Fuente has over-achieved. His facilities are, at best, on par with the middle to lower tier of the AAC. The situation he inherited... a true dumpster fire. The fan support at all time lows, and the media coverage, marginal.

Pastner, on the other hand, is on the opposite end of the spectrum. His program has the best facilties in his conference (AAC). He inherited a program that spent triple the money on basketball as its former conference mates. His leanest teams had more High school all Americans than the rest of CUSA combined. I think some Tiger fans understandably wonder where the BB program would be under the direction of a leader like Fuente.

(11-30-2014 10:36 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Fuente has over-achieved. His facilities are, at best, on par with the middle to lower tier of the AAC. The situation he inherited... a true dumpster fire. The fan support at all time lows, and the media coverage, marginal.

Pastner, on the other hand, is on the opposite end of the spectrum. His program has the best facilties in his conference (AAC). He inherited a program that spent triple the money on basketball as its former conference mates. His leanest teams had more High school all Americans than the rest of CUSA combined. I think some Tiger fans understandably wonder where the BB program would be under the direction of a leader like Fuente.

good post.

(11-30-2014 10:36 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Fuente has over-achieved. His facilities are, at best, on par with the middle to lower tier of the AAC. The situation he inherited... a true dumpster fire. The fan support at all time lows, and the media coverage, marginal.

Pastner, on the other hand, is on the opposite end of the spectrum. His program has the best facilties in his conference (AAC). He inherited a program that spent triple the money on basketball as its former conference mates. His leanest teams had more High school all Americans than the rest of CUSA combined. I think some Tiger fans understandably wonder where the BB program would be under the direction of a leader like Fuente.

Absolutely.

(11-30-2014 10:36 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Fuente has over-achieved. His facilities are, at best, on par with the middle to lower tier of the AAC. The situation he inherited... a true dumpster fire. The fan support at all time lows, and the media coverage, marginal.

Pastner, on the other hand, is on the opposite end of the spectrum. His program has the best facilties in his conference (AAC). He inherited a program that spent triple the money on basketball as its former conference mates. His leanest teams had more High school all Americans than the rest of CUSA combined. I think some Tiger fans understandably wonder where the BB program would be under the direction of a leader like Fuente.

Great post.

I think most of us get the distinction. But a lot of folks here don't want to put any expectations on Pastner or acknowledge all the advantages he has because that would mean admitting to the fact that he's underachieved.

(11-30-2014 10:56 AM)Chirs Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 10:36 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Fuente has over-achieved. His facilities are, at best, on par with the middle to lower tier of the AAC. The situation he inherited... a true dumpster fire. The fan support at all time lows, and the media coverage, marginal.

Pastner, on the other hand, is on the opposite end of the spectrum. His program has the best facilties in his conference (AAC). He inherited a program that spent triple the money on basketball as its former conference mates. His leanest teams had more High school all Americans than the rest of CUSA combined. I think some Tiger fans understandably wonder where the BB program would be under the direction of a leader like Fuente.

Great post.

I think most of us get the distinction. But a lot of folks here don't want to put any expectations on Pastner or acknowledge all the advantages he has because that would mean admitting to the fact that he's underachieved.

(11-30-2014 09:33 AM)83msu Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 06:25 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  The stark contrast in this press conference and one given by JP is incredible. If I heard something like that coming after a basketball game, I wouldn't be nearly as discouraged as I am now about the direction of the roundball program. That was amazing.

You could have started and stopped at " that was amazing." I know you love our BB but this was Tiger FB's One Shining Moment.

Thanks

(11-30-2014 11:04 AM)OneShiningMoment Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 09:33 AM)83msu Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 06:25 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  The stark contrast in this press conference and one given by JP is incredible. If I heard something like that coming after a basketball game, I wouldn't be nearly as discouraged as I am now about the direction of the roundball program. That was amazing.

You could have started and stopped at " that was amazing." I know you love our BB but this was Tiger FB's One Shining Moment.

Thanks

U R WELCOME!

We were watching him yesterday and noticed how he was already planning the next play when Malone caught that first TD pass. Coaching is so important with the short time in between plays in football.

Let's not turn this into a dump on Pastner thread. Look, I'm not happy with the guy either, but let's focus on the subject at hand.

(11-30-2014 12:31 PM)anothertigerfan Wrote:  Let's not turn this into a dump on Pastner thread. Look, I'm not happy with the guy either, but let's focus on the subject at hand.

Then how bout you stop mentioning him? Good lord you people are a trip on here.

I bet the folks here that want Josh gone could all get together and raise the money for the buyout. Who's first?

(11-30-2014 12:36 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:31 PM)anothertigerfan Wrote:  Let's not turn this into a dump on Pastner thread. Look, I'm not happy with the guy either, but let's focus on the subject at hand.

Then how bout you stop mentioning him? Good lord you people are a trip on here.

What? I was referring to all of the posts above.

(11-30-2014 12:48 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  I bet the folks here that want Josh gone could all get together and raise the money for the buyout. Who's first?

how many times do we see this on here in a given week?

(11-30-2014 01:10 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:48 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  I bet the folks here that want Josh gone could all get together and raise the money for the buyout. Who's first?

how many times do we see this on here in a given week?

I'm betting probably as many times as you see the getting rid of Coach Pastner posts

(11-30-2014 01:21 PM)OneShiningMoment Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 01:10 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:48 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  I bet the folks here that want Josh gone could all get together and raise the money for the buyout. Who's first?

how many times do we see this on here in a given week?

I'm betting probably as many times as you see the getting rid of Coach Pastner posts

good answer

(11-30-2014 06:25 AM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  The stark contrast in this press conference and one given by JP is incredible. If I heard something like that coming after a basketball game, I wouldn't be nearly as discouraged as I am now about the direction of the roundball program. That was amazing.

Criticize some on court performances and scheduling sure...but...using Fuente too assault Pastner for class and the like?

Please.

Our football facilities are much, much better than some are giving them credit for. Before you criticize our facilities, please, wander onto the South Campus and see for yourself.

(11-30-2014 12:48 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  I bet the folks here that want Josh gone could all get together and raise the money for the buyout. Who's first?

I bet - no, guarantee- that several our biggest boosters aren't happy either.

(11-30-2014 01:34 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:48 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  I bet the folks here that want Josh gone could all get together and raise the money for the buyout. Who's first?

I bet - no, guarantee- that several our biggest boosters aren't happy either.

hello

(11-30-2014 01:34 PM)TigersRuleAll Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:48 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  I bet the folks here that want Josh gone could all get together and raise the money for the buyout. Who's first?

I bet - no, guarantee- that several our biggest boosters aren't happy either.

I also bet they have something else much more important to worry about right now.