What would be a doomsday scenario for the last two weeks?

Obviously, you can start predicting EVERYONE in the top 10 loses...which is almost what happened in 2007. But think about this.

Alabama loses to Auburn.
MSU loses to Ole Miss.
Georgia loses to GaTech.

SEC champ game--10-2 bama vs. 9-3 UGA.

UGA wins...

Oregon #1 12-1
FSU #2 13-0
TCU #3 11-1
OSU #4 12-1

I guess I created more of an "SEC doomsday" theory here, which is TONS of fun to think about, but what other scenarios can you guys envision where the final CFP might end up DRASTICALLY different than what we currently think is "likely," which is exactly what happened in 2007?

I favor an 8-team playoff with automatic bids going to the champions of the five P5 leagues.

Therefore, I think it is best for the game itself if either the SEC or the Big Ten is frozen out of the Final Four. If either of those leagues is frozen out of the playoff more than once, there will be significant changes to the entire structure to ensure it does not happen again.

The scenario you describe has been discussed already. I guess we'll know if there's anything to it tomorrow...

(11-28-2014 09:07 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  What would be a doomsday scenario for the last two weeks?

Obviously, you can start predicting EVERYONE in the top 10 loses...which is almost what happened in 2007. But think about this.

Alabama loses to Auburn.
MSU loses to Ole Miss.
Georgia loses to GaTech.

SEC champ game--10-2 bama vs. 9-3 UGA.

UGA wins...

Oregon #1 12-1
FSU #2 13-0
TCU #3 11-1
OSU #4 12-1

I guess I created more of an "SEC doomsday" theory here, which is TONS of fun to think about, but what other scenarios can you guys envision where the final CFP might end up DRASTICALLY different than what we currently think is "likely," which is exactly what happened in 2007?

Throw in FSU losing to a Florida team that, while in a coach-killing tailspin, did beat one of their two biggest rivals a few weeks ago even though UGA was a big favorite.

Whoever comes out of the PAC-12 South is a legitimate challenge for Oregon.

Together with the IRon Bowl and Egg Bowl, that puts the entire top 4 in real jeopardy.

That makes the semifinals something like
TCU
Ohio State
SEC champ (UGA? Bama?)
SEC West? UCLA?

I'm in it for the anarchy.

Oregon wins out 12-1
Florida State wins out 13-0
Ohio State wins out 12-1
Baylor and TCU win out 11-1
Mississippi State wins 11-1
Alabama beats Auburn loses To Missouri in SEC title game. 11-2
Missouri is also 11-2

Pick your four

(11-28-2014 09:18 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  I favor an 8-team playoff with automatic bids going to the champions of the five P5 leagues.

Therefore, I think it is best for the game itself if either the SEC or the Big Ten is frozen out of the Final Four. If either of those leagues is frozen out of the playoff more than once, there will be significant changes to the entire structure to ensure it does not happen again.

Well you could have his doomsday SEC scenario + Ohio St. losing 1 of their last two games. Then you have Oregon, FSU, TCU and Baylor. But its hard to see Alabama or MSU being left out if one of those 4 loses. I think its unlikely those 4 all win out.

Alabama (11-1) beats Auburn
Mississippi State (11-1) beats Ole Miss
Arkansas beats Missouri (9-3)
Georgia (10-2) crushes Georgia Tech (9-3)
Georgia (11-2) edges Alabama (11-2)
Florida beats Florida State (11-1) badly
Georgia Tech (10-3) easily handles Florida State (11-2)
Michigan upsets Ohio State (10-2)
Minnesota (9-3) beats Wisconsin (9-3)
Minnesota (10-3) beats Ohio State (10-3)
Oregon State beats Oregon (10-2)
Stanford beats UCLA (9-3)
Arizona State (10-2) beats Arizona (9-3)
Arizona State (11-2) beats Oregon (10-3)
Kansas upsets Kansas State (8-3)
Texas Tech upsets Baylor (9-2)
Kansas State (9-3) beats Baylor (9-3)
Iowa State upsets TCU (10-2)

Committee names Arizona State the #1 seed and three SEC schools to the playoff.
Rose Bowl - #1 ASU vs #4 Alabama
Sugar Bowl - #2 Mississippi State vs. #3 Georgia

To the haters

(11-28-2014 10:17 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Alabama (11-1) beats Auburn
Mississippi State (11-1) beats Ole Miss
Georgia (10-2) crushes Georgia Tech (9-3)
Georgia (11-2) edges Alabama (11-2)
Florida beats Florida State (11-1) badly
Georgia Tech (10-3) easily handles Florida State (11-2)
Michigan upsets Ohio State (10-2)
Minnesota (9-3) beats Wisconsin (9-3)
Minnesota (10-3) beats Ohio State (10-3)
Oregon State beats Oregon (10-2)
Stanford beats UCLA (9-3)
Arizona State (10-2) beats Arizona (9-3)
Arizona State (11-2) beats Oregon (10-3)
Kansas upsets Kansas State (8-3)
Texas Tech upsets Baylor (9-2)
Kansas State (9-3) beats Baylor (9-3)
Iowa State upsets TCU (10-2)

Committee names Arizona State the #1 seed and three SEC schools to the playoff.
Rose Bowl - #1 ASU vs #4 Alabama
Sugar Bowl - #2 Mississippi State vs. #3 Georgia

To the haters

The ironic thing about this post is that it really just makes you out to be the hater.

For a fan of a conference to think that it makes any sense at all to have three teams out of the same conference in a National Tournament, it just goes to show that you guys cant be reasonable. You go about this for all the wrong reasons.

Perhaps you are afraid that the SEC really isn't all that strong this year and has survived on propaganda and previous year's results. You want as many SEC teams in as possible to help with your odds? That must be it. You are afraid. You are afraid of Oregon. You are afraid of Florida State and you are deathly afraid of Ohio State getting a win against an SEC team. Despite the history, you are still afraid of that outcome because of how you would react to it.

You are so afraid of these possibilities that you just want to see those possibilities completely removed from even being possible. Don't worry though, you are not alone. Every other crazy SEC fan is just like you. They mask their fear with pride as well.

(11-28-2014 10:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:17 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Alabama (11-1) beats Auburn
Mississippi State (11-1) beats Ole Miss
Georgia (10-2) crushes Georgia Tech (9-3)
Georgia (11-2) edges Alabama (11-2)
Florida beats Florida State (11-1) badly
Georgia Tech (10-3) easily handles Florida State (11-2)
Michigan upsets Ohio State (10-2)
Minnesota (9-3) beats Wisconsin (9-3)
Minnesota (10-3) beats Ohio State (10-3)
Oregon State beats Oregon (10-2)
Stanford beats UCLA (9-3)
Arizona State (10-2) beats Arizona (9-3)
Arizona State (11-2) beats Oregon (10-3)
Kansas upsets Kansas State (8-3)
Texas Tech upsets Baylor (9-2)
Kansas State (9-3) beats Baylor (9-3)
Iowa State upsets TCU (10-2)

Committee names Arizona State the #1 seed and three SEC schools to the playoff.
Rose Bowl - #1 ASU vs #4 Alabama
Sugar Bowl - #2 Mississippi State vs. #3 Georgia

To the haters

The ironic thing about this post is that it really just makes you out to be the hater.

For a fan of a conference to think that it makes any sense at all to have three teams out of the same conference in a National Tournament, it just goes to show that you guys cant be reasonable. You go about this for all the wrong reasons.

Do you think it was nonsensical for two SEC teams to be in the NCAA Final 4 last spring? Or two ACC teams in the 2004 Final or 4? Or how about three Big East teams in the 1985 Final 4?

If not, then why would you have a problem with 2 or 3 teams from a single conference being in the CFP playoffs? That's just a Final 4 too.

The doomsday scenario is all 10 conference champions winning out, for good measure a second Sun Belt team doing so (since they all don't play each other), and multiple B1G, SEC, ACC and C-USA schools plus all of the indies (4).

Before the season, it would have included three AAC teams winning out, though that won't be an issue now that the league will have a title game.

Add it all up and that is about 20 teams winning out and making people wonder who deserves what.

(11-28-2014 10:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:17 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Alabama (11-1) beats Auburn
Mississippi State (11-1) beats Ole Miss
Georgia (10-2) crushes Georgia Tech (9-3)
Georgia (11-2) edges Alabama (11-2)
Florida beats Florida State (11-1) badly
Georgia Tech (10-3) easily handles Florida State (11-2)
Michigan upsets Ohio State (10-2)
Minnesota (9-3) beats Wisconsin (9-3)
Minnesota (10-3) beats Ohio State (10-3)
Oregon State beats Oregon (10-2)
Stanford beats UCLA (9-3)
Arizona State (10-2) beats Arizona (9-3)
Arizona State (11-2) beats Oregon (10-3)
Kansas upsets Kansas State (8-3)
Texas Tech upsets Baylor (9-2)
Kansas State (9-3) beats Baylor (9-3)
Iowa State upsets TCU (10-2)

Committee names Arizona State the #1 seed and three SEC schools to the playoff.
Rose Bowl - #1 ASU vs #4 Alabama
Sugar Bowl - #2 Mississippi State vs. #3 Georgia

To the haters

The ironic thing about this post is that it really just makes you out to be the hater.

For a fan of a conference to think that it makes any sense at all to have three teams out of the same conference in a National Tournament, it just goes to show that you guys cant be reasonable. You go about this for all the wrong reasons.

Do you think it was nonsensical for two SEC teams to be in the NCAA Final 4 last spring? Or two ACC teams in the 2004 Final or 4? Or how about three Big East teams in the 1985 Final 4?

You are making a logical fallacy with your comparison. You are talking about the basketball tournament which starts with 68 teams to a tournament that starts with 4. There were plenty of teams from all regions and conferences at the start of that tournament. Your comparison makes no sense and so it ends right there.

(11-28-2014 10:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:17 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Alabama (11-1) beats Auburn
Mississippi State (11-1) beats Ole Miss
Georgia (10-2) crushes Georgia Tech (9-3)
Georgia (11-2) edges Alabama (11-2)
Florida beats Florida State (11-1) badly
Georgia Tech (10-3) easily handles Florida State (11-2)
Michigan upsets Ohio State (10-2)
Minnesota (9-3) beats Wisconsin (9-3)
Minnesota (10-3) beats Ohio State (10-3)
Oregon State beats Oregon (10-2)
Stanford beats UCLA (9-3)
Arizona State (10-2) beats Arizona (9-3)
Arizona State (11-2) beats Oregon (10-3)
Kansas upsets Kansas State (8-3)
Texas Tech upsets Baylor (9-2)
Kansas State (9-3) beats Baylor (9-3)
Iowa State upsets TCU (10-2)

Committee names Arizona State the #1 seed and three SEC schools to the playoff.
Rose Bowl - #1 ASU vs #4 Alabama
Sugar Bowl - #2 Mississippi State vs. #3 Georgia

To the haters

The ironic thing about this post is that it really just makes you out to be the hater.

For a fan of a conference to think that it makes any sense at all to have three teams out of the same conference in a National Tournament, it just goes to show that you guys cant be reasonable. You go about this for all the wrong reasons.

Perhaps you are afraid that the SEC really isn't all that strong this year and has survived on propaganda and previous year's results. You want as many SEC teams in as possible to help with your odds? That must be it. You are afraid. You are afraid of Oregon. You are afraid of Florida State and you are deathly afraid of Ohio State getting a win against an SEC team. Despite the history, you are still afraid of that outcome because of how you would react to it.

You are so afraid of these possibilities that you just want to see those possibilities completely removed from even being possible. Don't worry though, you are not alone. Every other crazy SEC fan is just like you. They mask their fear with pride as well.

There's no way the committee lets 3 two loss teams from the same conference in. They would be deposed that night. 3 one loss teams who only lost to each other is feasible, but not two loss teams.

(11-28-2014 10:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:17 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Alabama (11-1) beats Auburn
Mississippi State (11-1) beats Ole Miss
Georgia (10-2) crushes Georgia Tech (9-3)
Georgia (11-2) edges Alabama (11-2)
Florida beats Florida State (11-1) badly
Georgia Tech (10-3) easily handles Florida State (11-2)
Michigan upsets Ohio State (10-2)
Minnesota (9-3) beats Wisconsin (9-3)
Minnesota (10-3) beats Ohio State (10-3)
Oregon State beats Oregon (10-2)
Stanford beats UCLA (9-3)
Arizona State (10-2) beats Arizona (9-3)
Arizona State (11-2) beats Oregon (10-3)
Kansas upsets Kansas State (8-3)
Texas Tech upsets Baylor (9-2)
Kansas State (9-3) beats Baylor (9-3)
Iowa State upsets TCU (10-2)

Committee names Arizona State the #1 seed and three SEC schools to the playoff.
Rose Bowl - #1 ASU vs #4 Alabama
Sugar Bowl - #2 Mississippi State vs. #3 Georgia

To the haters

The ironic thing about this post is that it really just makes you out to be the hater.

For a fan of a conference to think that it makes any sense at all to have three teams out of the same conference in a National Tournament, it just goes to show that you guys cant be reasonable. You go about this for all the wrong reasons.

Do you think it was nonsensical for two SEC teams to be in the NCAA Final 4 last spring? Or two ACC teams in the 2004 Final or 4? Or how about three Big East teams in the 1985 Final 4?

If not, then why would you have a problem with 2 or 3 teams from a single conference being in the CFP playoffs? That's just a Final 4 too.

But its selected, not earned. Others don't get their shot. 3 out of 4 is not reasonable or rational given the limited interconference play.

A less convoluted scenario that would create some chaos:
Georgia Tech loses to Georgia, but beats FSU
ACC champion finishes 10-3
Minnesota beats Wisconsin and OSU
Big 10 champion finishes 10-3
Missouri beats Arkansas and Alabama
SEC champion finishes 11-2 but lost to Big 10's worst team
Stanford beats UCLA and...
Arizona State beats Arizona and Oregon
PAC12 champion finishes 11-2 but lost 62-27 to UCLA
In this scenario, any loss other than Baylor losing to Kansas State would be a horrible loss, so the likelihood would be that two Big XII teams would still be credible playoff teams.

I don't know who the committee would choose, but any thoughts of a champions-only playoff would certainly go out the window.

(11-28-2014 10:41 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:25 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 10:17 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Alabama (11-1) beats Auburn
Mississippi State (11-1) beats Ole Miss
Georgia (10-2) crushes Georgia Tech (9-3)
Georgia (11-2) edges Alabama (11-2)
Florida beats Florida State (11-1) badly
Georgia Tech (10-3) easily handles Florida State (11-2)
Michigan upsets Ohio State (10-2)
Minnesota (9-3) beats Wisconsin (9-3)
Minnesota (10-3) beats Ohio State (10-3)
Oregon State beats Oregon (10-2)
Stanford beats UCLA (9-3)
Arizona State (10-2) beats Arizona (9-3)
Arizona State (11-2) beats Oregon (10-3)
Kansas upsets Kansas State (8-3)
Texas Tech upsets Baylor (9-2)
Kansas State (9-3) beats Baylor (9-3)
Iowa State upsets TCU (10-2)

Committee names Arizona State the #1 seed and three SEC schools to the playoff.
Rose Bowl - #1 ASU vs #4 Alabama
Sugar Bowl - #2 Mississippi State vs. #3 Georgia

To the haters

The ironic thing about this post is that it really just makes you out to be the hater.

For a fan of a conference to think that it makes any sense at all to have three teams out of the same conference in a National Tournament, it just goes to show that you guys cant be reasonable. You go about this for all the wrong reasons.

Do you think it was nonsensical for two SEC teams to be in the NCAA Final 4 last spring? Or two ACC teams in the 2004 Final or 4? Or how about three Big East teams in the 1985 Final 4?

If not, then why would you have a problem with 2 or 3 teams from a single conference being in the CFP playoffs? That's just a Final 4 too.

But its selected, not earned. Others don't get their shot. 3 out of 4 is not reasonable or rational given the limited interconference play.

What if the NCAA basketball Final 4 was chosen by a committee and not performance in a 68 team tournament. And let's say that last year, that committee chose two SEC teams, Florida and Kentucky as two of the Final 4.

And let's also say that people who think that the Final 4 should consist only of 4 conference champions raised a ruckus about this, saying it's silly to have two teams from the same conference while leaving say the PAC conference champ out.

But would those people be right? Of course not, as the 68 team tournament showed that Kentucky and Florida really were two of the best four teams. If the committee had bowed to the pressure of the "conference champs only!" crowd, then an undeserving conference champ would have been put into the Final 4 over either UK or UF (I forget which one wasn't the SEC champ last year).

So I think the experience of the NCAA tournament clearly shows that it makes no sense to limit the CFP Final 4 to conference champs, and thus no more than a single team from any conference. The NCAA tournament tells us that it is often the case that a single conference does in fact have more than one of the best four teams. That's true in basketball so no reason to think it isn't also true in football.

The CFP committee should therefore pick who it thinks are the best 4 teams, regardless of whether they come from the same or different conferences.

Nice try. Comparing a 68 team tournament to a 4 team tournament is just plain silly. It doesn't prove that they should limit the field to just being teams from the same conference. It is a National Tournament. Miss State already lost to Alabama.

Eight team tournament? Sure, then rematches can be worked in during earlier rounds. Not with four teams. In the end I don't think the committee members will have the nerve to possibly set up a similar situation to the failure that was Alabama/LSU. The trio of TCU/OSU/Baylor likely provide a team that we see move up ahead of MSU according to the Committee.

I could easily see how someone could argue MSU deserves to be there based upon the rankings all year long but they lost their division battle. As long as the tournament is just four teams, it does NOT make sense to have MSU in there. We all realize you will never admit that, being that you are an SEC fanatic, but that does not matter in regards to what Actually makes sense.

Heinous, my original post in this thread was strictly a joke post specifically designed to create chaos and a scenario where multiple SEC schools make the playoff. It was a friendly dig at all of the SEC haters here and certainly not a scenario that I would want to happen. My dream scenario, before Ole Miss was exposed as a pretender, was TCU, Arizona State, Ole Miss and Mississippi State. That's not because of the SEC, but because I pull for Ole Miss, my son attends MSU, my brother and stepmother are TCU grads and another brother is an ASU season ticket holder. That will never happen and that's OK. I'd still rather the best teams get in regardless of conference.

But let me be clear. I like the SEC brand of football as a rule. I hated Auburn beating Alabama last year, not because I dislike Auburn because I don't. I just thought Alabama was the best team and felt they had a better chance against FSU in the title game. Yes, I wanted the SEC national title run to continue. Sue me. But don't mistake my preference for the SEC as disrespect for other programs around the nation. And never suppose to be able to project biases upon me that do not exist. I think Oregon may be the best team in the country. TCU and Baylor are both dangerous offenses. Ohio State may be one of the more complete teams in the nation. Just because I like the SEC doesn't mean I dislike everyone else. I'm a Texas fan by birth and over my 60 years I have picked up allegiances to schools in every part of the country, including the Big 10's Penn State. So keep acting like it is everyone else that is biased and you are the paragon of objectivity.

(11-28-2014 11:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nice try. Comparing a 68 team tournament to a 4 team tournament is just plain silly. It doesn't prove that they should limit the field to just being teams from the same conference. It is a National Tournament. Miss State already lost to Alabama.

Why should MSS losing to Alabama knock them out of the playoffs but Ohio State losing to vastly inferior VT means they are alive and kicking? Talk about making no sense.

BTW, I agree that comparing a 4-team tourney to the NCAA tournament doesn't prove that they should limit the field to just being teams from the same conference. It actually proves the exact opposite: Sometimes, two of the best four teams really are from the same conference, so the CFP committee should be open to selecting two teams from the same conference.

Alabama, FSU, and Oregon still have two tough games

I think UCLA has a great chance at beating Stanford, and then upsetting Oregon

(11-28-2014 11:35 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2014 11:04 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Nice try. Comparing a 68 team tournament to a 4 team tournament is just plain silly. It doesn't prove that they should limit the field to just being teams from the same conference. It is a National Tournament. Miss State already lost to Alabama.

Why should MSS losing to Alabama knock them out of the playoffs but Ohio State losing to vastly inferior VT means they are alive and kicking? Talk about making no sense.

BTW, I agree that comparing a 4-team tourney to the NCAA tournament doesn't prove that they should limit the field to just being teams from the same conference. It actually proves the exact opposite: Sometimes, two of the best four teams really are from the same conference, so the CFP committee should be open to selecting two teams from the same conference.

The fact that it doesn't make sense to you says everything that needs to be said.

Your last little statement defeats itself. The only way that we know the best two teams came from the same conference in basketball is precisely because it COULD be proven in that tournament. With a four team tournament, it cant be proven if you make that choice BEFORE competition. That is why MSU is likely taken out. If we had even a six team tournament then I think they would make it but a four team tournament is their enemy in this case.

MSU isn't proven to be one of the top four in the end. That is just where they stand now. We shall see how they fare against Ole Miss tomorrow. If it is a mediocre showing then look for them to be taken out of the top 4 even with a win. TCU will jump them after dominating both on offense and defense against Texas. Ole Miss's loss to Arkansas shows that any ranking at all for them is an overstatement at this point.