM)Overrated Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:34 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  I'm sad that THIS event has become politicized around here. It should not be.

These cops need to be held accountable. The cops should not be put in a position to arrest a guy for selling cigarettes. But this is New York. There is no way a man should have died due to excessive force applied while attempting to arrest him. I don't care what the race of the man was. I'd feel the same if he was white, asian, or hispanic.

The race mongers want to make it about race when this situation was really about excessive force used by those sworn to 'serve and protect.'

Because mistreatment of black people is far more common than mistreatment of white people. Why is that idea so scary to white people?

Not since 60 years ago. Welcome to reality. Time to pop that bubble you live in.

Explain how drug usage is the same across racial lines but blacks are 10 times more likely to be arrested for nonviolent drug crimes.

To suggest the America we currently live in is somehow not racist is to be so blind and ignorant. I feel badly for you.

(12-04-2014 10:09 AM)Overrated Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 10:04 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 01:06 AM)Overrated Wrote:  Also not sure why anyone could be upset with something so blatantly true as de Blasio mentioning centuries of racism. Why do white people feel so threatened about something that is so clearly true? And how in the world do they not think this affects our country today?

Because it doesn't. What happened in the 1800's in terms of slavery has ZERO effect on what happens in the 21st century.

Except for the race-hustlers who make a fortune pointing out what happened 200 years ago and blaming all the ills of today on it..

You think racism stopped when slavery stopped?

Just obey the law, it's that simple. Any sane person with common sense understands that. If you have such a problem with black people dying, go pour your heart out in Chicago and similar areas. If you only wait for a white on black crime before you talk, you're the true definition of a racist. Whitey gets mistreated all the time by police when they disobey the law, color doesn't matter.