Hmm....

Saw that on the news tonight and thought the same thing.

Means absolutely NOTHING.

Just like we KILLED Bucknell, who only lost by 7 to Villanova, who blew out VCU, who UT outplayed.

Jesus Christ, you people need to stop looking for reasons to say that we suck in basketball. We're 6 f'n games into the season. We haven't even started MAC play yet.

Thought we lost to VCU.

Definitely surprised by the results of these first few Rocket games but hope they get it together for MAC season.

(11-30-2014 10:52 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Thought we lost to VCU.

I said outplayed, not beat.

the team needs to find itself. last year's team was not dominant. they were a good team that played hungry and knew their identity. this year's team has good talent but is not sure who it is. that's compounded by the fact that their senior leaders, drummond and juice, have been inconsistent (each blew a chance to score the game winner at oakland). in reality boothe and jonjon williams are the best offensive players on the team, but juice and drummond are taking most of the shots (8 more per game combined). there are some guys who can play good defense but our team defense is lousy. we also need a bench identity. our only certainty off the bench is that jordan lauf will play hard, take a charge and grab some rebounds. we need garber to be a good passer and defender. we need kurt hall to grow into his potential as lauf with offense type player. we need mosley to get comfortable shooting the ball (he can score). we need to integrate dre applewhite into the rotation when he gets eligible and figure out how he fits in. and we need to rebound as a team.

if all this happens, we'll have a shot at the mac title and mac tourney. hopefully, the team figures it out over the next month or two. that's why they play. plenty of teams that ended the year on a roll had some struggles coming together.

(11-30-2014 10:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:52 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Thought we lost to VCU.

I said outplayed, not beat.

All those turnovers looked pretty ugly.

Gotta admit.

And the 2nd half looked more sloppy than resembling outplaying the opponent.

Is any of the rest of the MAC starting the season HOT?

(11-30-2014 10:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:52 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Thought we lost to VCU.

I said outplayed, not beat.

I grew up thinking they developed an objective way to determine which team outplayed the other.

(12-01-2014 02:03 AM)owen Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:52 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Thought we lost to VCU.

I said outplayed, not beat.

All those turnovers looked pretty ugly.

Gotta admit.

And the 2nd half looked more sloppy than resembling outplaying the opponent.

Is any of the rest of the MAC starting the season HOT?

Buffalo and BG look awfully good. Bulls lostcto #1 Kentucky and wonnthe rest, 4-0. BG is 4-0 and Holmes looks like a POY candidate. EMU is 6-0.

After last season's 27 wins, we may be getting every team's best game. With another loss or two, that could change...I've said it before, but having only one athletic big man on the roster causes all types of offensive and defensive problems.

Detroit had a few injuries (although BG was also without Orr) and only suited up 9 guys. Were they fully healthy when they played Toledo?

(12-01-2014 10:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Detroit had a few injuries (although BG was also without Orr) and only suited up 9 guys. Were they fully healthy when they played Toledo?

They certainly LOOKED healthy. I think they had twelve suited up.

(11-30-2014 10:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Means absolutely NOTHING.

Just like we KILLED Bucknell, who only lost by 7 to Villanova, who blew out VCU, who UT outplayed.

Jesus Christ, you people need to stop looking for reasons to say that we suck in basketball. We're 6 f'n games into the season. We haven't even started MAC play yet.

Chill. Nobody said we suck at basketball.

But, BG went up there and won, yet we lost to them at home. If nothing else it means we'd better respect BG, even though BG does suck.

(12-01-2014 12:47 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Means absolutely NOTHING.

Just like we KILLED Bucknell, who only lost by 7 to Villanova, who blew out VCU, who UT outplayed.

Jesus Christ, you people need to stop looking for reasons to say that we suck in basketball. We're 6 f'n games into the season. We haven't even started MAC play yet.

Chill. Nobody said we suck at basketball.

But, BG went up there and won, yet we lost to them at home. If nothing else it means we'd better respect BG, even though BG does suck.

The way some people talk about the team on this message board leads me to believe that they think the team sucks. I don't have a problem with criticism, but I think some fans overreact. It is a long season and they are experiencing some early season adversity, which they didn't have last season. Just let the season play out before jumping to conclusions.

(12-01-2014 12:47 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:42 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  Means absolutely NOTHING.

Just like we KILLED Bucknell, who only lost by 7 to Villanova, who blew out VCU, who UT outplayed.

Jesus Christ, you people need to stop looking for reasons to say that we suck in basketball. We're 6 f'n games into the season. We haven't even started MAC play yet.

Chill. Nobody said we suck at basketball.

But, BG went up there and won, yet we lost to them at home. If nothing else it means we'd better respect BG, even though BG does suck.

Obviously everyone want UT to make the NCAA this year (for the first time in 35 years) and because they came up short last year everyone wants to believe that they are a better team this year than the were last year---and they may yet be a better team at some point in the season, but they are not there at the moment. So when UT loses at home to a team that they defeated twice last year and then sees BG beat that same team on the road, it is foolish not to expect some criticism to be forthcoming-----especially since sports fans tend to get way too high after a good win or way too low after a bad loss-----still, except for MGB's post I have not heard any mention about them sucking---at least not yet.

At present the team has some problems---pono's analysis is about the best I've seen----and these problems need to be resolved if the team is to have a chance at the NCAA. Still, at this point I am not too concerned because there is still plenty of time for this team to come together and besides I never for one nanosecond ever thought that any MAC team is going to make the tournament without winning the MAC Championship so these losses don't really damage their chance for an at-large bid that NEVER existed in the first place. Furthermore, I figure the chances of getting to the sweet 16 are probably better with a 12 (or even 13) seed than with an 8 or 9 seed. So as long as the MAC rep to the dance can avoid a 14 or lower seed, a loss here or there doesn't really have any bearing on how the team will be playing in March---however, it may be a symptom of a problem that needs to be corrected because come March, a loss in the MAC Tournament is fatal to any chance of playing in the NCAA.

(12-01-2014 09:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 02:03 AM)owen Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:52 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Thought we lost to VCU.

I said outplayed, not beat.

All those turnovers looked pretty ugly.

Gotta admit.

And the 2nd half looked more sloppy than resembling outplaying the opponent.

Is any of the rest of the MAC starting the season HOT?

Buffalo and BG look awfully good. Bulls lostcto #1 Kentucky and wonnthe rest, 4-0. BG is 4-0 and Holmes looks like a POY candidate. EMU is 6-0.

We don't play defense very well. If, this problem is not corrected, it will be a long season.

(12-01-2014 01:52 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 09:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 02:03 AM)owen Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:52 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Thought we lost to VCU.

I said outplayed, not beat.

All those turnovers looked pretty ugly.

Gotta admit.

And the 2nd half looked more sloppy than resembling outplaying the opponent.

Is any of the rest of the MAC starting the season HOT?

Buffalo and BG look awfully good. Bulls lostcto #1 Kentucky and wonnthe rest, 4-0. BG is 4-0 and Holmes looks like a POY candidate. EMU is 6-0.

We don't play defense very well. If, this problem is not corrected, it will be a long season.

That is a very polite way of saying it.

(12-01-2014 10:45 PM)rkt Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 01:52 PM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 09:03 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 02:03 AM)owen Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:58 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  I said outplayed, not beat.

All those turnovers looked pretty ugly.

Gotta admit.

And the 2nd half looked more sloppy than resembling outplaying the opponent.

Is any of the rest of the MAC starting the season HOT?

Buffalo and BG look awfully good. Bulls lostcto #1 Kentucky and wonnthe rest, 4-0. BG is 4-0 and Holmes looks like a POY candidate. EMU is 6-0.

We don't play defense very well. If, this problem is not corrected, it will be a long season.

That is a very polite way of saying it.

After seeing them play at Oakland, I'll take all even-up bets on whether they make the NCAA tourney. Their bigger concern now is even getting to the finals of the MACC tourney. I say they have slightly above a 0% chance of that happening. The only reason I don't put it at zero is because it is possible Brown steps up and starts to lead this team. It seemed to me he was assessing his own team instead of leading them. He was definitely not engaged in what was going on during the game. I'm expecting him to penetrate each time down the floor and taking it to the rack, pulling up for a jumper, or dishing off as guys collapse on him. Besides that, who is our consistent 3 point shooter supposed to be?

we are definitely a different team when juice plays fast and attacks the basket. when he gets lazy on the perimeter and is sloppy with the ball or settles for contested jumpers we quickly become mediocre. often college players peak their jr year. hopefully, not the case w juice and drummond.