(12-01-2014 08:21 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  didn't Oregon play for a title and almost win a few years ago running a hurry up?
wasn't Auburn 31 seconds away from a title last year?

yea, they haven't won a title. But teams have only been doing this about half a decade and have come damn close.

It's only a matter of time. maybe this year (Oregon)

Auburn huddled (sort of) last season (they did this "quick break huddle" 2 games I saw them vs Bama and FSU):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPBRYS2-PTo
In 14 games they had 1014 plays, 72+ plays per game. Don't think that would count as primarily running a no huddle hurry up.

Oregon has been running the hurry up for at least 8 seasons when Kelly got to Oregon in 07'

(12-01-2014 12:23 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:13 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's not a bad thing.

EW comes with his own degree of Ego and Arrogance. It is all about EW. I Feel that he came to JMU because he needed a JOB. But he also came with the idea that is probably similar to the D1 Transfers that we have. Each of them feel entitled and feel that this is going to be easier than it really is. Like I have stated before, "there's a reason why they are transferring".

If it is all about the nine wins, then hooray! Remember the Chokies are going to a BOWL because their wonderful product they put on the field.

Great success EW and reviving JMU football. To me, it was just a different degree of mediocrity.

One step at a time ---- this 9-3 playoff team that you term mediocre is the first JMU team to make the playoff's in 4 years. That is something for those seniors to reach the post-season before moving on.

Is that all we want as fans, I for one hope not but give them a little credit. It is hard to go from missing the playoffs for 4 straight seasons to winning a national title.....this is a process and getting back to the playoffs was the first step.

Now next season JMU will be relevant and will get respect going into the season. It will not take all season to get ranked.

The reason we got no respect is because we lost a a weak delaware team at home and we had a very favorable schedule.

I have no problem with EGO/arrogant coaches , thats mostly all coaches. The good ones dont let that atttitude determine how they coach and who they hire. I like some of the things EW is bringing down from the fbs level.

(12-01-2014 12:23 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:13 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's not a bad thing.

EW comes with his own degree of Ego and Arrogance. It is all about EW. I Feel that he came to JMU because he needed a JOB. But he also came with the idea that is probably similar to the D1 Transfers that we have. Each of them feel entitled and feel that this is going to be easier than it really is. Like I have stated before, "there's a reason why they are transferring".

If it is all about the nine wins, then hooray! Remember the Chokies are going to a BOWL because their wonderful product they put on the field.

Great success EW and reviving JMU football. To me, it was just a different degree of mediocrity.

One step at a time ---- this 9-3 playoff team that you term mediocre is the first JMU team to make the playoff's in 4 years. That is something for those seniors to reach the post-season before moving on.

Is that all we want as fans, I for one hope not but give them a little credit. It is hard to go from missing the playoffs for 4 straight seasons to winning a national title.....this is a process and getting back to the playoffs was the first step.

Now next season JMU will be relevant and will get respect going into the season. It will not take all season to get ranked.

(12-01-2014 08:17 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 07:36 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 05:32 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  One thing to note is that a hurry up offense has never won an NC at the Div I level.

What did Vince Young run at Texas? I can't remember. What about Cam Newton @ Auburn? I think they ran fast.

Texas in their 05' NC season on a 13-0 team avg over 72 plays per game (941 in 13 games) Don't know if it was no huddle. Doesn't sound like primarily hurry up. A dominant undefeated team running a normal pace pro style is probably going to avg upper 60s/around 70 plays per game. ex- NDSU last season at 15-0 running a old school, huddle, QB under center, power I avg over 67 plays per game (1009 in 15 games).
http://stats.texassports.com/sports/m-fo...amcume.htm

Auburn in their 2010 NC season ran a no huddle with Newton, but on a 14-0 team they avg under 68 plays per game (948 in 14 games). That's not hurry up, at least not for the majority of the game.
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...mcume.html

JMU running a hurry up avg 82.5 plays per game. If JMU was more dominant throughout the season and was 11-2 or 12-1 now think it would be closer to 90 plays per game

Not saying a team that primarily runs hurry up won't ever win one. But don't think you'll ever see one win one that doesn't also have the ability switch to effectively running slow down old school smash mouth when the situation warrants it, like with a lead in the 4th qtr, in bad weather, esp late Nov-early Jan, or on 4th and inches with a big OL, QB, and RB the ability to bringing in a FB and put your QB under center..

How many plays per game did Fla. St. Average last year?

(12-01-2014 11:25 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 08:17 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 07:36 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 05:32 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  One thing to note is that a hurry up offense has never won an NC at the Div I level.

What did Vince Young run at Texas? I can't remember. What about Cam Newton @ Auburn? I think they ran fast.

Texas in their 05' NC season on a 13-0 team avg over 72 plays per game (941 in 13 games) Don't know if it was no huddle. Doesn't sound like primarily hurry up. A dominant undefeated team running a normal pace pro style is probably going to avg upper 60s/around 70 plays per game. ex- NDSU last season at 15-0 running a old school, huddle, QB under center, power I avg over 67 plays per game (1009 in 15 games).
http://stats.texassports.com/sports/m-fo...amcume.htm

Auburn in their 2010 NC season ran a no huddle with Newton, but on a 14-0 team they avg under 68 plays per game (948 in 14 games). That's not hurry up, at least not for the majority of the game.
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-foo...mcume.html

JMU running a hurry up avg 82.5 plays per game. If JMU was more dominant throughout the season and was 11-2 or 12-1 now think it would be closer to 90 plays per game

Not saying a team that primarily runs hurry up won't ever win one. But don't think you'll ever see one win one that doesn't also have the ability switch to effectively running slow down old school smash mouth when the situation warrants it, like with a lead in the 4th qtr, in bad weather, esp late Nov-early Jan, or on 4th and inches with a big OL, QB, and RB the ability to bringing in a FB and put your QB under center..

How many plays per game did Fla. St. Average last year?

947 in 14 games, under 68 per game. Not a hurry up. Thought they were pro style?

(12-01-2014 09:46 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:23 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:13 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's not a bad thing.

EW comes with his own degree of Ego and Arrogance. It is all about EW. I Feel that he came to JMU because he needed a JOB. But he also came with the idea that is probably similar to the D1 Transfers that we have. Each of them feel entitled and feel that this is going to be easier than it really is. Like I have stated before, "there's a reason why they are transferring".

If it is all about the nine wins, then hooray! Remember the Chokies are going to a BOWL because their wonderful product they put on the field.

Great success EW and reviving JMU football. To me, it was just a different degree of mediocrity.

One step at a time ---- this 9-3 playoff team that you term mediocre is the first JMU team to make the playoff's in 4 years. That is something for those seniors to reach the post-season before moving on.

Is that all we want as fans, I for one hope not but give them a little credit. It is hard to go from missing the playoffs for 4 straight seasons to winning a national title.....this is a process and getting back to the playoffs was the first step.

Now next season JMU will be relevant and will get respect going into the season. It will not take all season to get ranked.

The reason we got no respect is because we lost a a weak delaware team at home and we had a very favorable schedule.

I have no problem with EGO/arrogant coaches , thats mostly all coaches. The good ones dont let that atttitude determine how they coach and who they hire. I like some of the things EW is bringing down from the fbs level.

That's fine, however to quote Dizzy Dean: "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." EW and staff didn't do "it".

The one thing that is paramount for EW is he has to win. If he doesn't win HE doesn't move on!!

I don't know how this win adversely.affects JMU with regards to perception of the program or recruiting. But it didn't help matters any.


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(12-01-2014 09:55 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:23 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:13 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's not a bad thing.

EW comes with his own degree of Ego and Arrogance. It is all about EW. I Feel that he came to JMU because he needed a JOB. But he also came with the idea that is probably similar to the D1 Transfers that we have. Each of them feel entitled and feel that this is going to be easier than it really is. Like I have stated before, "there's a reason why they are transferring".

If it is all about the nine wins, then hooray! Remember the Chokies are going to a BOWL because their wonderful product they put on the field.

Great success EW and reviving JMU football. To me, it was just a different degree of mediocrity.

One step at a time ---- this 9-3 playoff team that you term mediocre is the first JMU team to make the playoff's in 4 years. That is something for those seniors to reach the post-season before moving on.

Is that all we want as fans, I for one hope not but give them a little credit. It is hard to go from missing the playoffs for 4 straight seasons to winning a national title.....this is a process and getting back to the playoffs was the first step.

Now next season JMU will be relevant and will get respect going into the season. It will not take all season to get ranked.

Sorry I did not do my full on BDK fact-check.

Let me rephrase --- 1st playoff appearance since once in a 5 year stretch from 2009 - 2013. Wow that makes a HUGE difference and makes it sound like a lot less of an acheivement.
2009 - missed
2010 - missed
2011 - made
2012 - missed
2013 - missed
2014 - made

(12-02-2014 07:51 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 09:46 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:23 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:13 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's not a bad thing.

EW comes with his own degree of Ego and Arrogance. It is all about EW. I Feel that he came to JMU because he needed a JOB. But he also came with the idea that is probably similar to the D1 Transfers that we have. Each of them feel entitled and feel that this is going to be easier than it really is. Like I have stated before, "there's a reason why they are transferring".

If it is all about the nine wins, then hooray! Remember the Chokies are going to a BOWL because their wonderful product they put on the field.

Great success EW and reviving JMU football. To me, it was just a different degree of mediocrity.

One step at a time ---- this 9-3 playoff team that you term mediocre is the first JMU team to make the playoff's in 4 years. That is something for those seniors to reach the post-season before moving on.

Is that all we want as fans, I for one hope not but give them a little credit. It is hard to go from missing the playoffs for 4 straight seasons to winning a national title.....this is a process and getting back to the playoffs was the first step.

Now next season JMU will be relevant and will get respect going into the season. It will not take all season to get ranked.

The reason we got no respect is because we lost a a weak delaware team at home and we had a very favorable schedule.

I have no problem with EGO/arrogant coaches , thats mostly all coaches. The good ones dont let that atttitude determine how they coach and who they hire. I like some of the things EW is bringing down from the fbs level.

That's fine, however to quote Dizzy Dean: "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." EW and staff didn't do "it".

What is "it"?

(12-06-2014 11:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 07:51 AM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 09:46 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:23 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 12:13 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  It's not a bad thing.

EW comes with his own degree of Ego and Arrogance. It is all about EW. I Feel that he came to JMU because he needed a JOB. But he also came with the idea that is probably similar to the D1 Transfers that we have. Each of them feel entitled and feel that this is going to be easier than it really is. Like I have stated before, "there's a reason why they are transferring".

If it is all about the nine wins, then hooray! Remember the Chokies are going to a BOWL because their wonderful product they put on the field.

Great success EW and reviving JMU football. To me, it was just a different degree of mediocrity.

One step at a time ---- this 9-3 playoff team that you term mediocre is the first JMU team to make the playoff's in 4 years. That is something for those seniors to reach the post-season before moving on.

Is that all we want as fans, I for one hope not but give them a little credit. It is hard to go from missing the playoffs for 4 straight seasons to winning a national title.....this is a process and getting back to the playoffs was the first step.

Now next season JMU will be relevant and will get respect going into the season. It will not take all season to get ranked.

The reason we got no respect is because we lost a a weak delaware team at home and we had a very favorable schedule.

I have no problem with EGO/arrogant coaches , thats mostly all coaches. The good ones dont let that atttitude determine how they coach and who they hire. I like some of the things EW is bringing down from the fbs level.

That's fine, however to quote Dizzy Dean: "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." EW and staff didn't do "it".

What is "it"?

You educators are always trying to make people think.

Just honestly curious where SCDukes line is. Seems ambiguous.

What is Juice?

That's just recruit hype talk. Nothing more. Why does it offend you? Where is the line & what is "it"? Seriously.

I like the up-tempo style of offense. Look, we were up 21-10 at halftime. It worked all year and we had a bad half. Simple as that. Give LU credit. They played well in the 2nd half of one game and we didn't. That doesn't mean change the offense that worked basically all year.

(12-06-2014 01:54 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  That's just recruit hype talk. Nothing more. Why does it offend you? Where is the line & what is "it"? Seriously.

I realize that "juice" talk from EW long ago. Just poking fun.

"it" is whatever you want it to be. You have to back up your swag, talk, false bravado,...

In relation to JMU football and the "it", I would say is winning and beating not only the teams that are a lock: Elon and the likes BUT, the UD, NOVA, LIBERTY, all the hard match ups. Anything else makes you a "Paper Tiger".

Like I said, "sooner or later you have to come ready to play and coach".

I guess that I am just done with all the JMU-ism's like:

Juice, Dream Big, Be the Change, Engage, Listening Tour

(12-06-2014 03:35 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  

(12-06-2014 01:54 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  That's just recruit hype talk. Nothing more. Why does it offend you? Where is the line & what is "it"? Seriously.

I realize that "juice" talk from EW long ago. Just poking fun.

"it" is whatever you want it to be. You have to back up your swag, talk, false bravado,...

In relation to JMU football and the "it", I would say is winning and beating not only the teams that are a lock: Elon and the likes BUT, the UD, NOVA, LIBERTY, all the hard match ups. Anything else makes you a "Paper Tiger".

Like I said, "sooner or later you have to come ready to play and coach".

I guess that I am just done with all the JMU-ism's like:

Juice, Dream Big, Be the Change, Engage, Listening Tour

I get it; I just didn't think we were a 10-win team pre-season, so I don't think we were a failure. Losing to Liberty is not success, true. Otherwise, I think we showed season-long coaching improvement until that last half.

I guess it just seems like a personal grudge with some folks. I don't pretend to know everything EW has done, but I think the negative for the overall season is unwarranted from a performance perspective.

I am not sure how the thread digressed from tempo and style of play. But, in that direction - it was clear we wanted to use offensive pace to put pressure on defensive teams and get them in mismatches where they were not able to sub out. For much of the season, our pattern had us starting the 1st quarter poorly, but coming on in the second half. Conditioning, adjustments, injuries, rhythm I guess all could be explanations.

It seems like teams combat this directly and indirectly. Directly, they force us to run and make stops defensively. Indirectly, they use their offense to pile up time of possession and limit the plays. If they do enough of both - to keep us under 30 points for instance, there is a pretty good chance we lose. We were not any many shootouts where we had to score more than 30 to win (Charlotte). So I think improvement on the defensive side will really help the offensive tempo.

Also, it would be very helpful if the O-line and backs could consistently grind out 3 or 4 yards. We had good rushing yardage, but many times it came from scrambles and burst runs. Nothing wrong with either of those, but it made us less consistent on 3rd/4th down and sometimes in the red-zone. I liked our pace and that we would line up and go.

Looked up Oregon. Surprised to see they avg only about 74 plays per game (966 plays in 13 games). A dominant hurry up team should be running 85-90 plays per game. Looked up Baylor and they avg about 89 plays per game (1064 in 12 games). Again, JMU avg 82 and wasn’t a dominant 1 loss team. Which tells me that Oregon, while running hurry up the majority of the time, isn’t running it 100% of the time.

Watching the Iron Bowl 2 weeks ago the commentators commented on how Alabama wasn’t running the hurry up. They were operating with a huddle, QB under center, either 1 back or with a FB, sometimes even in the old school power I. Looked like the Alabama of old, more smash mouth. The commentators then mentioned how Bama had under Kiffen installed and run a no huddle hurry up the majority of the season (Don’t know if a majority of snaps, avg about 73 plays per game). Watching Bama last week in the SEC Championship game they switeched from what they did during the Iron Bowl- theywere running a no huddle hurry up. The commentators mentioned how Auburn had had such big success vs Missouri running the no huddle hurry up. They also mentioned that Auburn avg 17 plays per game no huddle.

Watching NDSU today they ran mostly huddle, QB under center, usually a FB and/or 2 TE, old school smash mouth power running game. But they also did some shotgun, and one series did run some no huddle hurry up.

You have these really good to great offenses with the ability to run BOTH hurry up and conventional, whether they are primarily 1 or the other. I did mention that no one had won a NC mostly running the no huddle hurry up. A team that primarily runs a no huddle hurry up could win a Div I NC, but I don’t think it will happen unless the team also has the ability to also successfully run a more pro style smash mouth under certain situations like:

-in the 4th qtr with a several td lead. Stupid to run hurry up then.

-in bad weather & cold weather. This will be especially true in I-AA if going on a playoff run. In 4-5 playoff games will hit cold and bad weather. JMU/LU games was in the 30s. LU @ VU game was in the 40s and raining. UNH/UTC games was 32 degrees last night. Someone mentioned in another thread the ball is harder to catch in the very cold.Saw a lot of drops in the JMU/LU game. Saw about 8 drops last night in the UNH/UTC game last night, including 4 or so by UNH's all American WR RJ Harris.

-on 3rd & 4th & short. When its 3rd or 4th and less than a yard, with a big QB, RB, and OL, to say that you don’t want to put the QB under center because you’re afraid of a botched center-QB exchange is a lame excuse. There are plenty of teams that practice and do both. Last night UTC was shotgun almost the whole game. But on 3rd and inches, they put their big QB under center, and they converted.

(12-06-2014 03:20 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I like the up-tempo style of offense. Look, we were up 21-10 at halftime. It worked all year and we had a bad half. Simple as that. Give LU credit. They played well in the 2nd half of one game and we didn't. That doesn't mean change the offense that worked basically all year.

This is not new for us. JMU has (attempted) to go no huddle/hurryup in regular play since after the regular season game heartbeaker against crApp in 2006 (I think that was the year). That's when the NCAA changed up some of the clock rules, etc to speed up play -- I remember MM swearing then that we wouldn't lose again due to clock control issues.