(12-01-2014 07:59 AM)Baldy Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 07:13 AM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  Simple solution - let bowl eligible teams left out of organized bowls play an impromptu December game. There going to be what 6 eligible teams not going to bowls counting the three transitional teams. Ga Southern could invite ODU down for another beating.

Thank you, but two games against Taylor Heinicke are plenty enough.

Agreed.

(12-01-2014 07:13 AM)gsu_paintballer Wrote:  I, for one, would not be disappointed about "missing out" on a 10 AM local time bowl game if we were to become so lucky as to be extended bowl eligibility.

chuckle

(11-30-2014 10:14 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Isn't the New Orleans bowl contractually required to take the SBC champion?

I thought they were required to take the cajuns

The rule doesn't apply because the rule is there to help an FBS school that is a league champion but lacks the required wins. GaSo's problem is not being a FBS school.

(11-30-2014 10:16 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:14 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Isn't the New Orleans bowl contractually required to take the SBC champion?

Yes, but they don't get out much. We told 'em we'd won the conference so they issued the invite. Sorry, but it's a done-deal.

Great reply! Actually, I'm not bothered by missing out on the bowl game this year. For all the talk about memories, do you really think last year's GS seniors sit around thinking about not having been in the playoffs, or do they remember the win at Florida? I think this year's class has a pretty good memory stored up in the form of "We went 7-4 in the SoCon, moved up to FBS, and won our conference the first year." Just my opinion.

(12-01-2014 12:45 PM)jim121256 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:16 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:14 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Isn't the New Orleans bowl contractually required to take the SBC champion?

Yes, but they don't get out much. We told 'em we'd won the conference so they issued the invite. Sorry, but it's a done-deal.

Great reply! Actually, I'm not bothered by missing out on the bowl game this year. For all the talk about memories, do you really think last year's GS seniors sit around thinking about not having been in the playoffs, or do they remember the win at Florida? I think this year's class has a pretty good memory stored up in the form of "We went 7-4 in the SoCon, moved up to FBS, and won our conference the first year." Just my opinion.

Absolutely. You guys had a great season and did something no other team has done if my facts are straight.....won the conference championship the first year after moving up from FCS.

The Cajuns did something similar many years ago in basketball....moved up to Div I and in our first year got an invite to the NCAA playoffs.....and that was back when there were 21 teams in the big dance!

Again, great season, congrats!!!

Found the GaSo board. Someone said need to show the NCAA they will lose money by not taking NCAA.

The NCAA makes nothing off bowls so that part is resolved. The NCAA has no financial stake in the outcome of the decision.

(12-01-2014 12:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The rule doesn't apply because the rule is there to help an FBS school that is a league champion but lacks the required wins. GaSo's problem is not being a FBS school.

That rule is more for 6-6 division champions that lose in the CCG. Like Fresno this year (6-7) after the CCG game against Boise. There have been others like UCLA and Georgia Tech.

If you met the bowl conditions before the CCG, you don't lose the bowl eligibilty for losing the CCG.

(11-30-2014 10:12 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  LET..............IT................GO

(12-01-2014 01:00 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:45 PM)jim121256 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:16 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:14 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Isn't the New Orleans bowl contractually required to take the SBC champion?

Yes, but they don't get out much. We told 'em we'd won the conference so they issued the invite. Sorry, but it's a done-deal.

Great reply! Actually, I'm not bothered by missing out on the bowl game this year. For all the talk about memories, do you really think last year's GS seniors sit around thinking about not having been in the playoffs, or do they remember the win at Florida? I think this year's class has a pretty good memory stored up in the form of "We went 7-4 in the SoCon, moved up to FBS, and won our conference the first year." Just my opinion.

Absolutely. You guys had a great season and did something no other team has done if my facts are straight.....won the conference championship the first year after moving up from FCS.

The Cajuns did something similar many years ago in basketball....moved up to Div I and in our first year got an invite to the NCAA playoffs.....and that was back when there were 21 teams in the big dance!

Again, great season, congrats!!!

Marshall won their conference when they moved up. They did not, however, go undefeated and win the conference. We were the first ones to do that as a move up.

Thanks for the kudos and good luck in the New Orleans Bowl. Do the conference proud!

(12-01-2014 12:45 PM)jim121256 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:16 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:14 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Isn't the New Orleans bowl contractually required to take the SBC champion?

Yes, but they don't get out much. We told 'em we'd won the conference so they issued the invite. Sorry, but it's a done-deal.

Great reply! Actually, I'm not bothered by missing out on the bowl game this year. For all the talk about memories, do you really think last year's GS seniors sit around thinking about not having been in the playoffs, or do they remember the win at Florida? I think this year's class has a pretty good memory stored up in the form of "We went 7-4 in the SoCon, moved up to FBS, and won our conference the first year." Just my opinion.

I guarantee if the Ga Southern seniors had the chance to travel the NO Bowl week, get their Bowl gift bags, participate in the pre bowl events, and play in the game, they would definitely create a memory on par or better than anything they've experienced this season. Add a win on top and it may be just as memroable for them as well as a fan base.

I hope that all student athletes should get that opportunity at least once in their careers, doesn't always work out that way though.

(12-01-2014 02:17 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:45 PM)jim121256 Wrote:  I think this year's class has a pretty good memory stored up in the form of "We went 7-4 in the SoCon, moved up to FBS, and won our conference the first year." Just my opinion.

I guarantee if the Ga Southern seniors had the chance to travel the NO Bowl week, get their Bowl gift bags, participate in the pre bowl events, and play in the game, they would definitely create a memory on par or better than anything they've experienced this season. Add a win on top and it may be just as memroable for them as well as a fan base.

I hope that all student athletes should get that opportunity at least once in their careers, doesn't always work out that way though.

I agree it would make a great year even better (if the win happens). I'm just saying that they've had a pretty good run already. I'd love it for the kids, but these guys have done SO much. They were FCS semifinalists twice, the next year they got the signature win at Florida, and this year, the SBC title. I can't say enough good about them. On the other hand, if this is it, Saturday ends it with a pretty good taste in everyone's mouths... especially with Izzy Youyoute being one of the heroes Saturday night.

I didn't say it before, but good luck to all the SBC brethren in their bowl trips. I'd love to see 4-0. Actually, I'd love 6-0, but I'm not going to be piggy about it.

(12-01-2014 12:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The rule doesn't apply because the rule is there to help an FBS school that is a league champion but lacks the required wins. GaSo's problem is not being a FBS school.

Serious question here. Where in the rule book does it actually state the 2nd year transitional teams are ineligible for bowls? All I can find is the part where a school is ineligible for the FCS championship once they declare FBS and the definition of eligible teams.

20.4.3 Championships Eligibility. A member of Division I that has forwarded to the national office written notice of its intention to change its football membership classification from Championship Subdivision to Bowl Subdivision per Bylaw 20.4.2.1 no longer shall be eligible for participation in the Division I Football Championship.
(Adopted: 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, Revised: 12/15/06)


Eligible Teams
An eligible team is defined as one that has won a number of games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponents that is equal to or greater than the number of its overall losses (e.g., a record of 6-6, or better).

(12-01-2014 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Found the GaSo board. Someone said need to show the NCAA they will lose money by not taking NCAA.

The NCAA makes nothing off bowls so that part is resolved. The NCAA has no financial stake in the outcome of the decision.

Well if you pick and choose one post it is easy to make us look stupid. I believe that was shot down pretty quick. Most posters over there are pretty rational and it's a lot easier to have a conversation when you you don't have twenty people telling you how wrong every statement you make is.

(12-01-2014 04:52 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Found the GaSo board. Someone said need to show the NCAA they will lose money by not taking NCAA.

The NCAA makes nothing off bowls so that part is resolved. The NCAA has no financial stake in the outcome of the decision.

Well if you pick and choose one post it is easy to make us look stupid. I believe that was shot down pretty quick. Most posters over there are pretty rational and it's a lot easier to have a conversation when you you don't have twenty people telling you how wrong every statement you make is.

The other option is to not make wrong statements.

(12-01-2014 04:47 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The rule doesn't apply because the rule is there to help an FBS school that is a league champion but lacks the required wins. GaSo's problem is not being a FBS school.

Serious question here. Where in the rule book does it actually state the 2nd year transitional teams are ineligible for bowls? All I can find is the part where a school is ineligible for the FCS championship once they declare FBS and the definition of eligible teams.

20.4.3 Championships Eligibility. A member of Division I that has forwarded to the national office written notice of its intention to change its football membership classification from Championship Subdivision to Bowl Subdivision per Bylaw 20.4.2.1 no longer shall be eligible for participation in the Division I Football Championship.
(Adopted: 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, Revised: 12/15/06)


Eligible Teams
An eligible team is defined as one that has won a number of games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponents that is equal to or greater than the number of its overall losses (e.g., a record of 6-6, or better).

20.4.2.1.3 Compliance with Criteria. The Administration Cabinet shall monitor the institution’s progress and compliance with the criteria of the reclassification process. The cabinet shall have the authority to deny advancement to the next year of the process if it determines that deficiencies warrant a requirement that the institution repeat the first year. If the member has met all applicable division membership criteria of this article (other than scheduling requirements during the first year of reclassification) and has complied for the two years preceding June 1 with all other bylaw requirements as they pertain to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the Administration Cabinet shall refer the institution’s request for participation in the Football Bowl Subdivision to the Board of Directors for election effective August 1 of the year that the institution selects as its effective date. (Revised: 1/10/90, 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 7/22/13)
20.4.2.1.4 Reclassification Requirements.
20.4.2.1.4.1 First Year. During the first year of reclassification, an institution shall satisfy the following requirements: (Adopted: 1/8/07, Revised: 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08 for those institutions that begin the reclassification process on or after 8/1/08, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Attend an orientation session conducted by the national office staff related to the application of Football Bowl Subdivision membership requirements. Institutional representatives required to attend the orientation session are the chancellor or president (or an individual appointed by the chancellor or president with executive status at the institution), the director of athletics representative and the senior compliance administrator;
(b) Submit an annual report and updated strategic plan by June 1 at the end of the first academic year based on feedback received from the previous year’s report; and
© Report all violations to the Administration Cabinet as part of the required annual report.
20.4.2.1.4.2 Second Year. During the second year of reclassification, an institution shall satisfy the following requirements: (Adopted: 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08 for those institutions that begin the reclassification process on or after 8/1/08, Revised 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Full compliance with all Football Bowl Subdivision legislation and membership requirements;
(b) Submit an annual report and updated strategic plan confirming compliance with all Football Bowl Subdivision legislation and membership requirements; and
© Report all violations to the Administration Cabinet as part of the required annual report.
20.4.2.1.4.3 Compliance Review Requirement. The institution must engage in a compliance review (at the institution’s expense) during the reclassification period. The review must be conducted by an authority outside the athletics department (e.g., multisport conference, outside consultant), subject to approval by the Administration Cabinet. A copy of the report of the compliance review must be kept on file at the institution and a copy must be submitted to the Administration Cabinet. (Adopted: 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08 for those institutions


Basically, there is a need to review certain criteria during the reclassification. So if you didn't meet year 1 or year 2 criteria, then you are not going to be classified as FBS.
Therefore, no FBS transition teams will not be bowl eligible until they are fully FBS.
The eligiblity requirement you stated is under the FBS requirements for all teams classified as FBS. Ga So and App St don't fall under that category.

(12-01-2014 04:58 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:52 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:02 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Found the GaSo board. Someone said need to show the NCAA they will lose money by not taking NCAA.

The NCAA makes nothing off bowls so that part is resolved. The NCAA has no financial stake in the outcome of the decision.

Well if you pick and choose one post it is easy to make us look stupid. I believe that was shot down pretty quick. Most posters over there are pretty rational and it's a lot easier to have a conversation when you you don't have twenty people telling you how wrong every statement you make is.

The other option is to not make wrong statements.

I'll give you that one if you can prove you've never made a wrong statement in your life. No? That's what I thought.

(12-01-2014 05:15 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:47 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:35 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The rule doesn't apply because the rule is there to help an FBS school that is a league champion but lacks the required wins. GaSo's problem is not being a FBS school.

Serious question here. Where in the rule book does it actually state the 2nd year transitional teams are ineligible for bowls? All I can find is the part where a school is ineligible for the FCS championship once they declare FBS and the definition of eligible teams.

20.4.3 Championships Eligibility. A member of Division I that has forwarded to the national office written notice of its intention to change its football membership classification from Championship Subdivision to Bowl Subdivision per Bylaw 20.4.2.1 no longer shall be eligible for participation in the Division I Football Championship.
(Adopted: 4/26/01 effective 8/1/01, Revised: 12/15/06)


Eligible Teams
An eligible team is defined as one that has won a number of games against Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) opponents that is equal to or greater than the number of its overall losses (e.g., a record of 6-6, or better).

20.4.2.1.3 Compliance with Criteria. The Administration Cabinet shall monitor the institution’s progress and compliance with the criteria of the reclassification process. The cabinet shall have the authority to deny advancement to the next year of the process if it determines that deficiencies warrant a requirement that the institution repeat the first year. If the member has met all applicable division membership criteria of this article (other than scheduling requirements during the first year of reclassification) and has complied for the two years preceding June 1 with all other bylaw requirements as they pertain to the Football Bowl Subdivision, the Administration Cabinet shall refer the institution’s request for participation in the Football Bowl Subdivision to the Board of Directors for election effective August 1 of the year that the institution selects as its effective date. (Revised: 1/10/90, 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11, 7/22/13)
20.4.2.1.4 Reclassification Requirements.
20.4.2.1.4.1 First Year. During the first year of reclassification, an institution shall satisfy the following requirements: (Adopted: 1/8/07, Revised: 11/1/07 effective 8/1/08, 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08 for those institutions that begin the reclassification process on or after 8/1/08, 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Attend an orientation session conducted by the national office staff related to the application of Football Bowl Subdivision membership requirements. Institutional representatives required to attend the orientation session are the chancellor or president (or an individual appointed by the chancellor or president with executive status at the institution), the director of athletics representative and the senior compliance administrator;
(b) Submit an annual report and updated strategic plan by June 1 at the end of the first academic year based on feedback received from the previous year’s report; and
© Report all violations to the Administration Cabinet as part of the required annual report.
20.4.2.1.4.2 Second Year. During the second year of reclassification, an institution shall satisfy the following requirements: (Adopted: 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08 for those institutions that begin the reclassification process on or after 8/1/08, Revised 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Full compliance with all Football Bowl Subdivision legislation and membership requirements;
(b) Submit an annual report and updated strategic plan confirming compliance with all Football Bowl Subdivision legislation and membership requirements; and
© Report all violations to the Administration Cabinet as part of the required annual report.
20.4.2.1.4.3 Compliance Review Requirement. The institution must engage in a compliance review (at the institution’s expense) during the reclassification period. The review must be conducted by an authority outside the athletics department (e.g., multisport conference, outside consultant), subject to approval by the Administration Cabinet. A copy of the report of the compliance review must be kept on file at the institution and a copy must be submitted to the Administration Cabinet. (Adopted: 1/14/08 effective 8/1/08 for those institutions


Basically, there is a need to review certain criteria during the reclassification. So if you didn't meet year 1 or year 2 criteria, then you are not going to be classified as FBS.
Therefore, no FBS transition teams will not be bowl eligible until they are fully FBS.
The eligiblity requirement you stated is under the FBS requirements for all teams classified as FBS. Ga So and App St don't fall under that category.

If the ban was created to appease FCS schools as ArkStfan stated, what year did the change occur? It is clear the bowl ban has nothing to do with the Marshall rule that so many reference.

(11-30-2014 10:15 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:12 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  LET..............IT................GO

Just reading what the ncaa rule says.

LET..............IT................GO

(12-01-2014 05:39 PM)GST-bone09 Wrote:  I'll give you that one if you can prove you've never made a wrong statement in your life. No? That's what I thought.

I make plenty of wrong statements. I just accept the backlash when I am wrong without trying to play the victim.