(11-30-2014 12:11 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 11:32 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 08:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  Assuming that Temple beats Tulane Next week, my guess is that two C-USA teams get left out, along with one each from the MAC and Sunbelt.

Yeah, C-USA looks to have two sit. They only have 5 solid bowls this year (what happened to the St. Pete Bowl?), and the conditional tie with the Independence Bowl, but with seven bowl eligible teams, and against all odds the ACC and SEC will seemingly both fill their Indy slots, that leaves two C-USA on the outside looking in.

Probably Middle Tennessee and UAB.

I would think C-USA is arguing Rice to the Armed Forces, setting up a Bayou Bucket in Cowtown game against Houston, as the best chance to place UAB or Middle Tennessee State in a bowl. The Marshall-Louisiana Tech loser might also be an attractive opponent to shop to Fort Worth.

C-USA only has 5 guaranteed bowl spots and 7 eligible teams. Plus, their two conditional situations (Military and Indy) are also now off the table, so unless two other spots open up nationally, it looks like two C-USA teams will sit.

Because there doesn't seem to be two spots open nationally.

If BSU goes to the Access Bowl, then all MW eligible teams will go bowling.
BSU - Access/Fiesta
CSU - LV
Other bowls are for informational purposes
USU - Cactus/New Orleans
AF - NM
SDSU - Poinsettia
Nev. - Potato
Fresno - Hawaii.

If the Cactus bowl is filled with the MW team, then everything moves up and the MW will have a bowl unfulfilled (Hawaii or Potato is my guess).

(11-30-2014 12:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  C-USA only has 5 guaranteed bowl spots and 7 eligible teams. Plus, their two conditional situations (Military and Indy) are also now off the table, so unless two other spots open up nationally, it looks like two C-USA teams will sit.

Because there doesn't seem to be two spots open nationally.

Agree that it is not a very good hand, but if two of the open bowls are Armed Forces and New Orleans (because MWC decides to support their hometown Hawaii and Potato bowls), at least C-USA has some geographically close programs to offer up compared to the other G5 conferences shopping bowl eligible schools.

(11-30-2014 12:39 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:17 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  C-USA only has 5 guaranteed bowl spots and 7 eligible teams. Plus, their two conditional situations (Military and Indy) are also now off the table, so unless two other spots open up nationally, it looks like two C-USA teams will sit.

Because there doesn't seem to be two spots open nationally.

Agree that it is not a very good hand, but if two of the open bowls are Armed Forces and New Orleans (because MWC decides to support their hometown Hawaii and Potato bowls), at least C-USA has some geographically close programs to offer up compared to the other G5 conferences shopping bowl eligible schools.

Good points. And since C-USA proved adept at getting better bowl games than anyone thought they could, I don't doubt your administrative team will put its best foot forward.

(11-30-2014 12:28 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I suspect all extra "P5" teams will get placed in any extra bowls like the Armed Forces or Cactus.

^^^^^
THIS.

Simply THIS.

(11-30-2014 12:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:28 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I suspect all extra "P5" teams will get placed in any extra bowls like the Armed Forces or Cactus.

^^^^^
THIS.

Simply THIS.

Well of course! Nobody doubts that any extra P5s will get placed before any G5s get to eat from a bowl. Who is saying otherwise?

(11-30-2014 01:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:28 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I suspect all extra "P5" teams will get placed in any extra bowls like the Armed Forces or Cactus.

^^^^^
THIS.

Simply THIS.

Well of course! Nobody doubts that any extra P5s will get placed before any G5s get to eat from a bowl. Who is saying otherwise?

As a general rule, it's true. However, contracts can and do get in the way. If the Mountain West does in fact have a contract with the Cactus Bowl, then Air Force or Colorado State or Utah STate will shift to the Cactus, and Pitt or Miami or Illinois will go to Albuquerque or New Orleans or Boise instead of going to Tempe.

If there are genuinely open spots, then P5s get preference, in this as in all else. But if, say, CUSA has some kind of a contract with the Armed Forces Bowl, then you could see Houston vs Rice instead of Houston vs Rutgers, and Rutgers going to Hawaii.

(11-30-2014 08:36 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  People here complaining about being left out after their first year in FBS and going 7-5 you don't understand. There used to not be that many bowl games and going to a bowl game was a privilege. Now you get one if you have a winning record. I remember one year East Carolina was 8-3 and had a win over ranked Miami and still did not make a bowl.

1996. East Carolina kicked Miami's butt 31-6. Miami was 9-3 that season.

Southern Miss finished 8-3, tied for the CUSA crown, and sat at home too. Despite being ranked in the Top 25 in November.

There were 18 bowls that year. Now there are 38.

(11-30-2014 08:36 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  People here complaining about being left out after their first year in FBS and going 7-5 you don't understand. There used to not be that many bowl games and going to a bowl game was a privilege. Now you get one if you have a winning record. I remember one year East Carolina was 8-3 and had a win over ranked Miami and still did not make a bowl.

This is like that old man going "All you ungrateful youngsters! Back in my day we did not even have colored tv channels!"

Okay....but no 7-5 teams should have to sit home.

Especially when there are so many places that want to host bowl games. It may not be important to everyone but bowl games provide a great experience to friends, family, senior players, and the students who want one last hurrah for the year.

Really no point in robbing anyone of that privilege.

I'm a former collegiate athlete and I can assure you that lower level bowl games are the ONE game a year players can just go and have fun. No stress of getting bowl eligible, no stress of a conference race, just go out there and play the game one last time.

Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

(11-30-2014 03:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

BBW game? Sounds messy.

(11-30-2014 03:20 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 03:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

BBW game? Sounds messy.

Buffalo Wild Wings Citrus bowl

(11-30-2014 03:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

Independance bowl is covered. So a back up agreement us void at this point.

(11-30-2014 05:05 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 03:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

Independance bowl is covered. So a back up agreement us void at this point.

Not talking about Duck Bowl but the AF as a back up for CUSA. Just trying to figure out if that is correct or not since that may be open.

(11-30-2014 01:20 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 01:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:52 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 12:28 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I suspect all extra "P5" teams will get placed in any extra bowls like the Armed Forces or Cactus.

^^^^^
THIS.

Simply THIS.

Well of course! Nobody doubts that any extra P5s will get placed before any G5s get to eat from a bowl. Who is saying otherwise?

As a general rule, it's true. However, contracts can and do get in the way. If the Mountain West does in fact have a contract with the Cactus Bowl, then Air Force or Colorado State or Utah STate will shift to the Cactus, and Pitt or Miami or Illinois will go to Albuquerque or New Orleans or Boise instead of going to Tempe.

If there are genuinely open spots, then P5s get preference, in this as in all else. But if, say, CUSA has some kind of a contract with the Armed Forces Bowl, then you could see Houston vs Rice instead of Houston vs Rutgers, and Rutgers going to Hawaii.

Well yeah ... If a G5 has a contract, then the contract will prevail. E.g., C-USA and the AAC have a backup deal with the Indy Bowl should the ACC or SEC fail to fill their slots. So if the Indy had that slot open and there was an available C-USA team and an available Big 12 team, the Indy would have to grit its teeth and take the C-USA team.

FWIW, to my knowledge, the Cactus Bowl is Big 12 vs PAC with MW backup but I've been wrong before, LOL.

I was just talking about situations where it truly is an open situation and the bowl has its free pick of teams.

(11-30-2014 05:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 05:05 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 03:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

Independance bowl is covered. So a back up agreement us void at this point.

Not talking about Duck Bowl but the AF as a back up for CUSA. Just trying to figure out if that is correct or not since that may be open.

The Armed Forces bowl has a backup deal with the Big 12 should (as in this case) Army not fill its spot.

C-USA has no backup agreement with C-USA so if the Big 12 can't fill the AF slot a C-USA team wouldn't have a preference over teams from any other conferences.

But since the Big 12 almost surely will not fill the Armed Forces slot, it should be there for C-USA team or someone else.

UAB will probably be out due to their football team getting cancelled this week. They'd ONLY go and hold off cancelling it if they were going to a bowl that would surely bring in good $$ (like WMU going to the Detroit Bowl vs a B1G team would). Not going to happen.

So, 78 teams going to bowls, but add Temple in there -- they'll win to be bowl eligible, so we'll end with 79.

(11-30-2014 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 05:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 05:05 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 03:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

Independance bowl is covered. So a back up agreement us void at this point.

Not talking about Duck Bowl but the AF as a back up for CUSA. Just trying to figure out if that is correct or not since that may be open.

The Armed Forces bowl has a backup deal with the Big 12 should (as in this case) Army not fill its spot.

C-USA has no backup agreement with C-USA so if the Big 12 can't fill the AF slot a C-USA team wouldn't have a preference over teams from any other conferences.

But since the Big 12 almost surely will not fill the Armed Forces slot, it should be there for C-USA team or someone else.

Again, I am just asking about AF since in June 2014 it was listed as a backup in the CUSA link provided earlier. I am curious when that changed? I was saying when ESPN bought the HOD, I thought that was option provided to the C-USA. Why I went backed an look. One thing I have learned about projections, most don't know the backup agreements.

(11-30-2014 06:16 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  ... Buffalo because they are actually double-conditionally eligible. They would need an NCAA waiver for having missed a game due to bad weather, and then another for playing two FCS teams.

There is no such waiver available to count a missed game as a win instead. Remember that eligibility is not based on playing 12 games, its simply based on eligible wins being greater than or equal to losses ... just like a school that plays 13 regular season games on the Hawaii exception needs a 7-6 (or 6-6-1, or 6-5-2 or ...) record to be bowl eligible.

I reckon that the MAC will simply place a school in each of its primary contracted bowls and that will be that. AFAICT, its back-up agreements except Detroit seem to be part of an ESPN-bowl pool, and with both the B1G and the ACC having enough schools to the Detroit bowl, 6-6 OhioU will not get an invite.

(11-30-2014 08:55 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 06:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 05:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 05:05 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  

(11-30-2014 03:15 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  Again, I think part of ESPN buying HOD was getting a backup to AF. Here is http://www.goutsa.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=

C-USA has secondary agreements with two bowls also located right within the league's footprint, giving teams the opportunities to participate in the Lockheed Martin Armed Forces Bowl in Fort Worth and the Duck Commander Independence Bowl in Shreveport, La. So unless it is written somewhere they can drop CUSA for a P5, I assume it will go to CUSA. I think Temple (Which Aersco sold their spot to CUSA for BYU) and the Sun Belt will be out.

Now here is a bold prediction, Ninja Swofford will work the Deal for ND to be the At-large bid to ensure all ACC teams are placed. If the ACC gets the NYD BBW game, then all times are covered.

Independance bowl is covered. So a back up agreement us void at this point.

Not talking about Duck Bowl but the AF as a back up for CUSA. Just trying to figure out if that is correct or not since that may be open.

The Armed Forces bowl has a backup deal with the Big 12 should (as in this case) Army not fill its spot.

C-USA has no backup agreement with C-USA so if the Big 12 can't fill the AF slot a C-USA team wouldn't have a preference over teams from any other conferences.

But since the Big 12 almost surely will not fill the Armed Forces slot, it should be there for C-USA team or someone else.

Again, I am just asking about AF since in June 2014 it was listed as a backup in the CUSA link provided earlier. I am curious when that changed? I was saying when ESPN bought the HOD, I thought that was option provided to the C-USA. Why I went backed an look. One thing I have learned about projections, most don't know the backup agreements.

They have a secondary tie to that bowl same as MAC and other G5 within the ESPN bowl pool. Per the Xmas bowl (tweet I think), the PAC chose to put their 8th possible selection in the ESPN pool over the proposed bowl. According to this article, AF is in play for the PAC depending on how things shake out. The PAC does have history with this bowl as it used to be a MWC vs. PAC/CUSA bowl and is now for the most part MWC/AAC vs. B1G/Big 12. MAC agreements are interesting. They are guaranteed 5 primary ties, but IIRC there is at least one, maybe more, year(s) where only 4 are set. Seems like I saw it on the MAC website way back when, but could be wrong. Potentially, that could set up a situation where their backup agreements take priority over other ESPN bowl pool candidates in order to fulfill the guarantee.