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Why did we not recruit more shooters...
Our lack of a PG gets a lot of attention, as it should. We should've had something in place for when Joe left (hindsight tells us a fat kedren wasn't the answer) but...

Why did we not recruit more shooters? And don't tell me "they don't grow on trees". Seems like every team has a couple...granted they might not be highly ranked (or ranked at all) out of high school...but they can shoot the cover off the ball. Go pull up the best shooters in college basketball...guys who shoot 4-8 a game and average 42% or higher. They're a bunch of no names. They'd jump at the chance to play major D1 ball. I'm not saying take 3 of em. But why not 1 or 2. They don't even have to play major minutes. But if we had 2 guys hitting 3/7 three-pointers per game - that's 18 points on average & good enough for each to be our 3rd highest scorer this year. How many minutes would they have to play? 15? Kedren got 11 last night...

Why don't we have anyone outside of Avery who can shoot. If our entire "identity" this season was going to involve throwing it into the post we needed to spread the floor for Austin and Shaq and Nick and Kuran.

Often times, the trade off with "pure shooters" is they can be a liability on D...well A) we play more zone and B) our players who can't shoot are a liability on D
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Our so called "shooter" bricked a free throw and fouls out of nearly every game
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I remember being told I just didn't understand and pretty much I was an idiot to "not get" his "juco" strategy.
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(12-03-2014 09:31 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I remember being told I just didn't understand and pretty much I was an idiot to "not get" his "juco" strategy.

You go juco when you can't get anyone else. I'm sure Cunningham will save the season


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RE: Why did we not recruit more shooters...
The word is out on Pastner that he can't develop players. Coaches are using that against him big time on the recruiting trail. Tarik Black making an NBA squad was the final nail in the coffin.
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(12-03-2014 09:39 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  The word is out on Pastner that he can't develop players. Coaches are using that against him big time on the recruiting trail. Tarik Black making an NBA squad was the final nail in the coffin.

Wow that's depressing. To know that other coaches KNOW what to tell other players about CJP. I can hear it now.

"His offense hasn't run a set play in six year."
12-03-2014 09:43 AM
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(12-03-2014 09:39 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  The word is out on Pastner that he can't develop players. Coaches are using that against him big time on the recruiting trail. Tarik Black making an NBA squad was the final nail in the coffin.

What does that have to do with recruiting shooters w/o any major offers? They aren't developing players at Quinnipac.

Your statement is true and it's why i posted a thread months ago talking about the trend that is starting in Tiger recruiting (re: major prospects).

But this is about kids who can flat out shoot with offers from no-name schools. Josh's development of players wouldn't play a role there...
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(12-03-2014 09:43 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:39 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  The word is out on Pastner that he can't develop players. Coaches are using that against him big time on the recruiting trail. Tarik Black making an NBA squad was the final nail in the coffin.

What does that have to do with recruiting shooters w/o any major offers? They aren't developing players at Quinnipac.

Your statement is true and it's why i posted a thread months ago talking about the trend that is starting in Tiger recruiting (re: major prospects).

But this is about kids who can flat out shoot with offers from no-name schools. Josh's development of players wouldn't play a role there...

Two separate issues. I was commenting on why all the JUCOs in the most recent class. To find shooters requires the ability to evaluate talent, which JP is sorely lacking.

It's completely disheartening how quickly this thing is falling apart.
12-03-2014 09:51 AM
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(12-03-2014 09:51 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:43 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 09:39 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  The word is out on Pastner that he can't develop players. Coaches are using that against him big time on the recruiting trail. Tarik Black making an NBA squad was the final nail in the coffin.

What does that have to do with recruiting shooters w/o any major offers? They aren't developing players at Quinnipac.

Your statement is true and it's why i posted a thread months ago talking about the trend that is starting in Tiger recruiting (re: major prospects).

But this is about kids who can flat out shoot with offers from no-name schools. Josh's development of players wouldn't play a role there...

Two separate issues. I was commenting on why all the JUCOs in the most recent class. To find shooters requires the ability to evaluate talent, which JP is sorely lacking.

It's completely disheartening how quickly this thing is falling apart.

Agreed.

The last highly ranked kid Josh signed outside of the city of Memphis was Kuran - 2 years ago. He's missed out on the top talent in the city the last 2 years. I don't give him any credit for the Lawsons...they're coming b/c of their dad not Josh. And we have boosters to thank for daddy.
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(12-03-2014 09:30 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Our lack of a PG gets a lot of attention, as it should. We should've had something in place for when Joe left (hindsight tells us a fat kedren wasn't the answer) but...

Why did we not recruit more shooters? And don't tell me "they don't grow on trees". Seems like every team has a couple...granted they might not be highly ranked (or ranked at all) out of high school...but they can shoot the cover off the ball. Go pull up the best shooters in college basketball...guys who shoot 4-8 a game and average 42% or higher. They're a bunch of no names. They'd jump at the chance to play major D1 ball. I'm not saying take 3 of em. But why not 1 or 2. They don't even have to play major minutes. But if we had 2 guys hitting 3/7 three-pointers per game - that's 18 points on average & good enough for each to be our 3rd highest scorer this year. How many minutes would they have to play? 15? Kedren got 11 last night...

Why don't we have anyone outside of Avery who can shoot. If our entire "identity" this season was going to involve throwing it into the post we needed to spread the floor for Austin and Shaq and Nick and Kuran.

Often times, the trade off with "pure shooters" is they can be a liability on D...well A) we play more zone and B) our players who can't shoot are a liability on D


Good points all but without a PG who can setup the shooter you want through dribble penetration, skip passes, inside/outside, etc, NOTHING will work. We can't even get the ball to the posted bigs at the right time or place. And just like there are lots of guys going wanting who can shoot, there also PGs who know the game, can take care of the ball & make others around him better - and all that without being a great scorer. And they too go wanting.

JP has recruited all of these guys. It appears he has recruited each without relationship to the other commits. The pieces don't fit. While each might be good with the right team mix, this mix is absent a PG, a shooter, a fearless rebounder & a lockdown defender - and none of this group appear to have the tools to meet any of those needs.
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RE: Why did we not recruit more shooters...
In addition to shooters, there are lots of players we've been in on that are killing it elsewhere right now. There might be a few threads floating around on the topic. If they don't get closed for some reason.
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(12-03-2014 09:51 AM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  It's completely disheartening how quickly this thing is falling apart.

What's even more disheartening is thinking about how far the past 2 years' teams could have possibly gone if they had proper coaching.

As someone else said, Tarik Black made it to the NBA - what could JJ, CC, or multiple others have done in their college careers? It's depressing.
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(12-03-2014 09:31 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  I remember being told I just didn't understand and pretty much I was an idiot to "not get" his "juco" strategy.

I think Pastner got spooked when he missed on some high school guys and just started throwing out offers. I recall Parrish saying he didn't understand why those guys were getting offers. He called other coaches about those players and they, too, were scratching their head about the offers.
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we gots the Pook
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(12-03-2014 11:11 AM)tigerblu Wrote:  we gots the Pook

The Pookster!
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RE: Why did we not recruit more shooters...
Better yet, why did we not have a freshman, sophomore or a junior guard getting valuable minutes last year in preparation for the future? Who made this decision?
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(12-03-2014 11:11 AM)tigerblu Wrote:  we gots the Pook

You mean, we are getting poked.
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I don't really care if they rely on JUCOs or not - never have, never will.

The issue is really this - our staff's scouting deduced that these were the best the JUCO ranks had to offer? Aside from Burrell (who was consensus top 10 ranked), that is terrifying to think that the staff's evaluation abilities are this off.
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(12-03-2014 01:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I don't really care if they rely on JUCOs or not - never have, never will.

The issue is really this - our staff's scouting deduced that these were the best the JUCO ranks had to offer? Aside from Burrell (who was consensus top 10 ranked), that is terrifying to think that the staff's evaluation abilities are this off.

Some people see what they want to see because they may not have any other viable options.

How much time and effort did we commit to highly ranked players we did not get? We should recruit the best, however, we should have better options when we do not.
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(12-03-2014 01:24 PM)SNF6 Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 01:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  I don't really care if they rely on JUCOs or not - never have, never will.

The issue is really this - our staff's scouting deduced that these were the best the JUCO ranks had to offer? Aside from Burrell (who was consensus top 10 ranked), that is terrifying to think that the staff's evaluation abilities are this off.

Some people see what they want to see because they may not have any other viable options.

How much time and effort did we commit to highly ranked players we did not get? We should recruit the best, however, we should have better options when we do not.

We put all of our eggs in the Cliff Alexander basket...
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