Tom in Lazybrook
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
Very real possibility some of the UAB staff comes on board at Troy. A couple of their staff members are old Troy guys.
Bring some of their top recruits with them.
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12-02-2014 02:47 PM |
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InjunJohn
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
(12-02-2014 02:13 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: ULM?
ULM belongs to the ULS system that includes ULL, Tech, SE Louisiana, Grambling, McNeese, UNO, Northwestern St, and Nicholls. While contracts and improvements go through them, there isn't that level of control/corruption that exists in the UAB situation. That board has something like 13 of the 15 members that graduated from Bama, are big boosters of Bama, and they approve their new board members with little to no oversight. So Bama supporters are replaced by Bama supporters and everything is geared towards Bama.
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
(12-03-2014 08:20 AM)InjunJohn Wrote: (12-02-2014 02:13 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: ULM?
ULM belongs to the ULS system that includes ULL, Tech, SE Louisiana, Grambling, McNeese, UNO, Northwestern St, and Nicholls. While contracts and improvements go through them, there isn't that level of control/corruption that exists in the UAB situation. That board has something like 13 of the 15 members that graduated from Bama, are big boosters of Bama, and they approve their new board members with little to no oversight. So Bama supporters are replaced by Bama supporters and everything is geared towards Bama.
some of this reminds me of when football was dropped at uta. at that time the board of regents admitted that not one of them had ever been to the uta campus. not hard to see why there was no love for the school. football was dropped, a top 25 swim team was eliminated and we had a pretty good men's soccer club team until soccer became a scholarship sport at all the other schools. ours just disbanded. several times over the years influential supporters have suggested leaving the ut system so we could do our own thing but the system has provided for many hundreds of millions of campus facilities that would be hard to come by otherwise. we have just always had to stretch every sports dollar pretty thin
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
(12-02-2014 12:15 PM)panama Wrote: I would only see it as a precedent if for instance in the future P5 revenue is threatened and they start looking at shooting at G5 programs in state. To one degree or another depending on the state boards and their bylaws, yeah they could come after us. But I doubt it. Most states realize that a robust university and college system is better than one dominated by one or two universities academically.Its just not good for your economy to operate like the UA BOT.
Just wanted to say, nice Trogdor/UAB sig ... brilliant.
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12-03-2014 09:15 AM |
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arkstfan
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
If the day comes when ULM drops football or to FCS it won't be because of the UL System.
It will be for the same reason anyone not in the Bama system drops.
1. Enrollment drops.
2. State higher ed funding is cut.
3. Ticket sales and donations cannot cover the gap.
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12-03-2014 09:36 AM |
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
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12-03-2014 10:30 AM |
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
I think it is probably unlikely, especially for App or Charlotte.
In North Carolina, all public universities are a part of the same system. NCSU, ECU, App State, etc are all a part of the same system as UNC-Chapel Hill, UNC Charlotte, UNC Greensboro, UNC Asheville, etc. We do not have multiple public university systems.
There is an overarching board of governors, but every campus has its own Board of Trustees. UNC has the most representation on the BoG and I'd say it is certainly slanted in favor of UNC for funding purposes, but other schools have representation as well. UNC would have to somehow convince other schools to gang up on another institution in order to pull off anything like what happened to UAB. As other schools in the state grow larger and more important, I see their influence being diminished and representation on the BoG being more evenly distributed.
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12-03-2014 02:48 PM |
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SOT1977
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
(12-03-2014 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote: If the day comes when ULM drops football or to FCS it won't be because of the UL System.
It will be for the same reason anyone not in the Bama system drops.
1. Enrollment drops.
2. State higher ed funding is cut.
3. Ticket sales and donations cannot cover the gap.
Currently enrollment has been increasing. Not by leaps and bounds but we're getting more students. Hope the trend continues.
If there are any state funding cuts, it will be applied to all the schools in the UL system. We're all hurting.
Outside of Army, ULM operates at a smaller deficit than any other FBS school in the country that operates at a deficit....and there are many out there. ULL and LaTech each are twice as much in the hole compared to ULM each year. Yes, our budget is the smallest in the FBS but we make it go a long way and other programs have been looking to see how we do it.
I can tell you that if ULM cuts or moves down a level in football it'll just be part of a cascade that will be affecting 40+ FBS schools at the same time. UAB might be only the first leak spotted in the dam. It's very possible a number of other schools would cave before ULM would.
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12-03-2014 11:29 PM |
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arkstfan
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
(12-03-2014 11:29 PM)SOT1977 Wrote: (12-03-2014 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote: If the day comes when ULM drops football or to FCS it won't be because of the UL System.
It will be for the same reason anyone not in the Bama system drops.
1. Enrollment drops.
2. State higher ed funding is cut.
3. Ticket sales and donations cannot cover the gap.
Currently enrollment has been increasing. Not by leaps and bounds but we're getting more students. Hope the trend continues.
If there are any state funding cuts, it will be applied to all the schools in the UL system. We're all hurting.
Outside of Army, ULM operates at a smaller deficit than any other FBS school in the country that operates at a deficit....and there are many out there. ULL and LaTech each are twice as much in the hole compared to ULM each year. Yes, our budget is the smallest in the FBS but we make it go a long way and other programs have been looking to see how we do it.
I can tell you that if ULM cuts or moves down a level in football it'll just be part of a cascade that will be affecting 40+ FBS schools at the same time. UAB might be only the first leak spotted in the dam. It's very possible a number of other schools would cave before ULM would.
That was my point.
Post WWII there have been three periods where a number of schools dropped football or dropped athletics at various levels.
Early 50's when schools ran out of GI Bill students.
Early 70's when enrollment dropped after the change in draft rules and the baby boomers moved past college age.
90's in California when the property tax reform slashed funding for higher ed.
In the first two cases, a number of colleges went broke and closed their doors. UALR, UAPB, and UAM all went into the UArk system over two years in the 70's because they were all going broke at the same time.
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12-04-2014 12:01 AM |
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
(12-04-2014 12:01 AM)arkstfan Wrote: (12-03-2014 11:29 PM)SOT1977 Wrote: (12-03-2014 09:36 AM)arkstfan Wrote: If the day comes when ULM drops football or to FCS it won't be because of the UL System.
It will be for the same reason anyone not in the Bama system drops.
1. Enrollment drops.
2. State higher ed funding is cut.
3. Ticket sales and donations cannot cover the gap.
Currently enrollment has been increasing. Not by leaps and bounds but we're getting more students. Hope the trend continues.
If there are any state funding cuts, it will be applied to all the schools in the UL system. We're all hurting.
Outside of Army, ULM operates at a smaller deficit than any other FBS school in the country that operates at a deficit....and there are many out there. ULL and LaTech each are twice as much in the hole compared to ULM each year. Yes, our budget is the smallest in the FBS but we make it go a long way and other programs have been looking to see how we do it.
I can tell you that if ULM cuts or moves down a level in football it'll just be part of a cascade that will be affecting 40+ FBS schools at the same time. UAB might be only the first leak spotted in the dam. It's very possible a number of other schools would cave before ULM would.
That was my point.
Post WWII there have been three periods where a number of schools dropped football or dropped athletics at various levels.
Early 50's when schools ran out of GI Bill students.
Early 70's when enrollment dropped after the change in draft rules and the baby boomers moved past college age.
90's in California when the property tax reform slashed funding for higher ed.
In the first two cases, a number of colleges went broke and closed their doors. UALR, UAPB, and UAM all went into the UArk system over two years in the 70's because they were all going broke at the same time.
In addition to government funding cuts now...we have online degrees. Not just for profit diploma mills....but major universities handing out degrees all done online that are indistinguishable from those earned on campus.
Why travel and get a degree at Southern Arkansas or UAM when you can just sit in mom's house and get a degree from the University of Arkansas.
That trend could wipe out some schools.
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
Well i am glad Troy and USA are self governing and doesnt have another college they have to answer to. I just wonder really how much UA was involved? I heard today they people believe that the President of UAB was brought in for this specific reason. Dont know how much truth there is to that but I am very happy we have a Chancellor and BOE that stand behind the athletic program.
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RE: Could any of us be the next UAB?
(12-03-2014 02:48 PM)Niner National Wrote: I think it is probably unlikely, especially for App or Charlotte.
In North Carolina, all public universities are a part of the same system. NCSU, ECU, App State, etc are all a part of the same system as UNC-Chapel Hill, UNC Charlotte, UNC Greensboro, UNC Asheville, etc. We do not have multiple public university systems.
There is an overarching board of governors, but every campus has its own Board of Trustees. UNC has the most representation on the BoG and I'd say it is certainly slanted in favor of UNC for funding purposes, but other schools have representation as well. UNC would have to somehow convince other schools to gang up on another institution in order to pull off anything like what happened to UAB. As other schools in the state grow larger and more important, I see their influence being diminished and representation on the BoG being more evenly distributed.
Recently, the only thing UNC CHeat has been able to do is convince the other 15 schools to gang up on UNC CHeat.
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