(11-29-2014 11:38 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  I think i get it now the team that beats another team on the field is actually not a better team.
So tcu is better than baylor.
With that reasoning how does one decide the national championship. See who wins then vote on it?

Don't forget, it doesn't matter that Alabama already beat MSU once. MSU deserves a shot to create a muddled National Championship. Either MSU beats Alabama and the two of them end up 1-1 for the season. That is textbook definition of how you minimize the value of regular season play.

Alabama beats MSU, Alabama goes to the SEC Championship Game. Alabama beats Missouri in the SEC Championship Game. Alabama loses to MSU in the first round of the National Championship Tournament?

We saw how having to play Alabama again caused LSU to come out flat in the National Championship. One can argue that is their fault but these are not so adult human beings. LSU didn't deserve to have to beat Alabama again just like Alabama doesn't deserve to have to beat MSU again. They play in the same division.

The Baylor/TCU issue isn't as big of a deal yet as neither of them are in the top 4.

(11-29-2014 11:38 AM)cleburneslim Wrote:  I think i get it now the team that beats another team on the field is actually not a better team.
So tcu is better than baylor.
With that reasoning how does one decide the national championship. See who wins then vote on it?

So is Florida better than Georgia?


It's not a 1 game season. It's a 12 game season and all 12 games must be taken into account. Both TCU and Baylor are 1 loss conference champions. However TCU has the better overall resume due to the fact that they played 8 win Minnesota OOC, whereas Baylor played Buffalo OOC.

We already know MSU is going to give Bama a decent game on a neutral field. We know that OSU has struggled at home against Indiana. They were only up 7 pts in the fourth against a horrible UM team even with Barrett on the field. Double OT vs PSU. They just aren't a top 4 ball club in the country by any measure.

It really comes down to TCU and Baylor, and to me, TCU lost to Baylor, but had the better OOC game. Their conference schedule has been a wash. Loss on the road each. Some decisive wins in conference play. Some ugly wins. That's not enough to separate either one. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Give MSU another game. They will play them close on a neutral field. They deserve another shot. That's my logic. To me, I can't take any of those three over MSU with the way things stand... as of this moment. More football is left to be played thankfully.

(11-29-2014 04:03 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  We already know MSU is going to give Bama a decent game on a neutral field. We know that OSU has struggled at home against Indiana. They were only up 7 pts in the fourth against a horrible UM team even with Barrett on the field. Double OT vs PSU. They just aren't a top 4 ball club in the country by any measure.

It really comes down to TCU and Baylor, and to me, TCU lost to Baylor, but had the better OOC game. Their conference schedule has been a wash. Loss on the road each. Some decisive wins in conference play. Some ugly wins. That's not enough to separate either one. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Give MSU another game. They will play them close on a neutral field. They deserve another shot. That's my logic. To me, I can't take any of those three over MSU with the way things stand... as of this moment. More football is left to be played thankfully.

Indiana beat one of the teams going into the SEC Championship Game whom also happens to be ranked. I am sorry but you are simply drinking the Kool Aid. We get it, you wish Rutgers was in a different conference. Some of us do too at this point.

In terms of Miss State? They got to get past Ole Miss first.

(11-29-2014 04:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  In terms of Miss State? They got to get past Ole Miss first.

Dang right! Hotty Toddy!!

(11-29-2014 11:26 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

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(11-29-2014 11:13 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  If head to head is to be used AT ALL then MSU should not be allowed in the top four as long as a team from their own division that has beaten them and that is the top team in the division is there.

All this talk about Baylor vs TCU head to head is pointless as long as MSU is allowed in the top 4. Sorry guys. Head to head doesn't matter at all if MSU gets in.

Why on earth is MSS losing to Alabama worse than OSU losing to Virginia Tech?

I just love how you try to deflect by not acknowledging that this is also about Baylor and TCU.

People who aren't hilariously biased and mentally challenged, they actually do the research and see how badly VT has been hit by injuries this year. They also look and realize that was when Ohio State had lost their Heisman candidate Quarterback and were trying to get their offense figured out with a frosh QB.

VT played a style of defense suited for an offense unsure of itself and it was a very smart defensive gameplan. VT wouldn't run that gameplan in a rematch with Ohio State and OSU would obliterate them because OSU is a much different team now then they were then. MSU isn't a different team than when they played Alabama.

I could point out that OSU lost their QB two weeks before the season, so the new guy had a decent amount of practice time running the offense, plus he had a game under his belt versus Navy, a game in which he played very well. So that's one excuse eliminated.

I could point out that there's no evidence that injuries have hit VT harder than most other teams, and that in any event, injuries are part of the game - the next guy steps up and gets the job done. Also that VT lost the very next week (after thrashing Ohio State) at home to a mediocre ECU team - did they suffer a billion injuries in practice in between those games?

But I won't, because that would just be sinking to your level of excuse-making. Any time any team wins or loses, there are reasons for it, but since that's true for all teams and all games, it makes no sense to pick apart VT vs OSU and make excuses for what was a TERRIBLE loss. Losing AT HOME by 14 points to a 6-6 football team.

Anyone with an intelligent brain knows that excuses are for losers, or else they are B1G homers desperate to rationalize something that can't be rationalized.

I think the evidence is clear that you lack an intelligent brain, and are also a B1G rationalizer, hence your belief that OSU should get a pass for their awful loss versus VT.

Now that MSU is out, clearly Rutgers clinches a spot after a comeback win in Maryland. OSU didn't beat us by enough points earlier and Barrett is gone. Do the right thing committee.

Mississippi State clearly deserves a spot in the Playoff. Clearly. Anyone with a brain can see that.

How about Texas Tech coming back against Baylor though huh?

Baylor gave the committee the perfect out. They need WU to win. Simple as that. Even then they won't jump TCU.

(11-29-2014 08:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Baylor gave the committee the perfect out. They need WU to win. Simple as that. Even then they won't jump TCU.

Technically speaking, it is still possible that we end up seeing both TCU and Baylor.

(11-29-2014 08:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  Baylor gave the committee the perfect out. They need WU to win. Simple as that. Even then they won't jump TCU.

You mean the same way TCU did two weeks ago when they barely beat Kansas, who is way worse than Tech, by only 4 pts.? Or when TCU beat Oklahoma in Ft. Worth by 4 pts.? Both teams have their rough wins. If both win out the committee will have to put Baylor ahead.

Get back to me after a blowout win against KSU. To squander a lead like that at this stage is just unacceptable. The rankings will reflect that next week. OSU is in the driver seat IMO so this is a moot point, but they will probably be big underdogs.

Funny, the OSU fans have been clinging to losing their starting QB for the VT loss and getting a pass from most. Yet we lose ours with a cheap shot, still win and it isn't good enough.

There is something in football called defense. Maybe the Big 12 can try to play that once in a while.

I actually think OSU benefits from losing a QB, because now we see just how good their team is. If they win with a third stringer, that trumps the Big 12 IMO.

Until today's game, Baylor lead the Big 12 in Defense and was ranked in the Top 20 nationally. Don't know what the hell happened today, but Baylor has a better defense than TCU. 61-58 is evidence enough of that. There is something called offense, that Baylor leads the nation in as well.

I don't know, they have a shot to jump them next week. They NEED style points. Ranked team. At home. Coupled with the Minnesota loss today. Go blow out the Wildcats. Otherwise they need help.

(11-29-2014 09:30 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  There is something in football called defense. Maybe the Big 12 can try to play that once in a while.

I actually think OSU benefits from losing a QB, because now we see just how good their team is. If they win with a third stringer, that trumps the Big 12 IMO.

Right, because that MSU-OSU game was a defensive stalemate.

Face it, the art of a stalwart defense is a dying species in today's football. It is all about making that one big stop nowadays.

Discounting the BIG 12 for a perceived lack of defense is disingenuous.

(11-29-2014 10:14 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  Until today's game, Baylor lead the Big 12 in Defense and was ranked in the Top 20 nationally. Don't know what the hell happened today, but Baylor has a better defense than TCU. 61-58 is evidence enough of that. There is something called offense, that Baylor leads the nation in as well.

61-58 is not evidence that the winning side has a better defense than the losing one ... it is rather evidence that the defense on both sides are over-matched by the offense on both sides.

If over 100 points are scored in the game and the winning margin is within 10% of the losing margin, it could more easily be taken as evidence that Baylor had better luck on the day.

(11-30-2014 12:10 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Right, because that MSU-OSU game was a defensive stalemate.

There were more drives stopped than drives scoring in the 1st, 2nd and 4th quarters. It wasn't a defensive stalemate, but the drive chart does not make it look like the first string defense of both teams had got lost on their way to the stadium.

Baylor looks a lot like OSU with QB issues. TCU should be the obvious choice.

(11-29-2014 10:14 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  Until today's game, Baylor lead the Big 12 in Defense and was ranked in the Top 20 nationally. Don't know what the hell happened today, but Baylor has a better defense than TCU. 61-58 is evidence enough of that. There is something called offense, that Baylor leads the nation in as well.

Ummmmmm no. TCU defense is better than Baylor. That 61-58 is not what I would call evidence to support your claim. Why? Because who the hell uses a 61-58 score to say someone defense is better than the other?