Any school tied to their large state school could have problems. I highly doubt this sets a precident. There wasn't one after Pacific shut down.

Arkansas hates stAte. Are y'all tied to the same BoT?

What about Louisiana schools? I could see all the FCS teams but McNeese having problems. UL: is investing way too much to be worried, I think.

New Mexico hates NMSU and heard about political issues over there.

TXST is in a seperate school system then Texas, A&M, and Tech. WE are the largest school in the system that also includes SHSU and Lamar. I don't see us having any issues.

I'm not familiar with anyone in our conference that is in the same position as UAB.

IMO, we should be worried about the college bubble that could really kill some programs.

(12-02-2014 12:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  Any school tied to their large state school could have problems. I highly doubt this sets a precident. There wasn't one after Pacific shut down.

Arkansas hates stAte. Are y'all tied to the same BoT?

What about Louisiana schools? I could see all the FCS teams but McNeese having problems.

New Mexico hates NMSU and heard about political issues over there.

TXST is in a seperate school system then Texas, A&M, and Tech. WE are the largest school in the system that also includes SHSU and Lamar. I don't see us having any issues.

Arkansas State is an independent system....we have our own UAB's that we treat better than UAB.

We have our own BOT and a level of independence in the state Constitution.

UAB's situation is incredibly unique. Not to say other programs couldn't fold, but it wouldn't be for the same reasons UAB did.

In the 50's and 60's UA attempted to prevent us from gaining university status.

They ultimately failed.

We have considerably more standing now than we did then.

(12-02-2014 12:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  Any school tied to their large state school could have problems. I highly doubt this sets a precident. There wasn't one after Pacific shut down.

Arkansas hates stAte. Are y'all tied to the same BoT?

What about Louisiana schools? I could see all the FCS teams but McNeese having problems. UL: is investing way too much to be worried, I think.

New Mexico hates NMSU and heard about political issues over there.

TXST is in a seperate school system then Texas, A&M, and Tech. WE are the largest school in the system that also includes SHSU and Lamar. I don't see us having any issues.

Thank God No. UALR is tied to UAF though.

Arkansas has tried on numerous occasion to get the legislature to shut us down. They believe that we hamper their ability to recruit and win games. The last attempt was in the 80's.

We'll always have archaic funding laws that will keep our Athletic Budget about 10 million dollars less than it really is, and they'll likely always buy off or threaten media members who cover us, but they wont be able to actually shut down our program.

Now you can forget UALR football ever happening. There is a rumor that UALR signed a 99 year promise that it would never start football when Arkansas agreed to incorporate them into its system.

(12-02-2014 12:03 PM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  I'm not familiar with anyone in our conference that is in the same position as UAB.

IMO, we should be worried about the college bubble that could really kill some programs.

I agree. I think the real issues will be "full cost of tutition" or whatever they are calling it and if the P5 split away.

UAB is in a unique situation. Political crooks in other states don't act so maliciously in public view. I don't think the decision will have too great of an influence at other schools.

Troy and USA arnt going anywhere. Both have sound programs.

(12-02-2014 12:09 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  UAB is in a unique situation. Political crooks in other states don't act so maliciously in public view. I don't think the decision will have too great of an influence at other schools.

Arkansas is probably the closest to Alabama in terms of a one team dominance politically. Biggest difference between ASU and UAB though is we're independent according to the state constitution, so we cant be touched. That doesn't mean there aren't a lot of crooked dirty politicians who wont repeatedly try.

I would only see it as a precedent if for instance in the future P5 revenue is threatened and they start looking at shooting at G5 programs in state. To one degree or another depending on the state boards and their bylaws, yeah they could come after us. But I doubt it. Most states realize that a robust university and college system is better than one dominated by one or two universities academically.Its just not good for your economy to operate like the UA BOT.

(12-02-2014 12:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  Any school tied to their large state school could have problems. I highly doubt this sets a precident. There wasn't one after Pacific shut down.

Arkansas hates stAte. Are y'all tied to the same BoT?

What about Louisiana schools? I could see all the FCS teams but McNeese having problems. UL: is investing way too much to be worried, I think.

New Mexico hates NMSU and heard about political issues over there.

TXST is in a seperate school system then Texas, A&M, and Tech. WE are the largest school in the system that also includes SHSU and Lamar. I don't see us having any issues.

Next up...Hawai'i.

(12-02-2014 12:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 12:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  Any school tied to their large state school could have problems. I highly doubt this sets a precident. There wasn't one after Pacific shut down.

Arkansas hates stAte. Are y'all tied to the same BoT?

What about Louisiana schools? I could see all the FCS teams but McNeese having problems. UL: is investing way too much to be worried, I think.

New Mexico hates NMSU and heard about political issues over there.

TXST is in a seperate school system then Texas, A&M, and Tech. WE are the largest school in the system that also includes SHSU and Lamar. I don't see us having any issues.

Next up...Hawai'i.

I would be shocked. But the travel expenses have to be huge.

(12-02-2014 12:15 PM)panama Wrote:  I would only see it as a precedent if for instance in the future P5 revenue is threatened and they start looking at shooting at G5 programs in state. To one degree or another depending on the state boards and their bylaws, yeah they could come after us. But I doubt it. Most states realize that a robust university and college system is better than one dominated by one or two universities academically.Its just not good for your economy to operate like the UA BOT.

This, while our BOR is heavily Tech and uga protective academically they have never really messed with throwing up road blocks for athletics. Not much they can do I don't think.

UAB should not be under control of UA in any way. That is just asinine and corrupt. GaState or GaSouth probably would not even be allowed to have a competitive chess club if we under the control of Tech or UGA. I was neutral on UA until I learned about what they have done to undermine UAB.

(12-02-2014 12:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  New Mexico hates NMSU and heard about political issues over there.

Well, the athletic rivalry is very intense, but at the grown up level, probably not so much.
Supposedly, when the WAC collapsed, UNM lobbied the Mountain West to take in NMSU.

UTEP has voted against NMSU conference affiliation, but I think both UNM and UTEP want NMSU
to continue FBS football because it's probably the one game each has that's more or less guaranteed to sell tickets.

Obviously it's been a long struggle for NMSU football, and the environment for all brick and mortar universities is one of tight budgets and uncertainty, but I'm expecting Aggie football to continue and to improve.

Thankfully the majority of us have our own board or have the political clout in the state to get things done.

Arkansas State has its own five member board of trustees, all five are alums, and two were lettermen at AState. :)

With eight campuses (nine come July 1) we have a reasonable amount of politcal clout on our own. Enough that the state didn't see anything when we announced our plan to open the medical school in partnership with NY Tech.

Hawaii obviously could face problems.

Idaho's geographic situation is an issue and if the Sun Belt pulls the membership that is a tough situation.

In the big picture there are some red flags that ought to concern people about more than just them.

1. Enrollment nationally is expected to be flat or decline the next decade. Fewer students equals lost fee income.
2. State legislatures and governors no longer fear backlash from cutting higher ed funding, in fact it seems the electoral deems that to be a good thing. Fewer state dollars equals greater reliance on tuition and diverting auxillary earnings to support the academic side rather than athletics.
3. The easy access of student loan money has made students and parents less price sensitive. Default rates are climbing and new grads are so debt burdened they aren't leaving school and buying cars or houses, they are moving home to meet debt obligations. If defaults continue to rise, then you are looking at a clamp down restricting eligibility and the number of available dollars. This could depress college revenues even more.

With those factors, it is entirely likely that the coming crunch is going to knock some schools out.

ULM?

(12-02-2014 12:47 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 12:00 PM)slycat Wrote:  Any school tied to their large state school could have problems. I highly doubt this sets a precident. There wasn't one after Pacific shut down.

Arkansas hates stAte. Are y'all tied to the same BoT?

What about Louisiana schools? I could see all the FCS teams but McNeese having problems. UL: is investing way too much to be worried, I think.

New Mexico hates NMSU and heard about political issues over there.

TXST is in a seperate school system then Texas, A&M, and Tech. WE are the largest school in the system that also includes SHSU and Lamar. I don't see us having any issues.

Next up...Hawai'i.

Yeah, I thought Hawaii would be next...and I'd like to see them drop football.. to free up BSU to the West and only add 1 other team (NMSU).
But from a MW press conference a couple days ago, our commissioner said that Hawaii wasn't going to do any such thing. Maybe in a couple of years....but as of now, they are full on for football.

If anything, I can see Idaho dropping down to FCS.