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(12-01-2014 10:54 PM)CameramanJ Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 10:44 PM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 02:46 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Not trying to start BT hate thread, but what did Blaine hate?

Outstanding high school/juco jumpshooters

For a long time, a cold upper lip

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Anyone notice the excitement in Jeff Jones voice last night in the post game? We may have underestimated the hunger that Jones has to show the country he can coach. And it's not just Jones, I love the entire coaching staff that has been assembled. Bryant Stith is a class act and he put together the scouting report to put this Mason team away last night.

I wonder what happens if Jones gets an offer from someone like Wake Forest? Do we try to pay him to stay or let him go?

(12-04-2014 08:55 AM)JJMonarch Wrote:  Anyone notice the excitement in Jeff Jones voice last night in the post game? We may have underestimated the hunger that Jones has to show the country he can coach. And it's not just Jones, I love the entire coaching staff that has been assembled. Bryant Stith is a class act and he put together the scouting report to put this Mason team away last night.

Here is my speculation on why he was so fired up. I could be dead wrong

He's a very even keeled business natured type of person...BUT...this was close to being personal for him because he lived in the shadow of Mason during their big runs and he recruited most of those players. Nearly every player on Mason that he beat last night, he at one point lost in a recruiting battle.

Also, he realized the magnitude of bottling up that VCU win and following it up with a win like that on the road.

(12-04-2014 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder what happens if Jones gets an offer from someone like Wake Forest? Do we try to pay him to stay or let him go?

Wow.

A) Wake Forest just hired Danny Manning. They wont' be firing him any time soon.
B) I think JJ is a great coach. But, he's not getting looks from any better jobs until he wins something. While we know what it has taken for him to turn this around so quickly, the BCS schools want wins in the Tournament. We have a ways to go before we get there.

(12-04-2014 09:17 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:03 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I wonder what happens if Jones gets an offer from someone like Wake Forest? Do we try to pay him to stay or let him go?

Wow.

A) Wake Forest just hired Danny Manning. They wont' be firing him any time soon.
B) I think JJ is a great coach. But, he's not getting looks from any better jobs until he wins something. While we know what it has taken for him to turn this around so quickly, the BCS schools want wins in the Tournament. We have a ways to go before we get there.

That doesn't answer the question. It is a hypothetical.

I love it!

We do have a really good coaching staff. And don't forget coach Richardson. He is the guy who got us Mosely. The whole group are good. And when you read about who they are recruiting down the road, well that is just impressive. Especially when they are in the stands at our invite. Things are really looking up.

(12-04-2014 09:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  That doesn't answer the question. It is a hypothetical.

I think B does answer it though. The big schools want tourney wins and tourney runs.

If JJ gets to the point where an ACC school is looking at him, I think we'll have been very happy with what transpired at ODU.

That said, this is one reason I preferred someone like JJ to the next "hot young coach". If a hot young guy gets the job, then pulls off one NCAA upset, he could jump. I don't see that same thing with JJ. I could be wrong, but that's my take.

(12-04-2014 09:42 AM)djnva Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  That doesn't answer the question. It is a hypothetical.

I think B does answer it though. The big schools want tourney wins and tourney runs.

If JJ gets to the point where an ACC school is looking at him, I think we'll have been very happy with what transpired at ODU.

That said, this is one reason I preferred someone like JJ to the next "hot young coach". If a hot young guy gets the job, then pulls off one NCAA upset, he could jump. I don't see that same thing with JJ. I could be wrong, but that's my take.

So you are saying we let him go?

(12-04-2014 09:42 AM)djnva Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  That doesn't answer the question. It is a hypothetical.

I think B does answer it though. The big schools want tourney wins and tourney runs.

If JJ gets to the point where an ACC school is looking at him, I think we'll have been very happy with what transpired at ODU.

That said, this is one reason I preferred someone like JJ to the next "hot young coach". If a hot young guy gets the job, then pulls off one NCAA upset, he could jump. I don't see that same thing with JJ. I could be wrong, but that's my take.

I don't so much mind him, our anyone else leaving while we are on top. It could be seen as an opportunity as long as the infrastructure is in place and we do a good job of hiring. See VCU, Butler, even Gonzaga. All got better with each successive coach during their building processes.

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Remember we were paying BT almost 50% more than JJ, Wood has a lot of room to match offers. On the non-hypothetical side, JJ is still married, his wife lives in DC and has a very successful job. I don't think he wants to stretch the distance more than 3hrs.

This win was huge for him and the staff. We recruited against Mason and a few players went to GMU, like freshman Trey Porter. I really wanted him to be a Monarch after watching Potomac play in the state championship. I believe this staff has a good eye for talent and anytime you beat a team you recruit against, it's a good win.

(12-04-2014 10:47 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:42 AM)djnva Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  That doesn't answer the question. It is a hypothetical.

I think B does answer it though. The big schools want tourney wins and tourney runs.

If JJ gets to the point where an ACC school is looking at him, I think we'll have been very happy with what transpired at ODU.

That said, this is one reason I preferred someone like JJ to the next "hot young coach". If a hot young guy gets the job, then pulls off one NCAA upset, he could jump. I don't see that same thing with JJ. I could be wrong, but that's my take.

I don't so much mind him, our anyone else leaving while we are on top. It could be seen as an opportunity as long as the infrastructure is in place and we do a good job of hiring. See VCU, Butler, even Gonzaga. All got better with each successive coach during their building processes.

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I guess it depends on how you define "on top".

Let's say we have a great year, end up in the top 25, but lose our 1st round tourney game. If this happens, we'd have to let him go (where would the money come from?).

On the other hand, let's say we make a Sweet 16 run and earn 3 tourney credits. Do we reinvest that money like VCU did to retain Shaka or do we let him go and hire someone else in the <$500k range, dumping the NCAA tournament money into football ventures instead?

I know this is all hypothetical, but this is really the true "pulse of Monarch Nation", much more so than whether you would rather watch the basketball game against VCU or the football game against FAU.

Bottom line JJ seems pretty sharp to me and he has seen what life in the fast lane can lead too. JJ stays at ODU for a good ride with his buddy Bryant Stith and a program on the rise.

(12-04-2014 11:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 10:47 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:42 AM)djnva Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 09:39 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  That doesn't answer the question. It is a hypothetical.

I think B does answer it though. The big schools want tourney wins and tourney runs.

If JJ gets to the point where an ACC school is looking at him, I think we'll have been very happy with what transpired at ODU.

That said, this is one reason I preferred someone like JJ to the next "hot young coach". If a hot young guy gets the job, then pulls off one NCAA upset, he could jump. I don't see that same thing with JJ. I could be wrong, but that's my take.

I don't so much mind him, our anyone else leaving while we are on top. It could be seen as an opportunity as long as the infrastructure is in place and we do a good job of hiring. See VCU, Butler, even Gonzaga. All got better with each successive coach during their building processes.

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I guess it depends on how you define "on top".

Let's say we have a great year, end up in the top 25, but lose our 1st round tourney game. If this happens, we'd have to let him go (where would the money come from?).

On the other hand, let's say we make a Sweet 16 run and earn 3 tourney credits. Do we reinvest that money like VCU did to retain Shaka or do we let him go and hire someone else in the <$500k range, dumping the NCAA tournament money into football ventures instead?

I know this is all hypothetical, but this is really the true "pulse of Monarch Nation", much more so than whether you would rather watch the basketball game against VCU or the football game against FAU.

It's kind of early for all of this, but I like the optomism. It's very refreshing! I have posted a link to an article in which it says Wichita State's FF run will end up netting them about 80K per year for the next six years. If ODU were to end up making a Sweet Sixteen run I say re-invest in basketball, whatever the amount. That money would have a far greater impact on our bball program than it would on football.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2...6-million/

I think Jeff Jones has a high level of comfort at ODU, and although few are immune to a hefty pay raise, he has been around enough to know what kind of pressures accompany a P5 head coaching job.

I think I'm more worried about our assistants being poached. I would really like to keep the staff Coach Jones assembled together. For me, the best insurance plan if Coach Jones goes on a tourney run and gets an offer is the ability to promote from within.

Yeah, I know this talk is early and overly optimistic, but I am still interested in hearing thoughts. Plus, we don't have a game to talk about for another 10 days.

(12-04-2014 09:47 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  So you are saying we let him go?

I'm saying that if some school comes looking at JJ because we made a Sweet 16 or 2, while I won't like losing him, I know that I will have had a hell of a lot of fun watching those teams and that tradeoff is worth it.

If his teams never really move beyond an odd NCAA win every few seasons, then no one will come looking anyway.

Quote:Let's say we have a great year, end up in the top 25, but lose our 1st round tourney game. If this happens, we'd have to let him go (where would the money come from?).

I don't think this would be enough to make schools come after him.

(12-04-2014 11:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  *
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I know this is all hypothetical, but this is really the true "pulse of Monarch Nation", much more so than whether you would rather watch the basketball game against VCU or the football game against FAU.

Hypotheticals can be a very useful cognitive tool -- for example when they force people to think through the logical consequences of a particular decision tree. I don't think that this hypothetical serves any such useful purpose.

Our only goal at this point is to keep winning games. (We are not, like our friends up at GMU, considering the benefits of losing so as to accelerate the inevitable termination of the head coach.) Thus, there is no real point to this hypothetical -- other than perhaps to cause Wood Selig to lose some sleep (which I suppose may itself be a worthy goal).



A better hypothetical question for the forum is, if we get ranked do we (like the unwashed, overfed and insecure VCU fanbase) hang a banner?

(12-04-2014 12:34 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  *
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I know this is all hypothetical, but this is really the true "pulse of Monarch Nation", much more so than whether you would rather watch the basketball game against VCU or the football game against FAU.

Hypotheticals can be a very useful cognitive tool -- for example when they force people to think through the logical consequences of a particular decision tree. I don't think that this hypothetical serves any such useful purpose.

Our only goal at this point is to keep winning games. (We are not, like our friends up at GMU, considering the benefits of losing so as to accelerate the inevitable termination of the head coach.) Thus, there is no real point to this hypothetical -- other than perhaps to cause Wood Selig to lose some sleep (which I suppose may itself be a worthy goal).



A better hypothetical question for the forum is, if we get ranked do we (like the unwashed, overfed and insecure VCU fanbase) hang a banner?

I suppose we could talk about North Carolina A&T for the next 2 weeks.

(12-04-2014 12:51 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:34 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 11:07 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  *
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I know this is all hypothetical, but this is really the true "pulse of Monarch Nation", much more so than whether you would rather watch the basketball game against VCU or the football game against FAU.

Hypotheticals can be a very useful cognitive tool -- for example when they force people to think through the logical consequences of a particular decision tree. I don't think that this hypothetical serves any such useful purpose.

Our only goal at this point is to keep winning games. (We are not, like our friends up at GMU, considering the benefits of losing so as to accelerate the inevitable termination of the head coach.) Thus, there is no real point to this hypothetical -- other than perhaps to cause Wood Selig to lose some sleep (which I suppose may itself be a worthy goal).



A better hypothetical question for the forum is, if we get ranked do we (like the unwashed, overfed and insecure VCU fanbase) hang a banner?

I suppose we could talk about North Carolina A&T for the next 2 weeks.

I believe Capel left NC-AT to come coach us. I wonder if that ticked off their fan base at the time and they never got over it. could make for an exciting game!