(12-01-2014 03:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think FSU is really a ACC perception thing. FSU has played some of the more mediocre teams in the ACC to extremely close games- with a lot of those being home games.
Notre Dame 7-5 they won by 4
Virginia 5-7 they won by 14
Miami 6-6 they won by 4
BC 7-5 they won by 3

that's 2 of the 3 bottom teams in the coastal division and then a middlin Atlantic division team. Last 6 games, they've won by a total of 41 points. I think if anything, FSU is hurting the ACC in that they aren't winning by much larger margins. You say wait, that'll make it seem like it's much more of a top heavy conference. I disagree. Your top dog should beat the lower level teams in your league by more than 14 points. I think if FSU was winning by 30 or 40 points these games, the ACC would be looked at a whole lot more positively.

I found it ironic, when teams run up the score they get blasted. Now when teams don't win be enough, they get blasted.

I do think teams that go undefeated have accomplished something very difficult to do. Marshall probably had the easiest path to an undefeated season and failed. FSU is a top four team and the only undefeated P5 team. Guess what, if FSU wins the next three games by 3pts or less, there the #1 team. Personally, I do think Bama is the best team in the country but that is what the four team play off is all about. I would love to see FSU take down Bama for a second straight title.

Is the ACC at SEC level yet no, but I think the future is looking bright with Clemson, Louisville, and Georgia Tech. If Deshaun Walker can play for Clemson next year, that should be a top 10 team. Duke is poised for a 2nd ten win season. NCSU went from 3-9 to 7-5. UNC & Miami like NCSU is very young. The only team that I see going in the wrong direction is VT, which is very baffling. ACC is building of a good year last year and could have another good football year this year. The ACC played the SEC well this year but it must do so for the next 5 years before anyone starts talking about getting "considered" to be at that level.

Totally agree with you about FSU if they can win the next 3 games.

I think this weekend is going to be really interesting. FSU playing their 6th week in a row- with pretty much the other 5 games all being extremely close with the exception maybe of a few minutes in the Virginia game. Ga Tech had a bye 2 weeks ago so I think they'll be a lot fresher in this game. There is a part of me that thinks if you are going to beat FSU, it would be in this game. FSU getting 26 days of rest would help them out a LOT.

(12-01-2014 03:35 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:01 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think if this was 2013 then Florida State would be #1 and headed to the national championship. But since there is a mentality of four teams making the playoffs, then as long as an undefeated FSU is part of that four, then it is okay if they aren't #1.

exactly....rankings are meaningless as long as you have the opportunity to play your way to a championship

I think there's a bit of a difference being #1 and maybe getting a dinged up Ohio St team vs being #3 and having to play a good Oregon team.

(12-01-2014 03:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Personally, I do think Bama is the best team in the country but that is what the four team play off is all about. I would love to see FSU take down Bama for a second straight title.

No doubt, Alabama is the best team in the country, and this is coming from an FSU fan....

Alabama could have easily folded against Auburn last week, but they came out swinging and pulled out the win. They are the most complete team, and Sims is starting to play great....

Meanwhile, Winston has looked worse and worse down the stretch. I think he's worn out. All of the pressure from the media, plus trying to pull your team out of a hole every week is exhausting. I think they'll beat Georgia Tech, but FSU is lucky this is the last game of the regular season....

(12-01-2014 04:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:27 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Personally, I do think Bama is the best team in the country but that is what the four team play off is all about. I would love to see FSU take down Bama for a second straight title.

No doubt, Alabama is the best team in the country, and this is coming from an FSU fan....

Alabama could have easily folded against Auburn last week, but they came out swinging and pulled out the win. They are the most complete team, and Sims is starting to play great....

Meanwhile, Winston has looked worse and worse down the stretch. I think he's worn out. All of the pressure from the media, plus trying to pull your team out of a hole every week is exhausting. I think they'll beat Georgia Tech, but FSU is lucky this is the last game of the regular season....

I think we agree 100%. Like I said a bit ago- think FSU's tired just like you said. Not many teams have a 5 week stretch period like what FSU has gone thru- let alone with the pressure that FSU is under.

(12-01-2014 03:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:35 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:01 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think if this was 2013 then Florida State would be #1 and headed to the national championship. But since there is a mentality of four teams making the playoffs, then as long as an undefeated FSU is part of that four, then it is okay if they aren't #1.

exactly....rankings are meaningless as long as you have the opportunity to play your way to a championship

I think there's a bit of a difference being #1 and maybe getting a dinged up Ohio St team vs being #3 and having to play a good Oregon team.

I don't think Ohio State will beat Wisconsin and/or get the 4th spot....not ahead of Baylor or TCU

Frankly, if I'm an FSU fan, I'd rather play Oregon than TCU....

(12-01-2014 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:40 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:35 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:01 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think if this was 2013 then Florida State would be #1 and headed to the national championship. But since there is a mentality of four teams making the playoffs, then as long as an undefeated FSU is part of that four, then it is okay if they aren't #1.

exactly....rankings are meaningless as long as you have the opportunity to play your way to a championship

I think there's a bit of a difference being #1 and maybe getting a dinged up Ohio St team vs being #3 and having to play a good Oregon team.

I don't think Ohio State will beat Wisconsin and/or get the 4th spot....not ahead of Baylor or TCU

Frankly, if I'm an FSU fan, I'd rather play Oregon than TCU....

I think Ohio St if they beat Wisconsin, they will get the #4 spot.

Do think it gets interesting if Arizona beats Oregon again. Alabama 1 FSU 2. Think the committee gets an out and puts TCU 3 and then Ohio St 4. If Ohio St loses, it gets real interesting between Baylor and Arizona.

It won't matter...Florida State will be 1 and done in the playoffs this year. Their best chance to advance is to get OSU with a 3rd string QB.

(12-01-2014 04:40 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  It won't matter...Florida State will be 1 and done in the playoffs this year. Their best chance to advance is to get OSU with a 3rd string QB.

ACC 3rd string QB's beat SEC.


ACC back up QB's beat SEC

(12-01-2014 01:04 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think FSU is really a ACC perception thing. FSU has played some of the more mediocre teams in the ACC to extremely close games- with a lot of those being home games.
Notre Dame 7-5 they won by 4
Virginia 5-7 they won by 14
Miami 6-6 they won by 4
BC 7-5 they won by 3

that's 2 of the 3 bottom teams in the coastal division and then a middlin Atlantic division team. Last 6 games, they've won by a total of 41 points. I think if anything, FSU is hurting the ACC in that they aren't winning by much larger margins. You say wait, that'll make it seem like it's much more of a top heavy conference. I disagree. Your top dog should beat the lower level teams in your league by more than 14 points. I think if FSU was winning by 30 or 40 points these games, the ACC would be looked at a whole lot more positively.

So you're saying last year, when FSU was beating the plss out of everybody, the ACC was perceived significantly better than this year?

Mmm, no.

This is why the CFB playoff needs to expand to eight teams and include automatic bids for the P5 conference champions. College football has got to get away from public opinion polling to determine its champion. That is absolutely the worst thing about the sport.

In college basketball, certain leagues are perceived to be stronger than other leagues. However, it really doesn't have a major impact on how it's champion is determined. In pro football, certain divisions are perceived to be stronger than other divisions. However, it has nothing to do with how it's champion is decided.

By virtue of its sheer membership size, college football will never have as neat and tidy a system as the NFL or the other major professional sports leagues. Also, the college football playoff is never going to be 68 teams, so it cannot be as inclusive as the college basketball tournament. They'd be playing football until February or March. However, they absolutely must make this system more inclusive than is currently the case because four playoff spots and five major conferences is really bad math that simply does not work. And it really doesn't work it one or two leagues begin to scoop up multiple spots each.

This assumes that being the champ of a P5 automatically makes you one of the 5 best teams in the country.

How many times in the past decade has the B1G or ACC champ finished outside the Top 5 or even the Top 10? Quite a few if I remember correctly.

So we know thats not true.

I'm all for an 8 team playoff but I'm also about preserving no AQs so the best teams from any conference in FBS have an equal shot at getting into the playoff.

Remember: it's about the BEST teams, not the "most deserving" teams (whatever that means)

just looking- last 4 years plus now this year....
Only 4 P5 champs would have finished outside the top 10....
2010 Va Tech 13
2011 Clemson 15
2012 Florida St 12
2012 Wisconsin 26(only because Ohio St wasn't eligible)

Only 1 other team- Wisconsin 2011 who finished #10 was outside the top 8- and I would argue in a committee setting they never would have finished as low as 10th.

I think I would also argue that as we're moving into a P5 setting, the top conferences are kind of stabalizing where it's going to be hard to have a P5 champion that will finish 15th or lower.

(12-02-2014 09:27 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  This assumes that being the champ of a P5 automatically makes you one of the 5 best teams in the country.

How many times in the past decade has the B1G or ACC champ finished outside the Top 5 or even the Top 10 [in the polls]? Quite a few if I remember correctly.

So we know thats not true.

I'm all for an 8 team playoff but I'm also about preserving no AQs so the best teams from any conference in FBS have an equal shot at getting into the playoff.

Remember: it's about the BEST teams, not the "most deserving" teams (whatever that means)

Here's the #1 problem I have with wanting to avoid autobids for conference champs - what other objective method is there to determine the best teams? Polls? Are you serious? A committee? hardly any better! ESPN's FPI? Don't insult our intelligence! Conference champs need to always be included because those teams won something on the field. Conference and, worse, division runners up didn't even win their own little group - so why do those teams even need to be included in the playoffs? 3 at-large bids (plus 5 auto-bids) is PLENTY to cover any "fluke" conference champs. Teams which MIGHT be in the top 8 but clearly are not the best team in their own division need not even apply...

just thinking if we had 8 team playoff with autobids for P5 champs
ACC- FSU vs Ga Tech. FSU in probably either way(unless a few upsets in title games). Ga Tech win or go home.
B10- Ohio St vs Wisconsin. Winner in, loser out.
P12- Oregon vs Arizona. Winner in, loser very tenuous.
SEC- Alabama vs Missouri. Alabama in regardless. Missouri win or go home.

think the 8 teams would be
1 FSU
2 Alabama
3 Ohio St/Wisconsin winner
4 Oregon/Arizona winner
5 Baylor/Kansas St winner
6 TCU

after that, if GT beats FSU, they're in. If Missouri beats Alabama they're in. 2 precarious teams at that point would be Miss St and Mich St in that order.

(12-02-2014 02:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  just thinking if we had 8 team playoff with autobids for P5 champs
ACC- FSU vs Ga Tech. FSU in probably either way(unless a few upsets in title games). Ga Tech win or go home.
B10- Ohio St vs Wisconsin. Winner in, loser out.
P12- Oregon vs Arizona. Winner in, loser very tenuous.
SEC- Alabama vs Missouri. Alabama in regardless. Missouri win or go home.

think the 8 teams would be
1 FSU
2 Alabama
3 Ohio St/Wisconsin winner
4 Oregon/Arizona winner
5 Baylor/Kansas St winner
6 TCU

after that, if GT beats FSU, they're in. If Missouri beats Alabama they're in. 2 precarious teams at that point would be Miss St and Mich St in that order.

That scenario would make championship week AWESOME! (and you still get 3 at-large teams: TCU, Miss St and Mich St, or FSU and Alabama if they were upset).

(12-03-2014 06:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 02:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  just thinking if we had 8 team playoff with autobids for P5 champs
ACC- FSU vs Ga Tech. FSU in probably either way(unless a few upsets in title games). Ga Tech win or go home.
B10- Ohio St vs Wisconsin. Winner in, loser out.
P12- Oregon vs Arizona. Winner in, loser very tenuous.
SEC- Alabama vs Missouri. Alabama in regardless. Missouri win or go home.

think the 8 teams would be
1 FSU
2 Alabama
3 Ohio St/Wisconsin winner
4 Oregon/Arizona winner
5 Baylor/Kansas St winner
6 TCU

after that, if GT beats FSU, they're in. If Missouri beats Alabama they're in. 2 precarious teams at that point would be Miss St and Mich St in that order.

That scenario would make championship week AWESOME! (and you still get 3 at-large teams: TCU, Miss St and Mich St, or FSU and Alabama if they were upset).

yeah it would. Depending on what all exactly happened- FSU could get pretty nervous waiting to get in if they lost to see if they were ahead of Mich St/Miss St.