The SEC could take over the Southern States by raiding the Big XII and the ACC and the B1G could take over the Mid-West and Northeast by also raiding the Big 12 and ACC.

So what would the conferences look like if this happened:
The SEC takes Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke from the ACC and Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State from the Big 12. Giving them 20 schools.
The B1G takes Boston College and Syracuse from the ACC and UCONN from the AAC. Then to take over the Mid-West they add Kansas and Iowa State. With the ACC lose of UNC, UVA, Duke, BC, CUSE, the B1G is able to attract Notre Dame to get to 20 schools.
The PAC-12 also looks to go to 20 schools. They add Big 12 left overs Texas Tech and Kansas State but pass on the private Christian schools of TCU and Baylor. They then add Houston from the AAC for another Texas school and finally raid the Mountain West for New Mexico, Colorado State, Boise State, San Diego State, and Fresno State. Giving the PAC-12 twenty teams and becoming the PAC-20.

The Big 12 left overs Baylor,TCU, and West Virginia look for new conferences. Baylor and TCU come up with an old idea of forming a southern ivy league called the Magnolia League. They invite Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Miami, and Wake Forest as full members. Everyone excepts except Miami who wants to stay with Florida State in the ACC not be categorize as just a private school league. With Miami staying in the ACC Wake Forest joins the Magnolia League for football only and joins the Big East for all other sports. With just six full members the Magnolia League offers an invite to BYU for full membership and they accept but only with being able to have Air Force with them as a full-member. With BYU and AF as full members the Magnolia League is able to get Navy and Army as football only members with their other sports staying in the Patriot League.

With the ACC down to Pitt, Virginia Tech, Louisville, NC State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, and Miami. The ACC looks to the American conference (who is down to Temple, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, UCF, and South Florida) to merge conferences with the addition of West Virginia under the ACC name and continue a strong East Coast Conference that can compete with the B1G and the SEC. The ACC then adds Southern Miss to get to 16 schools and have the four team division playoff that the SEC, B1G, and PAC-20 are going to for bigger pay days. These teams in the ACC have a lot of history together and many of them have been independent and playing each other for years before the Big East and C-USA were formed for football schools and back to the Metro days in basketball. The only schools not in that group are NC State, Clemson, and Georgia Tech who roots go back to teams who are in the SEC now.

All of this causes the MWC (down to SJSU, HAWAII, UNLV, NEV, WYO, and USU) to take the western schools of the Sun Belt and C-USA. The MWC adds Idaho, NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, TX State, Louisiana, LA Tech, ULM, and Arkansas State and go to the 16 team conference with the four division play also.

The leftovers from C-USA and the Sun Belt merge into a new mid-major East Coast Conference under the C-USA name. They also add Liberty, James Madison, and Eastern Kentucky from FCS to get to 16 schools.

The MAC stays at 12! and UMASS drops back to FCS. Sorry UMASS.

Here is what the Conference look like after the chaos.



Biggest Winners:
1 SEC (Got Texas, Oklahoma, and North Carolina)
2 B1G (Got Kansas basketball, UCONN basketball, Northeastern schools, and of course the one and only Notre Dame)
3 Houston (Now in the PAC-20) andMountain West teams that got into the PAC
4 Idaho and New Mexico State now in western conference.
5 AAC Eastern schools, WVU, and USM all now in ACC with schools like Clemson and Florida State.
6 SMU, Rice, Tulsa, and Tulane now all in a conference with like minded schools.

Biggest Losers:
1 Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech got left in the ACC when everyone else went to the SEC.
2 Baylor and TCU no longer in Major Texas based conference
3 Texas Tech and Kansas State no longer with in-state schools in Big XII have to travel west now. (Not terrible though Kansas State still has Colorado schools and Texas Tech can create good rivalries with UNM, ASU, and Arizona.
4 MWC schools that got left behind like Utah State, Wyoming, San Jose State by their in-state schools and now must play in much larger geography sized conference.
5 The Sun Belt (it no longer exists)
6 UMASS has to drop down

That will never happen. The Big Ten wants to get in the south. Schools like UNC and Duke will never align themselves with the SEC because of academics.

Also, Boise to the Pac-12 will never happen because of academics.

I was all prepared to knock it, because so many of these are just bizarre. But beyond some minor problems with the western alignments, I actually like this realignment scenario. Sure, as an SEC fan, I might prefer adding a Kansas or Florida State, but if it turned out exactly this way, I'd be pretty happy.

(11-26-2014 12:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That will never happen. The Big Ten wants to get in the south. Schools like UNC and Duke will never align themselves with the SEC because of academics.

This is not true. UNC identifies itself as a southern school. I wouldn't use the word 'never'.

Texas has zero interest in the SEC (and only slightly more interest in the PAC for that matter)

Boise will never be in the PAC 12

20 team conferences are stupid there is already a lot of complaining by SEC fans about their teams not playing other SEC teams for the next 12-14 years and 20 just males it worst

this is the point where PODites always start talking about PODs and how great PODs are while ignoring the fact that more teams just means longer between periods of time when you play a particular team no matter how you formulate the conference overall and with 5 team PODs that pushes you into 9 conference games because you have 4 games in your POD and then you have to play another POD unless you are just going to make it stupid where you leave some particular team in another POD out of the rotation (which just makes PODs all the more stupid) and overall the SEC SEC SEC has ZERO ZERO ZERO interest in playing 9 conference games because they realize that strength for a conference comes from beating teams in other conferences not beating up on your fellow conference mates

also at this point Nebraska fans are also extremely displeased with how the rotation of Big 10 teams works out for them so if you think that they will be stuck in a POD with Kansas and Iowa State along with Iowa and Minnesota you are dreaming that would lead to Nebraska blowing things up worse than they did to move to the Big 10 to start they would be back on the phone with OU so fast your head would spin asking how they could get back with OU and begging OU to somehow find a way to ask Texas how they would feel about being in a conference with Nebraska without actually letting Texas know that they were desperate and actually wanted to play in a conference with Texas again......they were OK with the Big 10 alignment to start, but that was before they figured out they did not have an "easy path" to the CCG because Bo has to find a way to lose 4 games and even if they make the CCG they are so soft from their division play that the winner of the Legends (or is it Leaders) kicks the crap out of them and they end up with 4 losses anyway and some spare bowl game......and many of them feel that even with Bo gone it will be hard to land a quality coach that can get them back to close to where they used to be and their recruiting sucks now as well with limited access to Texas

and if ND wanted to be in the Big 10 they would already be in the Big 10 not the ACC and there is not a chance in hell that ND would leave their current deal in the ACC to be in a silly POD with former Big East teams like BC, UConn, Syracuse and Rutgers especially when ND could have been in the Big East with them back when they told the Big East they wanted to do their own thing in football and park their other sports in the Big East which was a worse deal than the ACC has with them now

again that would probably be the discussion that Joe at OU would have with Patterson at Texas after he talked to Nebraska about a conference is hey lets the two of us call ND and see what they might want to do

there is ZERO benefit to 20 team conferences they are just stupid and the logistics of managing them from an athletics department standpoint is just stupid and the appeal from a fan stand point is beyond stupid

these types of proposals always seem to come from fans with little long term history or tradition for their teams and they don't seem to realize that SEC fans and Big 10 fans ect have rituals that go with playing other teams and they know where they will stay, eat, tailgate, drink, park and on and on because they either go there every other year or every 4-6 years

when you go to a place every 14-18 years well hell they have knocked down 5 hotels since then, the hotel you loved is a crack house now, the restaurants you ate at are closed and where you used to tailgate is a building or a parking garage it is like going to a random away OOC game except people generally go to random OOC away games with a lot of planning and often for a reason other than just the game and when you make "conference games" into that type of planning nightmare for the athletics department and the fans well they plan to stay home and watch on TV......as is happening more and more already because the time and effort of where to stay and what to do is just no longer worth it

will never happen

Why not just have one conference with 72 teams and be done with it?

I agree that 20-team conferences make no sense. Beyond 12 teams, conferences start to get a little unwieldy. I would say 16 is the limit. With 128 teams in the FBS, it would be awesome if it could be aligned into 8 16-team conferences. But unless the Big 12 disbands, there will never be enough quality programs for the power conferences to add.

No thanks

If the B1G expands they'll want large markets, growing demographics, AAU membership (fantastic graduate research) and a solid name brand (at least in their home state). Just my humble opinion but any state presently containing a B1G school is invalid unless their initials are ND. If I was a gambling man and the B1G had to expand by 6... I could see the following: Virginia, Carolina, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Texas, Oklahoma. If we could get rid of some dead weight (Purdue and Northwestern) I could then see Kansas and UConn to strengthen NYC and KC. A couple of non AAUs in there Oklahoma and UConn but I think they are viable based on the strength of other factors.
The funny thing is that think that at the present moment with the ACC and BigXII locked up with grant of rights the most likely team to join the B1G is UConn especially if Northwestern Unionizes and the athletic department decides to deemphasize athletics. UConn fits in with the mission of the B1G making itself relevant in the Boston to NoVA corridor, has tons of state support and has no in state competition from professional franchises that tend to weaken college loyalty . Other than UConn with an outside shot at the B1G I dont see realignment happening until this round of TV contracts are almost up.

If you want a fantasy that would truly shake things up, the B1G could invite 10 schools from the SEC when their TV contract comes up. One legal conference for the purposes of contracts, but 2 12 team conferences for NCAA purposes:
Big 10 West
Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, NW, Purdue
Big 10 East
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St., Ohio St., Penn St., Rutgers
SEC East
Maryland, Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Florida
SEC West
Nebraska, Missouri, LSU, Texas A&M, Alabama, Auburn

Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi St. and South Carolina from smaller states (and 2 from the 1989 expansion) get left behind. Alternatively, newbie Missouri gets the shaft and Ole Miss stays, but B1G would probably go with bigger state and AAU status. Vanderbilt's academic heft and the need for a relatively easy win would keep them in.

The $ value for their TV contract would probably be far ahead of anyone else. They could do an 8 game schedule (5 division, 3 cross division) in "conference" with 2 games vs. the other "conference."

(11-26-2014 12:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That will never happen. The Big Ten wants to get in the south. Schools like UNC and Duke will never align themselves with the SEC because of academics.

This.

If all teams in the B12 and ACC were available, the B1G would be after Texas, Oklahoma, UNC, Duke, Florida State, UVA and GTech with Texas being the primary target.

(11-26-2014 07:59 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 12:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That will never happen. The Big Ten wants to get in the south. Schools like UNC and Duke will never align themselves with the SEC because of academics.

This.

If all teams in the B12 and ACC were available, the B1G would be after Texas, Oklahoma, UNC, Duke, Florida State, UVA and GTech with Texas being the primary target.

Oklahoma's academics are lower than those of Nebraska (who currently is the tail dragger in the Big 10). Florida State's standing is even worse when considering more than the worst rating service. I don't see it ever. The only way the Big 10 takes Oklahoma is if there is no breakup of the ACC and they need them to land Texas or Kansas, or both along with Rice.

The gist of this fantasy is that that (a) the move is to 20 schools for the Big 10 and SEC. And, (b) all of the Big 12 and ACC are available. Throw conference dynamics into the mix and culture and you are more likely to see something like this emerge:

The Big 10 takes Duke to get North Carolina, Virginia, and Syracuse (non AAU but close enough to get back in with some effort), one of Boston College and Pitt, and because the lacrosse playing ACC beltway publics are in with the research triangle and Syracuse, Notre Dame white knuckles it and applies to the Big 10. Besides where else can they go?

The SEC adds Virginia Tech, N.C. State (for the markets), Clemson and Florida State (Clemson pays their own way but that's it, F.S.U. adds to the bottom line, but both schools fit the SEC demographic better than any schools outside of Texas and Oklahoma). Georgia Tech decides to renew old ties with the SEC and are taken for the most part to keep the South solid and to add to academics. The question then is do we take Louisville, Miami, Baylor, or West Virginia to round out to 20? Louisville makes the most money athletically, Miami has the best academics, West Virginia is strong monetarily and gives another presence near the beltway, and Baylor brings good academics and a breadth of men's and women's sports while adding more presence in Texas which might be needed because.........

If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 the PAC will as well:
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U. (no longer religiously based) and Texas Tech all move to the new PAC 20 and get to break into the two eastern most divisions of the PAC and most importantly continue to play one another which is what Texas and OU want most outside of keeping the Big 12.

Big 10 becomes this:

Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Virginia

Boston College/Pitt, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue,

Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

The SEC becomes this:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas A&M,

Kentucky, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, West Virginia/Louisville

Out are most likely Pittsburgh/B.C. loser for the Big 10 slot, Baylor, Wake Forest, Miami, and the West Virginia/Louisville loser for the SEC slot.

It would boil down the field by 5 more which would not be popular, leave some worthy schools out, but it would yield 3 nicely balanced conferences geographically, culturally, and perhaps even more so competitively in most sports.

For the Connecticut's, Cincinnati's, Boise's, E.C.U.'s, South Florida's, Central Florida's and B.Y.U.'s it would be catastrophic.

I find it ironic that the subject was sponsored by an E.C.U. fan as Big 12 expansion would likely create a scenario that would no longer lend itself to speculation for consolidation beyond a P5. And given time the three P5 conferences with 14 schools might like the niche markets and ease of scheduling that 16 would give them. Then those listed as locked out above would be the viable candidates to get to 16 for some of these conferences.

BTW the PAC would now look like this:

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, California Los Angeles, Southern California

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Colorado, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech, Utah

******************************************************************

Notes: IMO this is the only kind of scenario that could take and place enough schools to dissolve both the ACC & Big 12 conferences. Other than that it would not be the most profitable model. The most profitable and equitable model would be for the parsing of the ACC and the building of a stronger Big 12 out of its members. In that model the Big 10 might take Duke and Syracuse, the SEC Virginia and North Carolina, and the Big 12 would expand to 16 out of the rest: Clemson, N.C. State, Louisville, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech. But even then that's not enough to effectively dissolve the ACC. The Big 12 would have to lose Texas Tech and T.C.U. to the PAC and add Pittsburgh and Miami to that list to get it done. That would be too many moving parts to be practical and the PAC might not want just Texas Tech and T.C.U..

(11-27-2014 06:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 07:59 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 12:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That will never happen. The Big Ten wants to get in the south. Schools like UNC and Duke will never align themselves with the SEC because of academics.

This.

If all teams in the B12 and ACC were available, the B1G would be after Texas, Oklahoma, UNC, Duke, Florida State, UVA and GTech with Texas being the primary target.

Oklahoma's academics are lower than those of Nebraska (who currently is the tail dragger in the Big 10). Florida State's standing is even worse when considering more than the worst rating service. I don't see it ever. The only way the Big 10 takes Oklahoma is if there is no breakup of the ACC and they need them to land Texas or Kansas, or both along with Rice.

The gist of this fantasy is that that (a) the move is to 20 schools for the Big 10 and SEC. And, (b) all of the Big 12 and ACC are available. Throw conference dynamics into the mix and culture and you are more likely to see something like this emerge:

The Big 10 takes Duke to get North Carolina, Virginia, and Syracuse (non AAU but close enough to get back in with some effort), one of Boston College and Pitt, and because the lacrosse playing ACC beltway publics are in with the research triangle and Syracuse, Notre Dame white knuckles it and applies to the Big 10. Besides where else can they go?

The SEC adds Virginia Tech, N.C. State (for the markets), Clemson and Florida State (Clemson pays their own way but that's it, F.S.U. adds to the bottom line, but both schools fit the SEC demographic better than any schools outside of Texas and Oklahoma). Georgia Tech decides to renew old ties with the SEC and are taken for the most part to keep the South solid and to add to academics. The question then is do we take Louisville, Miami, Baylor, or West Virginia to round out to 20? Louisville makes the most money athletically, Miami has the best academics, West Virginia is strong monetarily and gives another presence near the beltway, and Baylor brings good academics and a breadth of men's and women's sports while adding more presence in Texas which might be needed because.........

If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 the PAC will as well:
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U. (no longer religiously based) and Texas Tech all move to the new PAC 20 and get to break into the two eastern most divisions of the PAC and most importantly continue to play one another which is what Texas and OU want most outside of keeping the Big 12.

Big 10 becomes this:

Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Virginia

Boston College/Pitt, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue,

Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

The SEC becomes this:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas A&M,

Kentucky, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, West Virginia/Louisville

Out are most likely Pittsburgh/B.C. loser for the Big 10 slot, Baylor, Wake Forest, Miami, and the West Virginia/Louisville loser for the SEC slot.

It would boil down the field by 5 more which would not be popular, leave some worthy schools out, but it would yield 3 nicely balanced conferences geographically, culturally, and perhaps even more so competitively in most sports.

For the Connecticut's, Cincinnati's, Boise's, E.C.U.'s, South Florida's, Central Florida's and B.Y.U.'s it would be catastrophic.

I find it ironic that the subject was sponsored by an E.C.U. fan as Big 12 expansion would likely create a scenario that would no longer lend itself to speculation for consolidation beyond a P5. And given time the three P5 conferences with 14 schools might like the niche markets and ease of scheduling that 16 would give them. Then those listed as locked out above would be the viable candidates to get to 16 for some of these conferences.

BTW the PAC would now look like this:

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, California Los Angeles, Southern California

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Colorado, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech, Utah

******************************************************************

Notes: IMO this is the only kind of scenario that could take and place enough schools to dissolve both the ACC & Big 12 conferences.

Other than that it would not be the most profitable model.

The most profitable and equitable model would be for the parsing of the ACC and the building of a stronger Big 12 out of its members.

In that model the Big 10 might take Duke and Syracuse, the SEC Virginia and North Carolina, and the Big 12 would expand to 16 out of the rest: Clemson, N.C. State, Louisville, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech. But even then that's not enough to effectively dissolve the ACC. The Big 12 would have to lose Texas Tech and T.C.U. to the PAC and add Pittsburgh and Miami to that list to get it done.

That would be too many moving parts to be practical and the PAC might not want just Texas Tech and T.C.U..

Incorrect.
Incorrect.
Possible, but very unlikely.
Correct.

(11-26-2014 12:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That will never happen. The Big Ten wants to get in the south. Schools like UNC and Duke will never align themselves with the SEC because of academics.

and considering the high level of cheating UNC has been exposed with that fact alone is HILARIOUS...and bad comedy at the same time.

(11-27-2014 10:12 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(11-27-2014 06:55 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 07:59 PM)AntiG Wrote:  

(11-26-2014 12:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  That will never happen. The Big Ten wants to get in the south. Schools like UNC and Duke will never align themselves with the SEC because of academics.

This.

If all teams in the B12 and ACC were available, the B1G would be after Texas, Oklahoma, UNC, Duke, Florida State, UVA and GTech with Texas being the primary target.

Oklahoma's academics are lower than those of Nebraska (who currently is the tail dragger in the Big 10). Florida State's standing is even worse when considering more than the worst rating service. I don't see it ever. The only way the Big 10 takes Oklahoma is if there is no breakup of the ACC and they need them to land Texas or Kansas, or both along with Rice.

The gist of this fantasy is that that (a) the move is to 20 schools for the Big 10 and SEC. And, (b) all of the Big 12 and ACC are available. Throw conference dynamics into the mix and culture and you are more likely to see something like this emerge:

The Big 10 takes Duke to get North Carolina, Virginia, and Syracuse (non AAU but close enough to get back in with some effort), one of Boston College and Pitt, and because the lacrosse playing ACC beltway publics are in with the research triangle and Syracuse, Notre Dame white knuckles it and applies to the Big 10. Besides where else can they go?

The SEC adds Virginia Tech, N.C. State (for the markets), Clemson and Florida State (Clemson pays their own way but that's it, F.S.U. adds to the bottom line, but both schools fit the SEC demographic better than any schools outside of Texas and Oklahoma). Georgia Tech decides to renew old ties with the SEC and are taken for the most part to keep the South solid and to add to academics. The question then is do we take Louisville, Miami, Baylor, or West Virginia to round out to 20? Louisville makes the most money athletically, Miami has the best academics, West Virginia is strong monetarily and gives another presence near the beltway, and Baylor brings good academics and a breadth of men's and women's sports while adding more presence in Texas which might be needed because.........

If the Big 10 and SEC move to 20 the PAC will as well:
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, T.C.U. (no longer religiously based) and Texas Tech all move to the new PAC 20 and get to break into the two eastern most divisions of the PAC and most importantly continue to play one another which is what Texas and OU want most outside of keeping the Big 12.

Big 10 becomes this:

Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Virginia

Boston College/Pitt, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue,

Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

The SEC becomes this:

Auburn, Clemson, Florida, Georgia, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee

Arkansas, Louisiana State, Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas A&M,

Kentucky, N.C. State, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, West Virginia/Louisville

Out are most likely Pittsburgh/B.C. loser for the Big 10 slot, Baylor, Wake Forest, Miami, and the West Virginia/Louisville loser for the SEC slot.

It would boil down the field by 5 more which would not be popular, leave some worthy schools out, but it would yield 3 nicely balanced conferences geographically, culturally, and perhaps even more so competitively in most sports.

For the Connecticut's, Cincinnati's, Boise's, E.C.U.'s, South Florida's, Central Florida's and B.Y.U.'s it would be catastrophic.

I find it ironic that the subject was sponsored by an E.C.U. fan as Big 12 expansion would likely create a scenario that would no longer lend itself to speculation for consolidation beyond a P5. And given time the three P5 conferences with 14 schools might like the niche markets and ease of scheduling that 16 would give them. Then those listed as locked out above would be the viable candidates to get to 16 for some of these conferences.

BTW the PAC would now look like this:

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, California Los Angeles, Southern California

Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

Colorado, Texas, T.C.U., Texas Tech, Utah

******************************************************************

Notes: IMO this is the only kind of scenario that could take and place enough schools to dissolve both the ACC & Big 12 conferences.

Other than that it would not be the most profitable model.

The most profitable and equitable model would be for the parsing of the ACC and the building of a stronger Big 12 out of its members.

In that model the Big 10 might take Duke and Syracuse, the SEC Virginia and North Carolina, and the Big 12 would expand to 16 out of the rest: Clemson, N.C. State, Louisville, Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech. But even then that's not enough to effectively dissolve the ACC. The Big 12 would have to lose Texas Tech and T.C.U. to the PAC and add Pittsburgh and Miami to that list to get it done.

That would be too many moving parts to be practical and the PAC might not want just Texas Tech and T.C.U..

Incorrect.
Incorrect.
Possible, but very unlikely.
Correct.

Okay Lurker, we haven't exchanged ideas in a while. So, how else do you think the 8 required Big 12 and 12 required ACC schools could be taken to accomplish this? Why would it be more profitable to take 20 schools? (I know some ways to make it more profitable and tend to agree with you here if we are in the same vein of thought.) And I didn't want to make the final part more complicated but if the PAC would take T.C.U., Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State then everyone in the ACC could be accommodated in the new Big 12.

But I genuinely would like to hear your ideas about this. I do still believe that a P3 is possibly the only model that can bring relative balance to the realignment spectrum without leaving one of the surviving conferences too weak to be successful against the other two.

(11-26-2014 12:09 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  The SEC could take over the Southern States by raiding the Big XII and the ACC and the B1G could take over the Mid-West and Northeast by also raiding the Big 12 and ACC.

So what would the conferences look like if this happened:
The SEC takes Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke from the ACC and Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State from the Big 12. Giving them 20 schools.
The B1G takes Boston College and Syracuse from the ACC and UCONN from the AAC. Then to take over the Mid-West they add Kansas and Iowa State. With the ACC lose of UNC, UVA, Duke, BC, CUSE, the B1G is able to attract Notre Dame to get to 20 schools.
The PAC-12 also looks to go to 20 schools. They add Big 12 left overs Texas Tech and Kansas State but pass on the private Christian schools of TCU and Baylor. They then add Houston from the AAC for another Texas school and finally raid the Mountain West for New Mexico, Colorado State, Boise State, San Diego State, and Fresno State. Giving the PAC-12 twenty teams and becoming the PAC-20.

The Big 12 left overs Baylor,TCU, and West Virginia look for new conferences. Baylor and TCU come up with an old idea of forming a southern ivy league called the Magnolia League. They invite Rice, SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, Miami, and Wake Forest as full members. Everyone excepts except Miami who wants to stay with Florida State in the ACC not be categorize as just a private school league. With Miami staying in the ACC Wake Forest joins the Magnolia League for football only and joins the Big East for all other sports. With just six full members the Magnolia League offers an invite to BYU for full membership and they accept but only with being able to have Air Force with them as a full-member. With BYU and AF as full members the Magnolia League is able to get Navy and Army as football only members with their other sports staying in the Patriot League.

With the ACC down to Pitt, Virginia Tech, Louisville, NC State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, and Miami. The ACC looks to the American conference (who is down to Temple, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, UCF, and South Florida) to merge conferences with the addition of West Virginia under the ACC name and continue a strong East Coast Conference that can compete with the B1G and the SEC. The ACC then adds Southern Miss to get to 16 schools and have the four team division playoff that the SEC, B1G, and PAC-20 are going to for bigger pay days. These teams in the ACC have a lot of history together and many of them have been independent and playing each other for years before the Big East and C-USA were formed for football schools and back to the Metro days in basketball. The only schools not in that group are NC State, Clemson, and Georgia Tech who roots go back to teams who are in the SEC now.

All of this causes the MWC (down to SJSU, HAWAII, UNLV, NEV, WYO, and USU) to take the western schools of the Sun Belt and C-USA. The MWC adds Idaho, NMSU, UTEP, UTSA, North Texas, TX State, Louisiana, LA Tech, ULM, and Arkansas State and go to the 16 team conference with the four division play also.

The leftovers from C-USA and the Sun Belt merge into a new mid-major East Coast Conference under the C-USA name. They also add Liberty, James Madison, and Eastern Kentucky from FCS to get to 16 schools.

The MAC stays at 12! and UMASS drops back to FCS. Sorry UMASS.

Here is what the Conference look like after the chaos.



Biggest Winners:
1 SEC (Got Texas, Oklahoma, and North Carolina)
2 B1G (Got Kansas basketball, UCONN basketball, Northeastern schools, and of course the one and only Notre Dame)
3 Houston (Now in the PAC-20) andMountain West teams that got into the PAC
4 Idaho and New Mexico State now in western conference.
5 AAC Eastern schools, WVU, and USM all now in ACC with schools like Clemson and Florida State.
6 SMU, Rice, Tulsa, and Tulane now all in a conference with like minded schools.

Biggest Losers:
1 Florida State, Clemson, NC State, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech got left in the ACC when everyone else went to the SEC.
2 Baylor and TCU no longer in Major Texas based conference
3 Texas Tech and Kansas State no longer with in-state schools in Big XII have to travel west now. (Not terrible though Kansas State still has Colorado schools and Texas Tech can create good rivalries with UNM, ASU, and Arizona.
4 MWC schools that got left behind like Utah State, Wyoming, San Jose State by their in-state schools and now must play in much larger geography sized conference.
5 The Sun Belt (it no longer exists)
6 UMASS has to drop down

I'd rather drop athletics.

Why do people get such a hard on over realignment here? I get that the board is called "college sports and conference realignment" but I feel like the amount of actual football and basketball discussion is lacking?

Based on observations from my short time here, imo it's because there are a lot of fans of "little guy" schools here that are fantasizing about being in the SEC, ACC, B1G, Pac12 and Big12.

(11-28-2014 02:11 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  Why do people get such a hard on over realignment here? I get that the board is called "college sports and conference realignment" but I feel like the amount of actual football and basketball discussion is lacking?

Based on observations from my short time here, imo it's because there are a lot of fans of "little guy" schools here that are fantasizing about being in the SEC, ACC, B1G, Pac12 and Big12.

First off, there are several well-informed posters here who have reasoned debates about conference realignment. Unfortunately, there are many more who don't understand the factors at play when deciding to expand, so we get a lot of crap like this.

Secondly, yes, as a fan of a "little guy" as you put it, I do cling to any hope of escaping our current situation. It's frustrating knowing that my school does so much with so little while garbage programs skate by on major conference money and affiliation while doing little to put a competitive product on the field/court.

I like realign talk, but have no desire to take place in fantasy island nonsense.